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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:42:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

--Vic
Vic,
I hope you know that no one ever wins an newsgroup arguement. I used
this as a great boating discussion. Harry is the one who got so upset
and started calling everyone assholes. It reminds me of someone saying
a postal worker was kicking ass when he goes postal.

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On Aug 16, 9:07 am, HK wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2ly58h

These guys just don't get it...

Not only does their boat suffer from Little Lake Transom Syndrome, their
scuppers are under water* and, most dangerous of all, they have a
third-rate outdoor motor on the back end!

* Probably because the boat was not designed for a modern 225 that
weighs as much as these do.

I must be missing something, it's a Whaler right? So, who cares if the
transom is low cut, or that the scuppers are half underwater. It can't
sink. ;-)

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.

You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

Not to worry though, Harry has told us many times how experienced he
is and there's no reason to doubt it that I know of.

http://www.newsargus.com/news/archiv...escued_at_sea/



My comments on this transom thing is based on personal experience. I
swamped a small boat once, back in my teenaged years and it was on a fresh
water pond, flat as a pancake with no other influences on the boat other
than my stupid operation of it.

I was pulling a skier and she fell, but didn't immediately let go of the tow
line. I immediately made a hard turn, while pulling the throttle back. The
resultant wake wave hit the boat on the stern quarter and filled the boat
with well over a foot of water in a nanosecond. There was no way I could
move it with the engine without more water pouring over the open transom.
The engine then quit, the boat became extremely unstable, in danger of
flipping so I slid into the water. The skier and I then swam back to the
nearby shore, slowly pulling the swamped boat with us with the tow line.

When it happens on a small boat, it happens fast.

Eisboch

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:03:36 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

Do not confuse name calling and dancing around an important issue with
"kicking butt".

Harry's boating with Cleopatra: Right in d' Nile.

Whenever you see clouds of smoke there's fire somewhere.



The Cleo analogy would be more appropriate for you; you're the one with
the slow-moving floating RV barge. BTW, how long will that boat float
once you put a nice big hole in the bottom?

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:49:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:03:36 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.

You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

Do not confuse name calling and dancing around an important issue with
"kicking butt".

Harry's boating with Cleopatra: Right in d' Nile.

Whenever you see clouds of smoke there's fire somewhere.

Oh, I'm learning a bit about transom cutouts, following seas, ocean
drift fishing, crab pot entanglement, etc. That's good, but I've read
about many sinkings in countless accident reports.
Transom cutouts were never raised as the root cause of any accident
to the best of my recollection.
But some here decided to climb into the ring with Harry, wearing
transom cutout jock straps.
All I see is Harry tossing them over the ropes. Too funny.
Now I'm open-minded about it. When I first saw how close to the water
that Parker cutout is, it raised my inexperienced eyebrows.
I have almost swamped low transom boats when backing in lakes, but
have zilch experience with small boats in "heavy" seas.
I thought Harry's answers about it were well-reasoned, and Tom didn't
see it as a safety issue either. My impression is that Tom and Harry
have extensive experience with and knowledge about this type of boat,
and the waters it's suitable for.
You posted a link to where some kids got in trouble and sank grand
dad's boat. I didn't see anything in that article about the transom,
the real cause of the sinking, or what model boat it was. From the
story, the kid might have just failed to put in the drain plug.
I did see that the kid attempted to get it moving to self-bail.
Just guessing here, but from what Harry has said deep transom cutouts
may have made that attempt successful if the boat had one.
So who's blowing smoke?
Did the boat-sinking you posted a link to have anything to do with a
deep transom cutout?
Me, I'm just a curious spectator. Pass the popcorn.

--Vic

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:13:38 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:42:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

--Vic
Vic,
I hope you know that no one ever wins an newsgroup arguement. I used
this as a great boating discussion. Harry is the one who got so upset
and started calling everyone assholes. It reminds me of someone saying
a postal worker was kicking ass when he goes postal.

It's always been obvious to me that most *losers* don't know they've
lost a newsgroup argument, but it's in the eye of the beholder for
sure. I gave you this beholder's opinion.
And it's obvious to anybody who frequents this group that there are
posters who are here for one purpose - to climb into the ring with
Harry. If it leads to a good boating discussion, fine and dandy. But
they come here looking to brawl. This brawl does have some useful
boat info, and entertainment value. And sometimes Harry loses IMO,
but he hasn't so far in this fracas.
Postal worker? Harry reminds me more of Killer Kowalski than a
mailman.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:13:38 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:42:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

--Vic
Vic,
I hope you know that no one ever wins an newsgroup arguement. I used
this as a great boating discussion. Harry is the one who got so upset
and started calling everyone assholes. It reminds me of someone saying
a postal worker was kicking ass when he goes postal.

It's always been obvious to me that most *losers* don't know they've
lost a newsgroup argument, but it's in the eye of the beholder for
sure. I gave you this beholder's opinion.
And it's obvious to anybody who frequents this group that there are
posters who are here for one purpose - to climb into the ring with
Harry. If it leads to a good boating discussion, fine and dandy. But
they come here looking to brawl. This brawl does have some useful
boat info, and entertainment value. And sometimes Harry loses IMO,
but he hasn't so far in this fracas.
Postal worker? Harry reminds me more of Killer Kowalski than a
mailman.

--Vic



Oh, it wouldn't have mattered to the assholes here what new boat I
bought; they would have busied themselves looking for any scrap of crap
they could find to denigrate my decision. It's part of their losers' game.

