JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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snip...
The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had
problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason
there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed
for a buck.
snip
--Vic
Bingo!
If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly
pay those union dues year after year.
(not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business
hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value)

Stop living in the 1920s Don.

Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay
increase, despite their abilities and contributions.

Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future
possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children and
grandchildren.

Agreed as you posted in past tense.

In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-)




That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the
Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
snip...
The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had
problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason
there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed
for a buck.
snip
--Vic
Bingo!
If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly
pay those union dues year after year.
(not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business
hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value)

Stop living in the 1920s Don.

Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay
increase, despite their abilities and contributions.

Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future
possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children
and grandchildren.

Agreed as you posted in past tense.

In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-)


That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush
Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present
problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada.

However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from
brawn to brain.

The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell back
later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some 7,000
to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years.

In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the
direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows and
earning levels are at al time highs.

Eh?

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
snip...
The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had
problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason
there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you killed
for a buck.
snip
--Vic
Bingo!
If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they willingly
pay those union dues year after year.
(not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a business
hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value)
Stop living in the 1920s Don.

Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay
increase, despite their abilities and contributions.
Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a future
possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their children
and grandchildren.
Agreed as you posted in past tense.

In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-)

That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the Bush
Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present
problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada.

However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from
brawn to brain.

The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell back
later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some 7,000
to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years.

In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the
direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows and
earning levels are at al time highs.

Eh?



Thank you, Gordon Gecko.

"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
snip...
The unions were good to me. Except for those 2 pricks I never had
problems with management either. *Guys like them are the reason
there's unions*. They'll lie and steal you blind, and get you
killed
for a buck.
snip
--Vic
Bingo!
If everyone was treated fairly & with respect why would they
willingly pay those union dues year after year.
(not counting a few cases where a particular union may hold a
business hostage to enrich it's members above their fair value)
Stop living in the 1920s Don.

Unions cause mediocrity...........everyone receives the same pay
increase, despite their abilities and contributions.
Unions created the lower middle class in this country, and made a
future possible for tens of millions of working Americans and their
children and grandchildren.
Agreed as you posted in past tense.

In todays world unions are no longer needed though. ;-)

That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the
Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

Greed............by corporate executives and unions caused our present
problem with jobs moving to China, Mexico and Canada.

However, we are competing in a global economy and continue to shift from
brawn to brain.

The state of our economy........the Dow passed 14,000 today, but fell
back later in the day. Imagine going from the crash of post 9-11 to some
7,000 to almost doubling it in a short 5 some years.

In case you forgot............it was all done with tax cuts under the
direction of GWB. Interestingly unemployment levels are at record lows
and earning levels are at al time highs.

Eh?

Thank you

NP. :-)

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:


That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the
Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

Yeah, the same guys who whined the most about unions - IT, Engineers
and middle management- are being replaced by foreigners.
When I took an early retirement offer last year I was running a crew
of Indian H1-B's.
Good guys, and sharp, but not American. More than half the floor
was Indians. If one of my kids or yours were to come home from Iraq
and apply for IT work at this Fortune 100 company, their resumes would
be tossed in the circular file. They were only hiring Indians.
Smaller salaries, no bennies.
I think what made me take the offer was seeing the American flag
flying proudly over the front lobby. The place just disgusted me on
that score alone. And I used to the really feel at home there.
BTW, though not State Farm, you can guess. Check out major insurance
company exec compensation packages to see who's pocket that $206
premium increase went into. And officers are only the tip of the
iceberg.
You know, Hillary and Bill are just as good as Bush when it comes to
kissing corporate ass and weakening America. Unions saw their
greatest decline and Wall Street whores rose to prominence under
Clinton.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:30:57 -0400, HK wrote:

That's right...everyone should put their faith in their corporate
employer, who, without unions, can buttfu*k you mercilessly while the
Bush Admin cheers and lets your jobs be exported to China.

