On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:20:42 -0700, jps wrote:

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On Jul 12, 10:49 am, jps wrote:
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:11:33 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Are you really this determined to steer the NG back into the toilet?

Don't you understand Chuck?

We're all being held hostage by Jon - he's the Al-Qaida of rec.boats.
It's all about him and his outrage. He's gone right off the deep end.

Did you know that Jon told me one time that all Republicans should be
shot? True - I still have the email.

I tend to keep emails that amuse me. Sadly, this one might turn into
evidence at some point.

And to think - he lives out by you!!!

Watch your back dude - watch your back.

Only some Republicans should be shot. Taking our conversations out of
context is rude, but I'm coming to accept that being within your ethics.

Chuck is perfectly safe. Although he doesn't approve of my rabble
rousing, he's not a blind fool and I agree with most of what he says.

It's the mock "conservatives" who're nothing more than partisan fools
who I have the beef with. So many of these fools tried to call us
pinkos, commies, socialists, etc. for our views on the war and pointing
out the lies we were being told.

Yet, you are getting fed lies and repeating them here? Whats worse is
when proven to be lies, you dismiss it and get more foul mouthed.


Now, after all is nearly said and done, it turns out we silly libs were
right. I want my piece of flesh for being accused of treason, being a
traitor to my country for dissent -- by many of the self righteous
assholes who still frequent this group.

Nothing is said and done. Even if it would fit your agenda.


So much resource squandered, our moral authority in the world a
shambles, our kids, young parents dead, maimed, psychologically damaged,
with many tens of thousands of Iraqis dead or maimed. Families
destroyed in the name of lies and hubris.

But there is no proof of "lies and hubris",

You are so far off the planet it's sad.

You didn't respond to any of the Bill O evidence I offered.

You don't want to know any better.

jps

You offered. as was stated, no evidence. Verbiage by hate mongers is not
evidence.

What color is your Whaler? Have you painted the bottom? What size?
--
John H

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:25:23 -0700, jps wrote:


I place little if any importance on this group. What's important is
that these dweebs are confronted with an alternative to their little,
boxed reality.

I want to spew as much **** in their faces as I took. I'm not a turn-
the-cheek sort of guy.

If they don't want to listen, respond, acknowledge their short-sighted
stupidity, so be it.

jps

How much **** did you take? Did any get on the Whaler? Damn, I hope it
didn't ruin the gelcoat.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.manscat.com/forum/archive....php/t-50.html

Good luck!
--
John H

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On Jul 12, 12:29 pm, jps wrote:
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On Jul 12, 8:50?am, wrote:

But there is no proof of "lies and hubris", no convictions, only
anecdotal web blogs encouraged and paid for by groups like the Soros
organization, DNC, One World, ACLU, NAMBLA, and various other fringe
activist groups. But like your lies about O, no real proof, just
daydreams and made up stories...

I think we agree on something, justafreakin. It can be disastrous to
accept unproven spin as a basis for opinion, and even more disastrous
to use it as a basis for defining policy. We probably shouldn't listen
to anybody with a partisan agenda or financial interest in one version
of the truth vs. another. Any suggestions concerning where we should
turn for completely unbiased reporting devoid of partisan influence
and editorializing? I'd be at a loss to identify a single one, on any
side of the spectrum or in any medium. Looks to me like you and jps
have each chosen a different subset from the universe of biased
sources.

Holy **** Chuck, awfully magnanimous of you.

I listen, read, watch from all perspectives. I know our schtick and
theirs.

Thats a lie, we proved that yesterday.

You didn't refute a single article I posted yesterday, you vapid little
tool.

Meanwhile, I was watching Brit Hume, Morton Kondracke, Mara Liasson and
some guest right wing tool talk about what a waste of time it was to be
conducting hearings on the federal prosecutor scandal and how John
Conyers and Democrats risked looking like the Republicans did while
investigating and impeaching Clinton.

Again, Hume pushing the Republican talking points. Have you ever
noticed how synchronized they are with Tony Snow's language and all that
comes out of the White House press room?

You're making accusations without proof while I'm posting real
refutations of Bill O that you're simply not in a position to argue.

You're a right wing tool, among those responsible for supporting an
administration that's doing real harm to our country while idiots like
you try to wrap themselves in the flag.

jps

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:11:33 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Are you really this determined to steer the NG back into the toilet?
Don't you understand Chuck?

We're all being held hostage by Jon - he's the Al-Qaida of rec.boats.
It's all about him and his outrage. He's gone right off the deep end.

Did you know that Jon told me one time that all Republicans should be
shot? True - I still have the email.

I tend to keep emails that amuse me. Sadly, this one might turn into
evidence at some point.

And to think - he lives out by you!!!

Watch your back dude - watch your back.
Only some Republicans should be shot. Taking our conversations out of
context is rude, but I'm coming to accept that being within your ethics.

