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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

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On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it;)

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer;) So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.



This would probably help break those bad fishing habits, and your kids would
have a ball, pushing the shock button to "help" you:

http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/sto...Search&feat=sr

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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are experiencing
with Google Groups.

How to piss off the family...
 

I use GoogleGroups too, and was having the same problem. it seems to
be working "ok" for the while, but it's still iffy..


D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are experiencing
with Google Groups.

How to piss off the family...
 

Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


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On Jul 20, 9:44 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I am
working on it;)

Setting with the reel????

I have a couple of pretty frustrating habits. One is spinning the
handle on the reel instead of jerking the pole to set hooks, of course
I lose a lot of fish that way. Sounds funny, but I have been working
on it almost every day for weeks now and it is a hard habit to break.
Another one is pointing the rod directly at the 3-4 pound bass right
before the captain gets to land it;)

See, I have never really been serious about my fishing even though I
go a lot. A slow troll with some headphones, something to relax with,
my dog, and a guitar at dusk is great fishing for me, if the kids are
swimming off the other side of the boat, that's even better. Other
than that, similar with live bait just drifting or anchored. This
whole, hold the pole, cast, reel, cast, reel, twitch, reel... don't
leave much time for daydreaming, looking at clouds, or mangeling
Dylan, Creedence, and Arlo. I have some buds that are more serious
fishermen, but they bring me along anyway. I add to the catch limit
of the boat so they can stay out longer;) So I guess it's a matter of
what you call fishing. I mean, if it requires work and catching fish,
yeah, I suck...

But anyway, I have decided after 45 years of silly fishing, it is time
to take it more seriously. I have the boat, equipment, desire, and
have found a few nice local spots. Still be days like today to just
float and play, but anytime you can get on the water with the family
is cool.

How to piss off the family...
 

"Tim" wrote in message
ups.com...


I use GoogleGroups too, and was having the same problem. it seems to
be working "ok" for the while, but it's still iffy..


D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 9:48 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Sometimes you pay for a guide for the lessons, sometimes for the
fish.

This time it was information and I took the max advantage of it.-

Point taken. I have been out every day save one since you left,
practicing. Still setting with the reel, hard habit to bust, but I
am
working on it;)

What do you mean by setting with the reel?

I just spent half hour on this and my message just dissappeared as
have 80% of my posts the last few days, something must be wrong with
Google, It tells me my post is completed, but it never shows up, gotta
go, get back to this later, hope this one makes it.

If you don't want to pay a few bux a month for a decent news server, do a
Google search on "free Usenet servers" and you'll come up with lots of
them.
I have never used one but I've read reports in the past that there are
good
free servers to be had.

It seems like most anything would be better that what you are
experiencing
with Google Groups.


Try aloe.org I used it when Earthlink was having major problems.

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:18:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

Read on MacDuff.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.

Well, I could agrue the point, but it's minor techicalities so I'll
let that pass.

The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.

Spread over six cylinders instead of four.

The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

Well, I've seen Yamaha's weighed at a shop and they pretty much
understate their weight. I don't know if they include things like
oil, filters and such like that so I can't argue the point other than
what I've seen with my lying eyes. :)

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

Flat out, my ETEC will out accelerate most engines, but that's not a
significant factor to me - I could really care less about it.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

Interesting you should say that.

I was out on Lake Murray with a Yamaha 200 four stroke and in a
similar boat - the distance from me to the engine was about the same
as it was in the Ranger.

The Yamaha was louder at idle and at cruise than the ETEC. I can
stand at my helm and talk normally to passengers - with the Yamaha you
had to really listen to make conversation. You could converse fairly
normally, but quieter than ETEC - not to me.

That's subjective though. I wish I could do some comparisons some
time with the appropriate equipment just to be sure.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

Side-by-side, same boat, one a four stroke and one an ETEC - my 2000
Ranger vs 2001 Ranger 200C, we both repowered in the same year, I
repowered one month earlier.

I win hands down by 50%. My boat averages between 3.5 and 4.7 GPH
depending on the kind of running conditions I encounter. We both run
in similar waters and operate the boats almost identically. He gets
out a little more than I do because he's in RI, but them's the facts.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

I don't have to change oil every how many hours or have a yearly plug
change or have a yearly gear oil change.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

All depends on how you look at it. I burn a synthetic, XD-100, but I
still haven't gone through a gallon of it yet - I'm about ready to
refill it - total cost to me, $31.

