On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:56:56 -0000,
wrote:

Are you saying you are one of them??

Nice place to visit but not sure I'd want to live there. :-)

On the other hand, if you gave me a beach house on the Gulf...

On Jul 10, 12:12 am, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:15:58 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:56:56 -0000,
wrote:

Are you saying you are one of them??

Nice place to visit but not sure I'd want to live there. :-)

On the other hand, if you gave me a beach house on the Gulf...

I lived on Sanibel for almost a year (1983) but winter made me run to
the peaceful town of Estero. Now I am buried again.
Sanibel is a strange place. They like to pretend they are a lightly
developed island but the population density is one of the higest in
the county. The bushes hide it but the houses are on tiny lots. In my
(rental) house there on East Gulf we felt like we had to pull our feet
up in bed when a car went past because we were so close to the road.
(grey piling house at Shell Basket and Gulf). It was tolerable in the
summer but in winter cars went by all night long. This is in the zig
zags between the causeway road (old Hilton) and Donax. I lost a
mailbox and a pygmy date palm to cars that missed the turn. Another
one smacked that big queen palm in the yard and lost the battle.

my parents almost bought us a house on Pine Island about 10 years
back, really wish I had known, I would have pushed them a little.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:25 -0000,
wrote:

my parents almost bought us a house on Pine Island about 10 years
back, really wish I had known, I would have pushed them a little.

Pine Island is *very* different from Sanibel, still a lot of open
space on Pine Island and some reasonable values. Except for a couple
deep canals however, the water is extremely shallow for anything more
than a flats boat.

On Jul 10, 11:35 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:25 -0000,
wrote:

my parents almost bought us a house on Pine Island about 10 years
back, really wish I had known, I would have pushed them a little.

Pine Island is *very* different from Sanibel, still a lot of open
space on Pine Island and some reasonable values. Except for a couple
deep canals however, the water is extremely shallow for anything more
than a flats boat.

The place was on 1/8 acre, with a canal to the ocean. They were going
to buy it from some friends, were going to pay only 45,000. They
decided to stay north instead. I understand it had a gutter and a
garage wall come down in the hurricaine.

On Jul 9, 8:57 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
People SUCK! Remember?

Try hanging around with a better class of people. Or are you part of what
they'd consider the "suck" part?

No. All people suck, some. Some more than others of course. Likewise
all people do NOT suck, some. It's very analogous to the good vs. evil
internal battle many religions cite in their doctrines.

I've seen many a very happy, peaceful and joyous celebration activity
turn nasty because of people who SUCK showing up, especially when
alcohol is involved. Many annual events I've attended year after year
devolve into rowdy drunken fests that SUCK, because an influx of many
many people who do not know how to enjoy alcohol without SUCKING!!!
And they ruin it for the rest of us. Many times it's crowds of younger
people too. But not always. The common theme is that these events are
ruined by people who SUCK! They are inconsiderate of others, cause
problems, etc. I'm sure you know the type, and I hope you're not one
of them.

I know I'm not! :-)

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:53:25 -0000,
wrote:

The place was on 1/8 acre, with a canal to the ocean. They were going
to buy it from some friends, were going to pay only 45,000. They
decided to stay north instead. I understand it had a gutter and a
garage wall come down in the hurricaine.

Pine Island is surrounded by Pine Island Sound on two sides, Port
Charlotte Harbor to the north, and Matlacha Pass to the east. The
north end got whacked pretty badly by hurricane Charlie three years
ago. There were literally miles of telephone poles that had been
snapped in two like match sticks. $45K is an excellent price for any
land on a deep water canal, even with no structure on it.

On Jul 10, 3:29 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:53:25 -0000,
wrote:

The place was on 1/8 acre, with a canal to the ocean. They were going
to buy it from some friends, were going to pay only 45,000. They
decided to stay north instead. I understand it had a gutter and a
garage wall come down in the hurricaine.

Pine Island is surrounded by Pine Island Sound on two sides, Port
Charlotte Harbor to the north, and Matlacha Pass to the east. The
north end got whacked pretty badly by hurricane Charlie three years
ago. There were literally miles of telephone poles that had been
snapped in two like match sticks. $45K is an excellent price for any
land on a deep water canal, even with no structure on it.

I know, it was long time friends who offered it, with a canal, house
and furnishings. Another friend ended up buying it.

Police Crack Down On Brews, Canoes

POSTED: 12:11 pm EDT July 10, 2007
UPDATED: 1:50 pm EDT July 10, 2007


LEBANON, Ohio -- Officials in southwest Ohio are cracking down on
drinking and rowdy behavior by boaters on the Little Miami River.

The Warren County prosecutor's office and officers from several
agencies combined to issue 189 citations last weekend near Caesar
Creek, about 30 miles south of Dayton.

"It ought to be a nice, family sporting event," said Prosecutor Rachel
Hutzel. "It's turned into a drunken party."


Hutzel said the sweep, which involved more than 40 police officers
manning six checkpoints on the river, was the result of numerous
complaints.

The majority of citations -- 147 of them - rapped boaters for having
open containers of alcohol, and 22 were for underage consumption or
possession, she said.

A few citations were written for littering or trespassing, and three
people were found to have outstanding warrants for their arrest,
Hutzel said.

The Ohio Department of Natural Resources and nine other agencies
joined in the weekend program.

At Morgan's Canoe Livery, signs are posted warning that alcoholic
drinks are illegal.

Large groups are required to sign waivers agreeing to warn members of
their party against drinking on the river, and some carry-on
containers are inspected.

"Some people are bound and determined to drink. (and) it's kind of
hard to stop them," said employee Mary Ash. "They sneak it in their
coolers."

http://www.wlwt.com/news/13654177/detail.html

"HK" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami
River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River.
Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open
containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and
forced to
pay a hefty fine.
Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature.
The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure
the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.
Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were
looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the
Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude
and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.
The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who
say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in
over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.
The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life
jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the
most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is
to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash.
Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep
Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to
drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but
officials in
Warren County are not saying when.
http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...
Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted
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Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.

There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".

I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.

No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)



You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of
booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat
with open containers of booze visible is ok?


It is here in Michigan. You can't be under the influence and operate a
boat, but there are no laws against having open containers.

--
www.mattclara.com

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer
anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme.

Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle".

Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see
them fight it out in court.

New law in PA.... http://tinyurl.com/yso4hg

Steve