Yeah, the same guys who whined the most about unions - IT, Engineers
and middle management- are being replaced by foreigners.
When I took an early retirement offer last year I was running a crew
of Indian H1-B's.
Good guys, and sharp, but not American. More than half the floor
was Indians. If one of my kids or yours were to come home from Iraq
and apply for IT work at this Fortune 100 company, their resumes would
be tossed in the circular file. They were only hiring Indians.
Smaller salaries, no bennies.
I think what made me take the offer was seeing the American flag
flying proudly over the front lobby. The place just disgusted me on
that score alone. And I used to the really feel at home there.
BTW, though not State Farm, you can guess. Check out major insurance
company exec compensation packages to see who's pocket that $206
premium increase went into. And officers are only the tip of the
iceberg.
You know, Hillary and Bill are just as good as Bush when it comes to
kissing corporate ass and weakening America. Unions saw their
greatest decline and Wall Street whores rose to prominence under
Clinton.

--Vic


All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible
workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it.
The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in
sooner rather than later.

The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do
something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be
democrats than republicans. It has gotten much worse for workers under
bush, and the Dems will be more receptive to non-corporate pressure.

The "array" of candidates being offered to repubs is so bad, you almost
have to feel sorry for the eventual GOP nominee. Once Guiliani's true
nature is revealed, that he is a short-tempered Napolean, he'll cook his
own goose. And Romney? The flip-flopper of all time. Some of the Repubs
are looking to Fred Thompson to save them. I hope he is the nominee,
because he will be easier to beat than Guiliani.

In 2008, the voters will demand a POTUS and congress who will end Bush's
abortion in Iraq. The Repubs to a man will not break with Bush on that
issue. They're all going to be dead meat in the eyes of the voters.

"HK" wrote in message
...

All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce,
and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties
think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather
than later.

The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do
something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats
than republicans.

Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get.

My personal pick is Mitt Romney.

NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible workforce,
and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it. The righties
think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in sooner rather
than later.

The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do
something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be democrats
than republicans.

Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get.

My personal pick is Mitt Romney.





Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated.
Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred.

Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he
now against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat.

"HK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible
workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it.
The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in
sooner rather than later.

The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do
something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be
democrats than republicans.

Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get.

My personal pick is Mitt Romney.





Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated.
Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred.

Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should.



Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now
against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat.

You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only
position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that
that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in
order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the
Republican primary.

You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the
nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents
who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who
are glad he has "finally seen the light".

Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care
issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good
looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be
no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise.

I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston
Globe against him.

NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

All major corporations want these days is the cheapest possible
workforce, and if that means exporting jobs to China or India, so be it.
The righties think this is "good" for our economy, but it will do us in
sooner rather than later.

The only hope is to elect a president and congress in 2008 who will do
something to stem the flow of jobs. Those are more likely to be
democrats than republicans.
Baloney. Duncan Hunter is about as protectionist as you can get.

My personal pick is Mitt Romney.




Duncan Hunter has about as much chance as either of us to be nominated.
Your nominee will be Guiliani, Romney, or Tired Old Fred.

Hunter will be the VP candidate, and if he isn't he should.


Is Mitt for the war in Iraq, or against it? Or was he for it and is he now
against it? Mr. Flip-Flop..,he'll be fun to Swiftboat.

You guys might shoot your load too early trying to swiftboat Mitt. The only
position that he has "flip-flopped" on is abortion...and pointing out that
that he now takes a pro-life stance after taking a pro-choice stance in
order to win the governorship in MA only solidifies his standing in the
Republican primary.

You should save the flip-flop accusations for *if and when* he becomes the
nominee. It might sell well during a general election with independents
who are pro-choice. But it's not going to sell well with Republicans who
are glad he has "finally seen the light".

Democrats are scared of Romney. He has managed to steal the health care
issue with Romneycare. He is smart, articulate, accomplished, and good
looking. The man has also led a life that is beyond reproach. They'll be
no dirty tricks or last-minute skeletons for an October surprise.

I guess that's why the Dems are sending their attack dogs at the Boston
Globe against him.



No one is scared of Romney. Really. He'll probably win the NH primary
because he has name recognition there, and then that will be the end of
him. His "nuanced" flip-flop on abortion is a tad too sophisticated for
the majority of simpleton southern Republican jesus freaks, most of whom
also relegate Mormonism to the same category as witchcraft. I lived
among the "stuporcons" of the south for more than five years, and was
always amazed at their religious simplemindedness. These are the same
folk who believe Roman Catholics aren't christian, and Jews are the
spawn of the devil who killed Jesus.

Personally, I'd love to run a campaign against Romney, the guy who
represents the same corporate interests who have sold this country down
the drain.