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

True enough.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:18:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Honestly, Tom, I really do not understand your "affinity" for these two
stroke outboards.

Read on MacDuff.

I just looked over the "specs" for the F150 Yamaha (four stroke) and the
competing ETEC 150.

The ETEC is a V-6, the Yamaha an inline four. No particular advantage.

Well, I could agrue the point, but it's minor techicalities so I'll
let that pass.

The ETEC displaces 2589 cc, the Yamaha 2670. No particular advantage.

Spread over six cylinders instead of four.

The ETEC weighs 427 pounds, the Yamaha 466. No particular advantage.
Interestingly, the ETEC site says the Yamaha weighs 504 pounds. B.S.

Well, I've seen Yamaha's weighed at a shop and they pretty much
understate their weight. I don't know if they include things like
oil, filters and such like that so I can't argue the point other than
what I've seen with my lying eyes. :)

The ETEC "might" outaccelerate the Yamaha. Maybe. No head to head
comparisons that I saw.

Flat out, my ETEC will out accelerate most engines, but that's not a
significant factor to me - I could really care less about it.

I'd bet the Yamaha is quieter than the the ETEC at trolling and idle
speeds. Important to me. It's probably quieter at cruise speeds, too.

Interesting you should say that.

I was out on Lake Murray with a Yamaha 200 four stroke and in a
similar boat - the distance from me to the engine was about the same
as it was in the Ranger.

The Yamaha was louder at idle and at cruise than the ETEC. I can
stand at my helm and talk normally to passengers - with the Yamaha you
had to really listen to make conversation. You could converse fairly
normally, but quieter than ETEC - not to me.

That's subjective though. I wish I could do some comparisons some
time with the appropriate equipment just to be sure.

I'd bet a genuine comparison would show little difference in fuel burn.

Side-by-side, same boat, one a four stroke and one an ETEC - my 2000
Ranger vs 2001 Ranger 200C, we both repowered in the same year, I
repowered one month earlier.

I win hands down by 50%. My boat averages between 3.5 and 4.7 GPH
depending on the kind of running conditions I encounter. We both run
in similar waters and operate the boats almost identically. He gets
out a little more than I do because he's in RI, but them's the facts.

No need to mix oil in the Yamaha's fuel. Advantage: Yamaha.

I don't have to change oil every how many hours or have a yearly plug
change or have a yearly gear oil change.

The Yamaha uses regular SAE multiweight motor oil. Advantage: Yamaha

All depends on how you look at it. I burn a synthetic, XD-100, but I
still haven't gone through a gallon of it yet - I'm about ready to
refill it - total cost to me, $31.

Both engines are a plumber's nightmare to work upon. Sadly.

True enough.


It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

The oil change on the Yamaha 150 is actually easier than on a car. The
gear oil change is a no brainer, as you know. I only change out the
plugs at season's end and at recommissioning so as to not fog my
"working" plugs. I take the working plugs out, wipe them off and put
them in a baggy. Then I put in the "fogging" plugs. In the spring, I
pull the fogging plugs and put in the working plugs. I say I, but the
reality it, the dealer does this for me.

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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the hook
and much easier on the fish.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:29:47 -0400, HK wrote:

It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

I get to ride in a lot of them with friends and when doing on-water
training - which, admittedly I don't do much of any more, so I've seen
a lot of 'em.

The one that surprised me was the Verado - that is quite the engine.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".


Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

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D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.




I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.

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HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove
the hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.



I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.


Sure you did. Did Dr. Dr. Krause accompany you?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:29:47 -0400, HK wrote:

It's impossible for me to give an up close and personal opinion on any
of the etecs because I have never seen or heard one on a boat. We seem
to have two kinds of outboards on the fishing boats around here...newer
four strokers from Yamaha, Honda, or Suzuki, or old technology two
strokers from Mercury and Yamaha and occasionally Evinrude and Johnson.

I get to ride in a lot of them with friends and when doing on-water
training - which, admittedly I don't do much of any more, so I've seen
a lot of 'em.

The one that surprised me was the Verado - that is quite the engine.


Haven't seen a Verado on the water, either. As I said, most of the boats
around here are running Yamahas, Hondas or Suzukis, and most of those
are four strokes.

My Honda four cycle lawnmower ****ed me off this morning. Apparently the
fuel system coughed up some crud, which I suspect is clogging the carb
jet. RPMs rise and fall all on their own. Grrrrrrr. Fortunately, these
little gas engines are like the ones I remember when I used to work on
little gas engines.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:46:49 -0400, HK wrote:

I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Soometimes those are the best days.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

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Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.

