On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:16:17 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jul 12, 8:50?am, wrote:


But there is no proof of "lies and hubris", no convictions, only
anecdotal web blogs encouraged and paid for by groups like the Soros
organization, DNC, One World, ACLU, NAMBLA, and various other fringe
activist groups. But like your lies about O, no real proof, just
daydreams and made up stories...


I think we agree on something, justafreakin. It can be disastrous to
accept unproven spin as a basis for opinion, and even more disastrous
to use it as a basis for defining policy. We probably shouldn't listen
to anybody with a partisan agenda or financial interest in one version
of the truth vs. another. Any suggestions concerning where we should
turn for completely unbiased reporting devoid of partisan influence
and editorializing?


Yeah, Fox News. At least you'll hear two sides. And, you'll hear things
that never make the major media.

If you don't want editorializing, don't listen to O'Reilly, Hannity,
Colmes, etc. Just stick with the news. Brit Hume provides a pretty balanced
news report.
--
John H

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:16:17 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jul 12, 8:50?am, wrote:


But there is no proof of "lies and hubris", no convictions, only
anecdotal web blogs encouraged and paid for by groups like the Soros
organization, DNC, One World, ACLU, NAMBLA, and various other fringe
activist groups. But like your lies about O, no real proof, just
daydreams and made up stories...


I think we agree on something, justafreakin. It can be disastrous to
accept unproven spin as a basis for opinion, and even more disastrous
to use it as a basis for defining policy. We probably shouldn't listen
to anybody with a partisan agenda or financial interest in one version
of the truth vs. another. Any suggestions concerning where we should
turn for completely unbiased reporting devoid of partisan influence
and editorializing?


Yeah, Fox News. At least you'll hear two sides. And, you'll hear things
that never make the major media.

If you don't want editorializing, don't listen to O'Reilly, Hannity,
Colmes, etc. Just stick with the news. Brit Hume provides a pretty balanced
news report.

Yes, unless you listen to the complete spectrum of news. Then you
easily detect how Hume reinforces the Republican talking points of the
day.

He regularly walks people into these talking points quite adroitly.

And you don't hear two sides. You hear conservative and conservative
light.

jps

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:18:35 -0700, jps wrote:



Yes, unless you listen to the complete spectrum of news. Then you
easily detect how Hume reinforces the Republican talking points of the
day.

He regularly walks people into these talking points quite adroitly.

And you don't hear two sides. You hear conservative and conservative
light.

Good description of Hume. He's a Wall Street/Neocon pimp, as is Fox
News in general. Evident in the panel in the latter part of the show.
Usually 2 guys from the Weekly Standard, Barnes and Crystal or Salmon,
Kondrake, and the token woman (she *never* adds anything, just
basically agrees with the others.)
Nobody ever argues with Hume unless Juan Williams is there, and he
almost makes Hume explode. Chris Wallace is pretty good, generally
toeing the Fox line, but sometimes going off the reservation.
Two of the above comprise The Beltway Boys. What a laughable show.
But it's so unbelievably stupid I can't resist watching.
Besides, cable news likes to spend a lot of time talking about Paris
Hilton, so the Boys are actually sometimes.beating the competition in
entertainment value.
You're mistaken to think any of these guys are conservatives.
They all supported the Bush illegal alien amnesty plan. Conservatives
didn't, nor did many Dems.
They are Wall Street pimps, just as GWB is, and just as Bill Clinton
was and Hillary is.
Pat Buchanan is a conservative. Joe Scarborough is a conservative.
Lou Dobbs is a conservative. Different animals entirely than the Fox
morons.
I watch Fox regularly, as well as other news channels. Fox actually
has an excellent news operation if you separate the politics, just as
the WSJ did when I read it regularly.
If you want fair and balanced commentary you go to CNN or MSNBC.
Scarborough, Dobbs and Matthews are my favorites, in no particular
order. I don't always agree with what they say, but they kiss
nobody's ass and spend no time on Paris Hilton.
Olbermann was okay when he was a lone voice, but he too full of
himself - thinks he Edward R. Murrow. I can't even listen to his
pretentious "commentaries." Get over it Keith. Bush will *not*
resign, or be impeached.
O'Reilly and Hannity are Jerry Springer. Trash.
All my opinion, of course.
Why isn't the Whaler in the water?