Chuck is perfectly safe. Although he doesn't approve of my rabble
rousing, he's not a blind fool and I agree with most of what he says.

It's the mock "conservatives" who're nothing more than partisan fools
who I have the beef with. So many of these fools tried to call us
pinkos, commies, socialists, etc. for our views on the war and pointing
out the lies we were being told.

Now, after all is nearly said and done, it turns out we silly libs were
right. I want my piece of flesh for being accused of treason, being a
traitor to my country for dissent -- by many of the self righteous
assholes who still frequent this group.

So much resource squandered, our moral authority in the world a
shambles, our kids, young parents dead, maimed, psychologically damaged,
with many tens of thousands of Iraqis dead or maimed. Families
destroyed in the name of lies and hubris.

The assholes claiming we were misguided fools know who they are. I just
want a little time to rub their faces in the **** they were spewing back
when they beat their small-minded drums at a fever pitch.

jps
I think you place WAY too much importance on this group.

I place little if any importance on this group. What's important is
that these dweebs are confronted with an alternative to their little,
boxed reality.

I want to spew as much **** in their faces as I took. I'm not a turn-
the-cheek sort of guy.

If they don't want to listen, respond, acknowledge their short-sighted
stupidity, so be it.

jps

You say you don't place any importance in this group, but then you list
all of the ways this group has spewed **** in your face. You know you
are not going to change anyone's mind, they don't care if you are
calling them names or spewing ****, so why waste your breath.

All of the talk radio/TV talk show hosts are entertainers playing up to
their audience, those who love them or those who hate them. They are
not news shows, and no on in their right mind would take anything they
say as gospel. If legitimate news shows make mistakes, it is very
reasonable that entertainment talk shows will make a ton of mistakes.

It would appear that they have impacted on your life more than those who
agree with them. The "righties" who you hate, have dangled the bait and
you have bite it hook line and sinker. Now they are playing you. Why
not spit out the bait and let it rest.

That's not bait they're dangling, it's their heartfelt beliefs.

I'm taking the time to highlight the lies and ****ups of an
administration these tools defended to the point of suggesting any who
disagreed with them were traitors, guilty of crimes against America.

You suggest this isn't something I need and I'm suggesting it is. I
need to rail against these dimwits for a minute, spew some **** in their
faces and then I'll be back to my normal rounds.

The Scooter Libby thing just really sent me. I think it's going to cost
the Republicans several more seats in the house, obviously the white
house. My only concern is, will the wimpy Democrats actually have a
plan for the country when the opportunity is there to lead.

jps

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:18:35 -0700, jps wrote:



Yes, unless you listen to the complete spectrum of news. Then you
easily detect how Hume reinforces the Republican talking points of the
day.

He regularly walks people into these talking points quite adroitly.

And you don't hear two sides. You hear conservative and conservative
light.

Good description of Hume. He's a Wall Street/Neocon pimp, as is Fox
News in general. Evident in the panel in the latter part of the show.
Usually 2 guys from the Weekly Standard, Barnes and Crystal or Salmon,
Kondrake, and the token woman (she *never* adds anything, just
basically agrees with the others.)
Nobody ever argues with Hume unless Juan Williams is there, and he
almost makes Hume explode. Chris Wallace is pretty good, generally
toeing the Fox line, but sometimes going off the reservation.
Two of the above comprise The Beltway Boys. What a laughable show.
But it's so unbelievably stupid I can't resist watching.
Besides, cable news likes to spend a lot of time talking about Paris
Hilton, so the Boys are actually sometimes.beating the competition in
entertainment value.
You're mistaken to think any of these guys are conservatives.
They all supported the Bush illegal alien amnesty plan. Conservatives
didn't, nor did many Dems.
They are Wall Street pimps, just as GWB is, and just as Bill Clinton
was and Hillary is.
Pat Buchanan is a conservative. Joe Scarborough is a conservative.
Lou Dobbs is a conservative. Different animals entirely than the Fox
morons.
I watch Fox regularly, as well as other news channels. Fox actually
has an excellent news operation if you separate the politics, just as
the WSJ did when I read it regularly.
If you want fair and balanced commentary you go to CNN or MSNBC.
Scarborough, Dobbs and Matthews are my favorites, in no particular
order. I don't always agree with what they say, but they kiss
nobody's ass and spend no time on Paris Hilton.
Olbermann was okay when he was a lone voice, but he too full of
himself - thinks he Edward R. Murrow. I can't even listen to his
pretentious "commentaries." Get over it Keith. Bush will *not*
resign, or be impeached.
O'Reilly and Hannity are Jerry Springer. Trash.
All my opinion, of course.
Why isn't the Whaler in the water?

--Vic
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:18:35 -0700, jps wrote:



Yes, unless you listen to the complete spectrum of news. Then you
easily detect how Hume reinforces the Republican talking points of the
day.