That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

How to piss off the family...
 

NOYB wrote:
Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.
It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.



I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in
the Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure
into a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle
hooks. Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.

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"HK" wrote in message
...

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in the
Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure into
a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle hooks. Gave
up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the mindlessness of
it.


Sure doesn't seem like much of a 'sport'.
Throw out a line & hook... drive boat around slowly until some hapless fish
gets snagged.
......... and people say watching sailboat racing is
boring....................

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in the
Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure into
a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle hooks.
Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.


Sure doesn't seem like much of a 'sport'.
Throw out a line & hook... drive boat around slowly until some hapless
fish gets snagged.
........ and people say watching sailboat racing is
boring....................


Until you have 3 tuna hit your spread at the same time, or a 35lb bull
dolphin grey-hound across the top of the water, I really can't explain the
excitement that trolling brings to fishing.

And I don't just "throw out a line and hook". I have anywhere from 4-6 rods
out at a time that we're constantly working/adjusting, two of them off
outriggers. Meanwhile, the captain is constantly looking for temperature
breaks, upwellings, debris, weedlines, rips, or birds working schools of
fish.

This isn't like pulling a little Rapala minnow behind your johnboat in
search of a 3 pound walleye.

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NOYB wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in the
Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure into
a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle hooks.
Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.

Sure doesn't seem like much of a 'sport'.
Throw out a line & hook... drive boat around slowly until some hapless
fish gets snagged.
........ and people say watching sailboat racing is
boring....................


Until you have 3 tuna hit your spread at the same time, or a 35lb bull
dolphin grey-hound across the top of the water, I really can't explain the
excitement that trolling brings to fishing.

And I don't just "throw out a line and hook". I have anywhere from 4-6 rods
out at a time that we're constantly working/adjusting, two of them off
outriggers. Meanwhile, the captain is constantly looking for temperature
breaks, upwellings, debris, weedlines, rips, or birds working schools of
fish.

This isn't like pulling a little Rapala minnow behind your johnboat in
search of a 3 pound walleye.





I wouldn't do that, either. :}

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On Jul 22, 9:51 am, HK wrote:
NOYB wrote:
Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.
It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in
the Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure
into a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle
hooks. Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)

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On Jul 22, 4:51 pm, wrote:
On Jul 22, 9:51 am, HK wrote:





NOYB wrote:
Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.
It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in
the Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure
into a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle
hooks. Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And hacking the "sicks" string, fortunately Mrs, JW said "I do" to
"worse" too !

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:28:59 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it. With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.


I agree with everything you said. Circle hooks are not good for trolling,
and rod holders provide just the right action to do the job with a circle
hook. The hardest part of keeping the fish that just took the bait is
patience. Most folks want to jerk to rod or begin reeling before the fish
has tried to escape and set the hook itself.
--
John H

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:19:13 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in the
Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure into
a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle hooks. Gave
up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the mindlessness of
it.


Sure doesn't seem like much of a 'sport'.
Throw out a line & hook... drive boat around slowly until some hapless fish
gets snagged.
........ and people say watching sailboat racing is
boring....................


It's a shame trolling isn't as easy as you describe. There'd be a lot more
fish caught and a lot less gas consumed! It sounds like maybe you've never
rigged a boat to go trolling, with more than one rod.
--
John H

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:51:59 -0000,
wrote:

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)

You want calico bass, we'll go to Black Pond.

I'm bringing the Princecraft back home now that I have a boat down
here so we've got the right boat for the pond.

Not that the Brockaway isn't a nice...er...um...craft. :)

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jul 22, 9:51 am, HK wrote:
NOYB wrote:
Noboby catches more fish than a rod-holder.

And circle hooks are perfect for catching fish from the rod holder.

Here's another advantage of circle hooks:
I've caught a countless number of sharks, mackeral, and even barracuda
using
circle hooks and monofilament or fluorocarbon leader all because the
circle
hook lodges in the corner of the mouth away from the teeth. With a
regular
J-hook, there's almost no way those fish are caught.

The one limitation to circle hooks that I have found is mid-to-high
speed
trolling. The experts say that it can be done, but I don't buy it.
With
the boat moving 7+ knots, the hook is jerked away from the fish on the
strike. And circle hooks don't like to be "jerked away". I alway use
j-hooks when trolling.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:41:05 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove
the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work
all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.
It all depends on the situation. I use circle hooks a lot when
drifting down on structure in salt water or trolling around for
walleye/lake trout - those types of fish.