I shopped around a bit before deciding on a Parker 2100CC. It was the
one that most closely met what I wanted in a new boat. The fact that the
fellow who many consider the very best fishing guide in these waters, a
guide you have to book six months in advance, uses a nearly identical
boat on these waters, didn't hurt. This is a factory-sponsored guide, a
fellow who doesn't have to pay for his boats, engines or gear.

I knew what I did not want: a new boat with a eurotransom or a bracket,
the former because it takes up too much room in a small boat, and the
later because it makes a small boat longer than I wanted it to be. I was
also concerned with the balance at rest of the new boat. Small boats
with brackets tend to be stern heavy.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:13:38 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:42:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

You might think that. I tend to think that Harry just enjoys kicking
ass. Pretty funny seeing him tossing around a ten-man tag team
by his lonesome.

--Vic
Vic,
I hope you know that no one ever wins an newsgroup arguement. I used
this as a great boating discussion. Harry is the one who got so upset
and started calling everyone assholes. It reminds me of someone saying
a postal worker was kicking ass when he goes postal.

It's always been obvious to me that most *losers* don't know they've
lost a newsgroup argument, but it's in the eye of the beholder for
sure. I gave you this beholder's opinion.
And it's obvious to anybody who frequents this group that there are
posters who are here for one purpose - to climb into the ring with
Harry. If it leads to a good boating discussion, fine and dandy. But
they come here looking to brawl. This brawl does have some useful
boat info, and entertainment value. And sometimes Harry loses IMO,
but he hasn't so far in this fracas.
Postal worker? Harry reminds me more of Killer Kowalski than a
mailman.

--Vic

Vic,
Harry knows everything about boating, so our comments are not directed
towards him. If you have been around long enough, you will see he
spends every weekend and weekday logged onto rec.boats. When he goes to
sell this boat in a few years, you will see it has very very few hours
on the engine meter. But if you also noticed, those regulars who
actually use their boats and boat in salt water, no of them, would have
picked a boat with an open transom. So this discussion of open transom
vs. brackets or engine well is really designed for those people who
don't know everything yet, but might be interested in buying a CC to
actually use.

I find any discussion that actually involves a boating topic to be far
superior to one that involves cut and pasting a political argument into
a boating NG, just so one can call other assholes. So in that respect,
I would have to say the NG is the winner, and there are no losers.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

Not to worry though, Harry has told us many times how experienced he
is and there's no reason to doubt it that I know of.

http://www.newsargus.com/news/archiv...escued_at_sea/



My comments on this transom thing is based on personal experience. I
swamped a small boat once, back in my teenaged years and it was on a fresh
water pond, flat as a pancake with no other influences on the boat other
than my stupid operation of it.

I was pulling a skier and she fell, but didn't immediately let go of the tow
line. I immediately made a hard turn, while pulling the throttle back. The
resultant wake wave hit the boat on the stern quarter and filled the boat
with well over a foot of water in a nanosecond. There was no way I could
move it with the engine without more water pouring over the open transom.
The engine then quit, the boat became extremely unstable, in danger of
flipping so I slid into the water. The skier and I then swam back to the
nearby shore, slowly pulling the swamped boat with us with the tow line.

When it happens on a small boat, it happens fast.

Eisboch


Yes, when I was about 10, I momentarily swamped an 8' plywood pram which
we had overloaded with a friend's 10 hp outboard. Boat would only plane
with a friend in the bow. Stopped the boat suddenly, wake came rushing
over the little stern. Lesson learned: when you come off plane in a
small boat, goose the accelerator a little to stay ahead of the oncoming
collapsing wake.

On the other hand, if you ram your 49' trawler onto one of the uncharted
underwater rocks around the Thimble Islands, guess what? You're probably
going to sink the boat. That 9' tall transom won't save you.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:14:17 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

LOL, Harry you sure seem to be hung up on this transom thing.
You noticed that also. Methinks he is a mite sensitive perhaps.

Not to worry though, Harry has told us many times how experienced he
is and there's no reason to doubt it that I know of.

http://www.newsargus.com/news/archiv...escued_at_sea/



My comments on this transom thing is based on personal experience. I
swamped a small boat once, back in my teenaged years and it was on a
fresh water pond, flat as a pancake with no other influences on the boat
other than my stupid operation of it.

I was pulling a skier and she fell, but didn't immediately let go of the
tow line. I immediately made a hard turn, while pulling the throttle
back. The resultant wake wave hit the boat on the stern quarter and
filled the boat with well over a foot of water in a nanosecond. There
was no way I could move it with the engine without more water pouring
over the open transom.
The engine then quit, the boat became extremely unstable, in danger of
flipping so I slid into the water. The skier and I then swam back to
the nearby shore, slowly pulling the swamped boat with us with the tow
line.

When it happens on a small boat, it happens fast.

Eisboch


Yes, when I was about 10, I momentarily swamped an 8' plywood pram which
we had overloaded with a friend's 10 hp outboard. Boat would only plane
with a friend in the bow. Stopped the boat suddenly, wake came rushing
over the little stern. Lesson learned: when you come off plane in a small
boat, goose the accelerator a little to stay ahead of the oncoming
collapsing wake.

On the other hand, if you ram your 49' trawler onto one of the uncharted
underwater rocks around the Thimble Islands, guess what? You're probably
going to sink the boat. That 9' tall transom won't save you.


Harry,
Read what Pasco says about boat sinkings.
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/sinking.htm Remedy the flaws that you can. Then
invest in the best life jacket and EPIRB you can afford.
Safe boating.


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