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200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 7, 11:43?pm, Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Oh jiggers the cops are comin Why can't they leave us alone Keep paddlin while I'm dumpin No beer in Ohio. Gotta get done with it Swallow the evidence down Should have been done long ago There's my whole six pack Soaking into the ground A case woulda been quite a blow Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, (etc) Oh jiggers the cops are comin Why can't they leave us alone Keep paddlin while I'm dumpin No beer in Ohio No beer in Ohio (how many more?) No beer in Ohio (will I have to pour?) No beer in Ohio There are some darn good reasons not to drink while boating. The skipper really needs to blow zero. Passengers who become intoxicated are more likely to wind up in the water and will be less able to assist in their own or some other person's rescue. Studies have shown that the marine environment tends to increase the effects of alcohol. Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. The news bit didn't imply that all or even any of the boaters were legally intoxicated. A town big enough to turn out 45 cops (to write a total of 200 beer-related tickets) has to have a mayor, city council, etc. I guess we can all be sure that when the politicians all gather for a party on the mayor's yacht that there will be no open containers or consumption of alcohol anywhere aboard. Some boaters have and enforce a no-alcohol policy aboard their boats. I'm not opposed to a guest having a beer or a glass of wine, within moderation. As long as the operator waits until the boat is at its final destination for the day before imbibing, the cops shouldn't be busting beer. Public intoxication, lewd or rowdy behavior, public urination, etc, deserve to be ticketed and should be.......but even if it's borderline unwise a non-operating adult shouldn't be ticketed for holding a can of beer on a boat. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
I agree, NO BOOZE...times have changed. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle". Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see them fight it out in court. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 11:52 am, "Jim" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | All in all, I don't allow any alcoholic beverages on my boat. Most of my friends don't drink, and the ones that do don't give me any hassle about my "rule". Carylyle Lake does a pretty good sweep a couple times a year too. They don't get wild about "open seal" though, but when none of the boats occupants can pass the breath blower, then things get interesting. And it does happen. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River.
Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. .. . . The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep .. . . http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 How many of the people who responded actually read (and understood) the article? Apparently not many. This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. I don't know the details of the river but expect that it is similar to a few of them around here where people go to kick back while canoeing or tubing. They are slow, shallow, wide enough to not be difficult but narrow enough to easily wade across. You would need to be really wasted (like not be able to stand up) to be in significant danger on them. The Cannon (near Cannon Falls, MN) is longer, the primary activity is using a canoe barely faster than drifting, and the activities are very quiet. The Apple (near Somerset, WI) has a very different reputation. The water has a small "rapids" at the end of the commonly used zone. Googling for "apple river" wisconsin alcohol family, brought this up as the 2nd result. DrinkingStuff - Content - Pictures - Details Apple River, Wisconsin... Apple River, Wisconsin... +Zoom In Submitted on Oct 28, ... what no more alcohol??!! ...shh, you'll wake the baby. Jump to page: ... www.drinkingstuff.com/pictures/97 - 47k WARNIING: NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY The primary activity is tubing. You park your butt in an inner tube and drift along the river. There are campgrounds along the river that have tube rental and some people go there to party with their underage friends and/or get REALLY drunk and obnoxious. From what I have heard, it used to be a lot worse than it is now. The local people decided that things were getting out of hand and convinced the county sheriff's department to spend some time cracking down on: underage drinking, public drunkenness, public sex acts, and littering. There are warnings about this and you are supposed to pay a deposit on every container you leave with. I have been down it several times in the last 15 years and never saw significant nudity but saw a number of obnoxious drunks. We generally have a cooler in it's own tube and have a 2-4 beers in the few hours it takes to drift through the trees. More fun that soaking in a hot tub. Usually the tubes are tied together into a raft and whomever is towards the front gives a quick (and sometimes surprised) call of "butts up" to warn people about a rock near the surface. -- Bill |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
John Kuthe wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:47:28 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". It's a little more complicated than that. The combination of alcohol and sun can lead to dehydration - even one can cause the effect if one hasn't taken precautions by drinking non-caffinated beverages like water or a sports drink. Even one 12 ounce can of beer can do the trick - in particular if somebody hasn't eaten or had some water along the way. If you are just sitting on your house deck, drinking a beer and eating a burger, that's not going to create a problem as such. On a boat, that's a whole different story. Movement, wind, the accelerated dual effect of direct sun and reflected sun can dehydrate you in short order. Add 12 ounces of beer, it's possible that you can have or be a problem in short order. The sad thing is you won't even know it until it happens. All of a sudden, exhaustion sets in. A cold beer sounds gppd and the effect in compounded. When I was active with the local Vollies, I've seen it happen a number of times on local lakes - I only had one beer. Never doubted it for a second. :) I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. Not the issue and I'm surprised that you would make such a statement. An open container law bans an open container of alcohol in the passenger compartment of a vehicle and/or boat. The goal is to stop people from drinking and driving, it almost goes without saying that an open container law should stop people from drinking WHILE driving. And that's really the issue - drinking while driving and boating. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You ought to check our own state's Open Container law then because it's one of the more drastic ones in terms of fines and effects. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:48:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle". Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see them fight it out in court. The definition of vehicle is: Any means in or by which someone travels or something is carried or conveyed; a means of conveyance or transport. Vehicles that do not travel on land can be properly referred to as "craft". Crafts are still vehicles. That's a good point. Unless there is a law against public consumption. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:53:32 -0400, animal05