For example, stripers - circle hooks have something of an advantage
because stripers are side strikers - they generally won't come at
their forage from the front/angle or rear - they almost always come at
the bait from the side which gives a circle hook an advantage.

Other fish, like large mouth, while still ambush predators, will take
forage food from an angle or from the rear which doesn't give an
advantage to circle hooks.

Size, both hook and fish, are also considerations. If you are hitting
on primarily school or second year class fish, circle hooks have no
significant advantage over others.

In JWAFM's case, circle hooks wouldn't be any advantage at all because
he tends not to use the rod for striking power. He also has a
tendency to point the rod at the fish which loosens the line and gives
the fish a change to disengage. He's not really setting with the reel
either - he's basically allowing the fish to hook it'self. He also
has a tendency to let the line slack on retrieve so he can't feel the
fish when it takes or hits - that's an issue of touch and experience.

I'll eventually break him of these habits - I have a cattle prod I can
use everytime he does it. :)

Or maybe a shock collar would be better....

Hmmmm - need to think on that.

I use light wire circle hooks for drift fishing and bottom fishing in
the Bay. I've always got a rod handy for sight fishing or to cast a lure
into a pod of breaking fish, but on those lures I do not use circle
hooks. Gave up trolling for fish years ago. I just can't tolerate the
mindlessness of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions.

Why does John Belushi's scene from Animal House (breaking apart a guitar)
come to mind? ;-)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:51:59 -0000,
wrote:

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)

You want calico bass, we'll go to Black Pond.

I'm bringing the Princecraft back home now that I have a boat down
here so we've got the right boat for the pond.

Not that the Brockaway isn't a nice...er...um...craft. :)


What? You found some marginal dealer who sells etec-rigged boats? :}

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:30:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:51:59 -0000,
wrote:

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)

You want calico bass, we'll go to Black Pond.

I'm bringing the Princecraft back home now that I have a boat down
here so we've got the right boat for the pond.

Not that the Brockaway isn't a nice...er...um...craft. :)

What? You found some marginal dealer who sells etec-rigged boats? :}

Why yes - yes I did. :)

And wonder of wonders, it's not a Parker!!!!

By the way, just FYI, I sent that add to a friend of mine who is
looking for a boat like yours. He's even a four joke...er stroke guy.

You might hear from him although he seemed a little put off by the
price, but the engine hours were attractive.

I basically told him you were a pansy and babied the boat.

Don't know if that will help any. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:30:15 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:51:59 -0000,
wrote:

I troll a lot, that's why I bring a guitar and other distractions. My
boat is also set up as well for just playing around, floating and
swimming, as fishing. I dunno, it has never really bothered me that I
don't catch a lot of fish, I just love fishing. But I do want to get
better so I am working on it. Took the family to Mashapaug (400 acre,
fresh water, NE CT) the other day. Fished for a while, found a great
calico bass spot for fall, and spent the rest of the day on a little
Island with Mrs, JW, my youngest adn my dog, just floating and
sunning... ;)
You want calico bass, we'll go to Black Pond.

I'm bringing the Princecraft back home now that I have a boat down
here so we've got the right boat for the pond.

Not that the Brockaway isn't a nice...er...um...craft. :)
What? You found some marginal dealer who sells etec-rigged boats? :}

Why yes - yes I did. :)

And wonder of wonders, it's not a Parker!!!!

By the way, just FYI, I sent that add to a friend of mine who is
looking for a boat like yours. He's even a four joke...er stroke guy.

You might hear from him although he seemed a little put off by the
price, but the engine hours were attractive.

I basically told him you were a pansy and babied the boat.

Don't know if that will help any. :)


Do your friend a favor. Email me his first name, and tell him if he
contacts me, I'll be glad to offer him a "deal" on the price. I stated
previously I would sell the boat to someone friendly here at a good
discount. A friend of a "friendly" qualifies.


I have a guy coming up from Virginia this coming week who seems
interested. He says he has been shopping "in Florida" and "up North" for
Parkers because the prices are lower there. Lower, he says, because in
Florida, the boats age badly as a result of the never-ending UV and long
seasons, and are "overused in the rough oceans" up North.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:44:35 -0400, HK wrote:

Do your friend a favor. Email me his first name, and tell him if he
contacts me, I'll be glad to offer him a "deal" on the price. I stated
previously I would sell the boat to someone friendly here at a good
discount. A friend of a "friendly" qualifies.

