How to piss off the family...
 

So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

No, but what's the software for?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He called you an old-timer for still clinging to two-stroke technology?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


A. you got a job offer
2. you got tossed out

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

OK - I'll bite. You got up to leave, a la the car dealer dance, to see if
he'd chase you to the parking lot. Mrs. Wave stayed and bought the boat with
the motor recommended by the guy.

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NOYB wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He called you an old-timer for still clinging to two-stroke technology?





The day I got my Yamaha F225, I was "converted." There's nothing I find
appealing in the high-horsepower two strokes anymore. Size of the boat
isn't really relevant, because the boats I've been considering can swing
just about any weight outboard on the stern. I like the instant start,
the no-need to mix oil, the no smoke, the no oil in the water, the no
oil dripping somewhere in the boat, the car-like silence at idle, the no
loading up at idle, et ceterea.

My next boat likely will have a Yamaha F150 on the stern. There's no
sense having a 45-50 mph small boat on the Bay when most days the chop
is such that you are lucky to make 20-25 knots.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.


Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you while
laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow boat
approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)

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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.


Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you while
laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow boat
approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)




I dunno. Pontoon boats make more sense on most smaller lakes than 60'
bubble boats.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice comfy
chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes ruining the
atmosphere.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.


Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you
while laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow
boat approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)


I dunno. Pontoon boats make more sense on most smaller lakes than 60'
bubble boats.

Especially with young families... or in the case of most
here..grandchildren.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.


Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you
while laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow
boat approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)


I dunno. Pontoon boats make more sense on most smaller lakes than 60'
bubble boats.

Agreed..........but who mentioned 60 foot yachts?

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Let's see. If I'm the sales guy, I tell you that I like your style,
your forthright manner, and your imposing presence.
So for you, and just for you, I'm going to break the dealership's
rule and power you with an ETEC. Not only that, my source will cost
you less for the ETEC than your source.
Whattaya think of that, Mr Wave?
Am I a prince or not?

--Vic

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

Tell her to then hire Perry Como (if he is still alive) to sing to you
while laying comatose along the back seat. That would cap off the slow
boat approach on a pontoon boat. ;-)

I dunno. Pontoon boats make more sense on most smaller lakes than 60'
bubble boats.

Especially with young families... or in the case of most
here..grandchildren.



Lemming...

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm

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NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm





Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so
important on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm



I can see use for a 2 stroke... such as a smaller engine on a sailboat or
dinghy. I understand you can just lay the motor down in the bed of your
pickup.... or if you like to waterski of tube. They may be more powerful
for a given weight.
On a pontoon boat I'd want the smell of fresh air and as much quiet as
possible. If it was practical, an electric engine would be even better.

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm





Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack

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He magically, was able to power the boat to your specs!!

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

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Jack Goff wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?
He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal setup
for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so important
on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm




Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack

And everyone on shore says, "Look at that jackoff waterskiing behind
that pontoon boat..."

Hey, I'm not knocking pontoon boats. They're a lot of fun on calm lakes
and rivers and certainly more comfy for casual fishing than your typical
fishing boat.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Jack Goff wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this
computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?
He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal
setup for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so
important on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm




Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.

It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack

And everyone on shore says, "Look at that jackoff waterskiing behind that
pontoon boat..."

Hey, I'm not knocking pontoon boats. They're a lot of fun on calm lakes
and rivers and certainly more comfy for casual fishing than your typical
fishing boat.


Waterskiing behind a vessel that has a turning radius that covers half the
lake is a bad idea.

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NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Jack Goff wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:46:50 -0400, HK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
So my son has friends with poontoon boats and it would seem that Mrs.
Wave has an interest in this "slow boat" approach, so we went looking
today with intention to buy.

So we were talking to the sales guy and he's very helpful - up until
he mentionied power options.

I don't want a four stroke - no, no, no. I want two stroke. They
don't install two strokes on new boats.

Ok...well, let's explore another option. Just the boat - no rigging,
no engine and a trailer. I'll install my own engine, guages and
controls.

So the sales guy asks - what kind of engine to which I reply that I
have a source of ETECs and I can have an engine, gages and controls
here by Thursday, rig it myself (I have the software on this
computer)
and be on the water by Friday.

