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I am in California. I just got the renewal bill for my personal umbrella
policy, and the "Important Notice" brochure that always comes with it
said, "The definition of insured is revised so that a person or
organization using an insured's auto, RV or watercraft is no longer
covered." So, when I let a valet park my car, he's not covered. If I
loan my car to a friend, relative, or neighbor, they're not covered. If
my ski boat was running - it isn't right now - and I let a friend drive it
to tow me, he's not covered. (Yes, I know that my "underlying" car
insurance covers them up to the limits of that policy, but those limits
are only enough to pay for a stubbed toe.)

I called my agent and she was totally unaware of the change, and asked me
to fax her a copy of the brochure. Then, once she called the
underwriters, she still seemed unconcerned. She was happy to quote me
the increase in premiums to bring each of my car polcies up to the same
limits that were formerly covered by the Umbrella. An additional $206
per year. I will pay the money, because I own a home and it is vital that
I remain insured up to a high limit.

I have taken the trouble to write this post because I think that a lot of
other people will fail to read the "Important Notice" (the brochure is 17
pages long), will simply write the check like they do every other year,
and will end up with a big gap in their coverage. And their insurance
agent won't take the trouble to call them or write them a personal letter
telling about the big gap that just opened up in their coverage. So,
look out! And warn your friends.

Ham

1. The valet company should have their own insurance.

Doesn't mean someone won't sue both of you...and collect because of an
idiotic jury.

2. Don't loan your car or boat to anyone outside your family.

In-laws? Parents? Brother? Not practical.

3. Why should the insurance company cover anyone but you and your family?

Because they're insuring the vehicle.

Tom G

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"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Hamish" wrote in message
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I am in California. I just got the renewal bill for my personal umbrella
policy, and the "Important Notice" brochure that always comes with it
said, "The definition of insured is revised so that a person or
organization using an insured's auto, RV or watercraft is no longer
covered." So, when I let a valet park my car, he's not covered. If I
loan my car to a friend, relative, or neighbor, they're not covered. If
my ski boat was running - it isn't right now - and I let a friend drive
it to tow me, he's not covered. (Yes, I know that my "underlying" car
insurance covers them up to the limits of that policy, but those limits
are only enough to pay for a stubbed toe.)
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But how does your auto policy cover your watercraft. My insurance agent
recently pointed out to me that although my homeowners policy specifically
covers a boat up to 14 ft and under 25 hp, that's only while being used in a
body of water totally on my property (my swimming pool, maybe?), my boat
being used on the navigable river in front of my place is no longer covered
as soon as I pull away from my dock. They really want you to spend money to
cover each and every thing you might drive even though you can't drive more
than one vehicle, etc at a time. Furthermore, I would imagine that their
reason to specifically write in the policy that no other person using the
vehicle would be covered is to prevent the lawyers from looking for the
"deepest" pocket to sue in the event of an accident.

Tom G.

JimH

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"JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Hamish" wrote in message
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I am in California. I just got the renewal bill for my personal umbrella
policy, and the "Important Notice" brochure that always comes with it
said, "The definition of insured is revised so that a person or
organization using an insured's auto, RV or watercraft is no longer
covered." So, when I let a valet park my car, he's not covered. If I
loan my car to a friend, relative, or neighbor, they're not covered. If
my ski boat was running - it isn't right now - and I let a friend drive
it to tow me, he's not covered. (Yes, I know that my "underlying" car
insurance covers them up to the limits of that policy, but those limits
are only enough to pay for a stubbed toe.)

I called my agent and she was totally unaware of the change, and asked
me to fax her a copy of the brochure. Then, once she called the
underwriters, she still seemed unconcerned. She was happy to quote me
the increase in premiums to bring each of my car polcies up to the same
limits that were formerly covered by the Umbrella. An additional $206
per year. I will pay the money, because I own a home and it is vital
that I remain insured up to a high limit.

I have taken the trouble to write this post because I think that a lot
of other people will fail to read the "Important Notice" (the brochure
is 17 pages long), will simply write the check like they do every other
year, and will end up with a big gap in their coverage. And their
insurance agent won't take the trouble to call them or write them a
personal letter telling about the big gap that just opened up in their
coverage. So, look out! And warn your friends.

Ham

1. The valet company should have their own insurance.

Doesn't mean someone won't sue both of you...and collect because of an
idiotic jury.

2. Don't loan your car or boat to anyone outside your family.

In-laws? Parents? Brother? Not practical.

3. Why should the insurance company cover anyone but you and your
family?

Because they're insuring the vehicle.

See my response to Gene. You are confusing the main policy with the
umbrella policy.

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