I've passed this along - I gave him your email addy also. He's a
decent guy, just particular. He's got a "thing" about Parker boats -
he's always wanted one.

We'll see how that goes.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:41:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


What? You found some marginal dealer who sells etec-rigged boats? :}

Why yes - yes I did. :)


So fess up... what did you get? Did CC Marine treat you right?

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:31:07 -0400, Jack Goff wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:41:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


What? You found some marginal dealer who sells etec-rigged boats? :}

Why yes - yes I did. :)

So fess up... what did you get? Did CC Marine treat you right?

Yes they did, but I ended up with a deck boat. I'll be returning in
another two weeks as they are getting the model I wanted from another
dealer on a dealer transfer.

Nice people. We're going back out there today to finalize everything.

Thanks for the tip.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.

I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.


I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how I
expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to. Catching
fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.


Get some Berkeley Gulps (small shrimp work well) to keep on board for the
times you don't have bait. You can fish it just like live shrimp or
cut-bait right off the bottom, and they sometimes work better than live
bait...especially in preventing the bait stealers from stripping off your
bait.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how I
expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to. Catching
fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going fishing."

"Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish
they are after." --Henry David Thoreau

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NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove the
hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how I
expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to. Catching
fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.


Get some Berkeley Gulps (small shrimp work well) to keep on board for the
times you don't have bait. You can fish it just like live shrimp or
cut-bait right off the bottom, and they sometimes work better than live
bait...especially in preventing the bait stealers from stripping off your
bait.





Yup. I use those already. Also use FishBites, artificial bloodworms that
work well on baitfish, croakers, et cetera.

How to piss off the family...
 

On Jul 23, 10:59 am, "NOYB" wrote:

Get some Berkeley Gulps (small shrimp work well) to keep on board for the
times you don't have bait. You can fish it just like live shrimp or
cut-bait right off the bottom, and they sometimes work better than live
bait...especially in preventing the bait stealers from stripping off your
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Another problem for me is that all of my life, what I needed to fish,
I carried in my pocket, cept' the pole. Started boating and started
buying tackel boxes and filling them with artificial baits. Went
fishing last night with my middle and her husband. Went back to live
bait, worms in this case, came home with a nice rainbow in the bucket.
Lots of very fat panfish at Crystal lake this year, in fact in lots of
lakes. Should be a good year for Calico Bass (east coast, fresh water
version, state record about 2 lbs iirc) which don't have a lot of
meat, but the fillets are better than sole. Don't really like to keep
them in summer, wormy. Anyway, the kids were swimming, and fishing at
the same time. Knew the panfish would not mind, but I did not expect
to hook a big trout just 20 feet or so under the swimmers. Rainy
today, probably won't go out.

How to piss off the family...
 

I don't like fishbites. I've bought the strips before, and the mesh is a
pain in the ass. It's hard to get it off your hook when changing the bait.



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D.Duck wrote:
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:42:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

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On Jul 20, 4:41 pm, "NOYB" wrote:
Use circle hooks, and you can continue to "set with the reel".

Humm. I used them last season for blackfishing and did well. I may
try
it, but I am still going to work on my techniques. Went out
yesterday
and actually angled for fish, instead of trolling or dropping live
bait on the bottom. Did not point one tip at any fish, still can't
stop setting with reel though.
I find that with circle hooks you are much less apt to gut hook the
fish.
Usually catch them in the corner of their mouth. Easier to remove
the hook
and much easier on the fish.
That's true in general, but...

I've seen circle hooks get caught in odd angles - they don't work all
the time exactly the way they are intended to work.

Depends on the bait used and how much.
I agree, but I'm still convinced they're better than other designs.

I went out fishing for a few hours this afternoon after the north wind
here today died down. Used circle hooks. Brought no bait. Was asked how
I expected to catch fish without any bait. Said I didn't expect to.
Catching fish is not necessarily the most important aspect of "going
fishing."

Spent a bit of the time practicing casting with light egg sinkers and no
hooks at all.


Get some Berkeley Gulps (small shrimp work well) to keep on board for the
times you don't have bait. You can fish it just like live shrimp or
cut-bait right off the bottom, and they sometimes work better than live
bait...especially in preventing the bait stealers from stripping off your
bait.





Yup. I use those already. Also use FishBites, artificial bloodworms that
work well on baitfish, croakers, et cetera.