Anybody want to guess what happened next?
He whuped you upside the head? I would think this would be the ideal
setup for 4 strokes.....
After all, it's like a floating deck. Who wants to recline in a nice
comfy chaise trying to listen to nature with noisy, smelly 2 strokes
ruining the atmosphere.
But those E-tecs have that neck-snapping acceleration which is so
important on a pontoon boat.

/sarcasm



Just what I want on my boat...neck-snapping acceleration. So I can...
Hmmmm. You know, I'm not sure it matters if it takes four, five, six or
seven seconds for my boat to get up on plane. I guess if I boated on an
itty-bitty lake, acceleration would matter. After all, you can get from
one side to the other faster.
It matters if you want to ski, and especially slalom ski, behind your
pontoon boat.

I slalom ski behind my Bennington 25' Tri-toon with a 150hp Johnson.
Your seven-second planing boat doesn't interest me. Maybe when I get
older, I'll change my tune.

Jack
And everyone on shore says, "Look at that jackoff waterskiing behind that
pontoon boat..."

Hey, I'm not knocking pontoon boats. They're a lot of fun on calm lakes
and rivers and certainly more comfy for casual fishing than your typical
fishing boat.


Waterskiing behind a vessel that has a turning radius that covers half the
lake is a bad idea.




Hey...he's a jackoff...what do you expect?

I waterskied behind a Viking sportfish once. And only once. The wake was
great, but the fumes made me a bit ill.

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:38:17 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Waterskiing behind a vessel that has a turning radius that covers half the
lake is a bad idea.



Why?

The lake is large, the turns don't have to be tight, it's not crowded
when we ski, and the boat actually has a decent turning radius.

This is not your dad's pontoon. :-)

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:45:53 -0400, HK wrote:


Hey...he's a jackoff...what do you expect?

Oh, harry's becoming infatuated with me. Keep it up, and I'll dump
you in my bozo bin. And I really have one.

I waterskied behind a Viking sportfish once. And only once. The wake was
great, but the fumes made me a bit ill.

You? Waterski? Must have been a coal-burning, steam powered boat.
Internal combustion hadn't been invented yet when you were still that
young.

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"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:38:17 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Waterskiing behind a vessel that has a turning radius that covers half the
lake is a bad idea.



Why?

The lake is large, the turns don't have to be tight, it's not crowded
when we ski, and the boat actually has a decent turning radius.

This is not your dad's pontoon. :-)

My dad has two Boston Whalers and a Formula. He wouldn't be caught dead in a
pontoon. ;-)

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On Jul 17, 2:15?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

It depends on how sharp a deal you drove on the boat itself.
If it's a model in short supply, he could have let you walk.
When you bring in your own engine and do your own rigging that isn't
very attractive to the dealership. No profit from the sale of the
engine, no $100/hour labor charge to have a $12/hour apprentice mount
the engine, no brownie points with the outboard manufacturer that the
dealership is normally affiliated with, no opportunity to pitch you on
the wonderful benefits of an extended engine warranty, etc.

If I were selling somebody a new boat with a warranty, I'd be
particularly leary of a deal in which the customer were doing his own
rigging. The customer's installation and the boat itself interface in
so many ways that the odds of heated discussions over whether some
unsatisfactory aspect of performance, etc, was due to a defective hull
vs. defective rigging are pertty high.

Then there's the unintended negative publicity in the many inevitable
conversations that will go something like this;

"Hey, Tom! Nice looking pontoon boat. But when did Wholly Smoke Marine
start rigging those two-stroke Torquemaster outboards? I thought they
used four-stroke Edselizers instead?"

"They do, but I think those Edselizers are a real POS. I wouldn't own
a boat rigged with an Edselizer. The guys at Wholly Smoke were pretty
embarrassed about having to send a truck over to their competitor's to
pay retail for a new Torquemaster; but I wasn't going to let them jam
one of those Edselizers down my throat, no way!"