He regularly walks people into these talking points quite adroitly.

And you don't hear two sides. You hear conservative and conservative
light.

Good description of Hume. He's a Wall Street/Neocon pimp, as is Fox
News in general. Evident in the panel in the latter part of the show.
Usually 2 guys from the Weekly Standard, Barnes and Crystal or Salmon,
Kondrake, and the token woman (she *never* adds anything, just
basically agrees with the others.)
Nobody ever argues with Hume unless Juan Williams is there, and he
almost makes Hume explode. Chris Wallace is pretty good, generally
toeing the Fox line, but sometimes going off the reservation.
Two of the above comprise The Beltway Boys. What a laughable show.
But it's so unbelievably stupid I can't resist watching.
Besides, cable news likes to spend a lot of time talking about Paris
Hilton, so the Boys are actually sometimes.beating the competition in
entertainment value.
You're mistaken to think any of these guys are conservatives.
They all supported the Bush illegal alien amnesty plan. Conservatives
didn't, nor did many Dems.
They are Wall Street pimps, just as GWB is, and just as Bill Clinton
was and Hillary is.
Pat Buchanan is a conservative. Joe Scarborough is a conservative.
Lou Dobbs is a conservative. Different animals entirely than the Fox
morons.
I watch Fox regularly, as well as other news channels. Fox actually
has an excellent news operation if you separate the politics, just as
the WSJ did when I read it regularly.
If you want fair and balanced commentary you go to CNN or MSNBC.
Scarborough, Dobbs and Matthews are my favorites, in no particular
order. I don't always agree with what they say, but they kiss
nobody's ass and spend no time on Paris Hilton.
Olbermann was okay when he was a lone voice, but he too full of
himself - thinks he Edward R. Murrow. I can't even listen to his
pretentious "commentaries." Get over it Keith. Bush will *not*
resign, or be impeached.
O'Reilly and Hannity are Jerry Springer. Trash.
All my opinion, of course.
Why isn't the Whaler in the water?

--Vic

Agreed. Olbermann is over the top and he's too in love with himself to
ever compare with Murrow. But, apart from the "you must resign" section
of his latest rant, the rest was pretty right on.

The Beltway Boys spend most of their time trashing Dems. It's pretty
pathetic but entertaining if you can keep from barfing. Scarborough
comes and goes. One minute I think he's a pretty smart guy, the next
he's spouting right wing trash.

I like Matthews most of the time. He invites a pretty broad cross
section of opinions and engages them. I wish he'd leave Ann Coulter off
the show. She's trash.

Dobbs, the protectionist, is pretty over the top too. He's way beyond
reporting the news, it's newsommenting or something like that.

The thing that I can't stand is how so many hosts with brains rarely
question or refute the "expert" talking heads. Most of the in-house
experts are okay, it's the agenda-driven experts that bug the crap out
of me. It's as if the host has only to introduce and seque between
segments and advertising, the rest being left to sound bites that sell
one opinion or another. No reasoning involved.

Dan Abrams recently had a run at some right wing lunatic that was pretty
inspiring. "It's about freaking time" I said to myself. Finally,
someone was confronting the guest with an opposing opinion and making
him explain himself, in detail.

I like your Wall St. pimp notion. I agree that they're all bought and
paid for, if not through personal greed, by a broken election system
that demands huge sums of money to be competitive. I don't know how a
person could possibly compete without big money -- and we know where
that resides, eh?

Journalism has certainly taken a dive. I think there's an opportunity
for somebody to present a real news show if the public had enough
patience to actually sit and listen.

Thanks for your reasoned opinion.

jps

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:28:05 -0700, jps spewed more
political stuff which is answered appropriately:

You really ought to tell us about the Whaler! Because, the number of people
who really care about the other crap is really small, like two.
--
John H

jps wrote:

You suggest this isn't something I need and I'm suggesting it is. I
need to rail against these dimwits for a minute, spew some **** in their
faces......

jps

as I said, you take this NG way too seriously.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:16:23 -0700, jps spewed some
more politics:

Here, perhaps this will lighten your mood!

At a U2 concert in Ireland , Bono (the lead singer) asks the audience
for some quiet. Then he starts to slowly clap his hands. Holding the
audience in total silence, he says into the microphone...."I want you to
think about something. Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa
dies."

A voice from the front of the audience yells out...."Then stop
clapping, ya fooking asshole!"

You Got To Love the Irish!

--
John H

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:11:08 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:53:12 -0700, sonofadocker
wrote:

CAN YOU MULES GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO TALK ABOUT THE MORON'S YOU WONT
VOTE OUT OF OFFICE...............................

If you use Agent, there is a Solution.......

Highlight the first message of the thread and press the "I" key.

Situation resolved......

I didn't know that.

Learn something new everyday.