--Vic
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:18:35 -0700, jps wrote:



Yes, unless you listen to the complete spectrum of news. Then you
easily detect how Hume reinforces the Republican talking points of the
day.

He regularly walks people into these talking points quite adroitly.

And you don't hear two sides. You hear conservative and conservative
light.

Good description of Hume. He's a Wall Street/Neocon pimp, as is Fox
News in general. Evident in the panel in the latter part of the show.
Usually 2 guys from the Weekly Standard, Barnes and Crystal or Salmon,
Kondrake, and the token woman (she *never* adds anything, just
basically agrees with the others.)
Nobody ever argues with Hume unless Juan Williams is there, and he
almost makes Hume explode. Chris Wallace is pretty good, generally
toeing the Fox line, but sometimes going off the reservation.
Two of the above comprise The Beltway Boys. What a laughable show.
But it's so unbelievably stupid I can't resist watching.
Besides, cable news likes to spend a lot of time talking about Paris
Hilton, so the Boys are actually sometimes.beating the competition in
entertainment value.
You're mistaken to think any of these guys are conservatives.
They all supported the Bush illegal alien amnesty plan. Conservatives
didn't, nor did many Dems.
They are Wall Street pimps, just as GWB is, and just as Bill Clinton
was and Hillary is.
Pat Buchanan is a conservative. Joe Scarborough is a conservative.
Lou Dobbs is a conservative. Different animals entirely than the Fox
morons.
I watch Fox regularly, as well as other news channels. Fox actually
has an excellent news operation if you separate the politics, just as
the WSJ did when I read it regularly.
If you want fair and balanced commentary you go to CNN or MSNBC.
Scarborough, Dobbs and Matthews are my favorites, in no particular
order. I don't always agree with what they say, but they kiss
nobody's ass and spend no time on Paris Hilton.
Olbermann was okay when he was a lone voice, but he too full of
himself - thinks he Edward R. Murrow. I can't even listen to his
pretentious "commentaries." Get over it Keith. Bush will *not*
resign, or be impeached.
O'Reilly and Hannity are Jerry Springer. Trash.
All my opinion, of course.
Why isn't the Whaler in the water?

--Vic

Agreed. Olbermann is over the top and he's too in love with himself to
ever compare with Murrow. But, apart from the "you must resign" section
of his latest rant, the rest was pretty right on.

The Beltway Boys spend most of their time trashing Dems. It's pretty
pathetic but entertaining if you can keep from barfing. Scarborough
comes and goes. One minute I think he's a pretty smart guy, the next
he's spouting right wing trash.

I like Matthews most of the time. He invites a pretty broad cross
section of opinions and engages them. I wish he'd leave Ann Coulter off
the show. She's trash.

Dobbs, the protectionist, is pretty over the top too. He's way beyond
reporting the news, it's newsommenting or something like that.

The thing that I can't stand is how so many hosts with brains rarely
question or refute the "expert" talking heads. Most of the in-house
experts are okay, it's the agenda-driven experts that bug the crap out
of me. It's as if the host has only to introduce and seque between
segments and advertising, the rest being left to sound bites that sell
one opinion or another. No reasoning involved.

Dan Abrams recently had a run at some right wing lunatic that was pretty
inspiring. "It's about freaking time" I said to myself. Finally,
someone was confronting the guest with an opposing opinion and making
him explain himself, in detail.

I like your Wall St. pimp notion. I agree that they're all bought and
paid for, if not through personal greed, by a broken election system
that demands huge sums of money to be competitive. I don't know how a
person could possibly compete without big money -- and we know where
that resides, eh?

Journalism has certainly taken a dive. I think there's an opportunity
for somebody to present a real news show if the public had enough
patience to actually sit and listen.

Thanks for your reasoned opinion.

jps

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:16:23 -0700, jps spewed some
more politics:

Here, perhaps this will lighten your mood!

At a U2 concert in Ireland , Bono (the lead singer) asks the audience
for some quiet. Then he starts to slowly clap his hands. Holding the
audience in total silence, he says into the microphone...."I want you to
think about something. Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa
dies."

A voice from the front of the audience yells out...."Then stop
clapping, ya fooking asshole!"

You Got To Love the Irish!

--
John H