******

It wouldn't be impossible for your transaction to wind up with,

"Mr & Mrs Wave, we don't just sell boats here at Wholly Smoke- we want
to get you happily involved in a totally satisfactory experience.
Based upon scores of previous sales of this model, we are convinced
that our most satisfied customers have all selected one of our
recommended engines. I would urge you to do the same. Your
satisfaction is so important to us that we would, (very very
reluctantly),
rather lose your business to a competitor than equip you with a
package that our extensive experience with this product indicates
would be less than optimally matched to the hull. If you *were*
choosing one of our recommended engines, which one would it be?"

That's shorthand, of course, for "we need the profit from the engine,
rigging, and potential f&i revenue for the deal to make any sense to
us", but it's a little easier to send and receive. :-)

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On Jul 17, 5:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Anybody want to guess what happened next?

You decided that if you are gonna' go that slow, you might as well
have a big fat skiff;)

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:05:00 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:38:17 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Waterskiing behind a vessel that has a turning radius that covers half the
lake is a bad idea.



Why?

The lake is large, the turns don't have to be tight, it's not crowded
when we ski, and the boat actually has a decent turning radius.

This is not your dad's pontoon. :-)

My dad has two Boston Whalers and a Formula. He wouldn't be caught dead in a
pontoon. ;-)


Why, is he insecure? ;-)

Seriously, since we boat on a large lake, a pontoon is the ideal boat
for us.

It's a 25ft tri-toon with a 150hp on it. It will do 35mph, has a far
better ride than any fiberglass boat, more room than anything in it's
size, we can leave it in the water year-round in its slip without any
bottom coating expense and worries so we don't have to trailer it, and
we can tube and ski on it. It has a changing room with a porta-pottie
in it for when the weather gets chilly (for my wife).

About every 6 months we have the same discussion... should we get a
different boat? After weighing the options, it always comes back
around to the same thing... nothing else has all the advantages
without bringing along some significant downsides.

And I have no self-image issues. :-)

How to piss off the family...
 

On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Anybody want to guess what happened next?


We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

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Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?


We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......



Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

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On Jul 19, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

Or white coated to the nearest asylum....

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On Jul 19, 8:30 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

Or white coated to the nearest asylum....

How's the fishing there Tom?

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:35:48 -0000,
wrote:

On Jul 19, 8:30 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 19, 6:41 pm, HK wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

We're eagerly waiting for the punch line.......

Apparently Tom was arrested and carted off to jail... :}

Or white coated to the nearest asylum....

How's the fishing there Tom?

Wasn't too bad. We went with one of the top guides for Lake Murray -
only caught four fish, one a real nice striper, but I learned a lot
about the general eco system and the bottom topography on Lake Murray
is something else. I've never seen structure like that - pretty
interesting.

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


Sounds like you prefer to reward salespeople who take the time to have the
proper amount of product knowledge. If you keep widening the mileage circle
and find you're now looking 400 miles away, call Marshall Seagar or Art
Benham at Seagar Marine, in Canandaigua NY. 585-394-1372 These guys know
their stuff. Sure, you'll have to haul the thing a long way home, but you're
just crazy enough to do something like that.

Before you leave with it, I'll put you on some nice lake trout & walleye.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.
The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.
The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:15:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Anybody want to guess what happened next?

Well, the short of it was that the sales dude launched into this whole
thing about ETEC and how they were always blowing up.

At which point I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
and politely told him that (1) now they don't and (2) I've owned three
of them, two on one boat and that boat now has about 1800 hours on the
engines and the current owner loves them and (3) suggested that before
he shot his mouth off about something, it might be smarter to figure
out who the hell he was taking to and (4) I wouldn't buy a boat from
him if my life depended on it which meant that he blew a sweet cash
deal as I wouldn't have haggled about price.

What made things worse was that the other marina/boat shop that had
pontoons similar, the sales girl was dumb as a box of rocks and when
the more experienced sales guy came out to rescue her from my,
um...somewhat detailed questions, I said thanks, but no thanks and out
the door.

So the family is po'd. So Jack Goff suggested a place to look today
and my reputation might be burnished a little if they have what I'm
looking for.

So that's it. Funny comments everyone - you folks are real comedians.


So now we *do* have a sense of humour?

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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)


Setting with the reel????

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On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it;)

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer;) So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.