wrote: Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws You have to be careful with absolutes. Technically, Connecticut is not in compliance with the Federal Open Container requirements, but if an open container in found in a vehicle in the course of a vehicle/traffic stop, a field sobriety and/or BAT is required of the driver. That was a recent change and I believe of the 13 states that are not compliant have similar laws. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:53:32 -0400, animal05 wrote: Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws You have to be careful with absolutes. Technically, Connecticut is not in compliance with the Federal Open Container requirements, but if an open container in found in a vehicle in the course of a vehicle/traffic stop, a field sobriety and/or BAT is required of the driver. That was a recent change and I believe of the 13 states that are not compliant have similar laws. Don't get me wrong, this is one area where I think the fed guvmint is right :-) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:46:38 -0400, animal05
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:53:32 -0400, animal05 wrote: Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws You have to be careful with absolutes. Technically, Connecticut is not in compliance with the Federal Open Container requirements, but if an open container in found in a vehicle in the course of a vehicle/traffic stop, a field sobriety and/or BAT is required of the driver. That was a recent change and I believe of the 13 states that are not compliant have similar laws. Don't get me wrong, this is one area where I think the fed guvmint is right :-) I agree. CT is an odd state with quite possibly the most moronic legislature in the 50 states second only to RI and/or MA. You would think that they would be all over this, but curiously they aren't. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:30:33 -0500, "B Fuhrmann"
wrote: This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. --Vic |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
HK wrote:
John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, While all of my question and comments are civil, yours always seem to be the exact opposite, why is that? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
HK wrote:
John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, Why have you decided to change your name from Harry Krause to HK? Did you decried it does make sense to follow the advice of internet security experts and use a handle instead of your name? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:14:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:30:33 -0500, "B Fuhrmann" wrote: This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. In particular if it was Lieutenant Mitch Buchannon . It goes without saying that if C.J. Parker arrested you...well...resistance would be futile. :) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 5:28 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
It goes without saying that if C.J. Parker arrested you...well...resistance would be futile. I'd be forced to counter-sue. Assault with deadly wepons. Not counting brutality. =:0 (Not only so, but the risk of catching a dose of Hepetitis C) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:37:38 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:28 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: It goes without saying that if C.J. Parker arrested you...well...resistance would be futile. I'd be forced to counter-sue. Assault with deadly wepons. Not counting brutality. =:0 Ah - Assault With Pointy Balloons. (Not only so, but the risk of catching a dose of Hepetitis C) Yeah - well, you know... Ya' takes 'yer chances. Besides, it would be fun watching her try and catch you as you run away. Assuming that you can run faster backwards than forwards. :) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, While all of my question and comments are civil, yours always seem to be the exact opposite, why is that? He's a pig-headed asshole. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, Why have you decided to change your name from Harry Krause to HK? Did you decried it does make sense to follow the advice of internet security experts and use a handle instead of your name? That's a secret. The lobster boat is another secret. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:48:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle". Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see them fight it out in court. In New Mexico it's illegal to drink alcohol "in the public view". You can be drunk as a skunk in the mall but you can't drink a beer in your own living room with the curtins open. Mark E. Williams |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Dan wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, While all of my question and comments are civil, yours always seem to be the exact opposite, why is that? He's a pig-headed asshole. This must be the "real" Dan. The other Dan was literate. Well, time to dump the "real" Dan back in the dumpster. B'uh-bye, turdbrain! |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
HK wrote:
Dan wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: John Kuthe wrote: On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me. Harry, While all of my question and comments are civil, yours always seem to be the exact opposite, why is that? He's a pig-headed asshole. This must be the "real" Dan. The other Dan was literate. Well, time to dump the "real" Dan back in the dumpster. B'uh-bye, turdbrain! Nice performance, Harry, but you have selectively ignored my other posts. You should try to be more consistent. How are things at Ullico? http://www.nlpc.org/olap/congress/020501.htm |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
By this statement, I should be able, as a passenger in a car, to hoist
my open can of brew in a salute to the Fuzz in the next lane. Care to estimate how long it would take for him to hit the skids, and swoop in on the 6 O'clock for the kill? I'm not sure you know it, but there IS an open container law here in Washington. Please explain the legal difference between a boat and a car in this scenario. JR Chuck Gould wrote: but even if it's borderline unwise a non-operating adult shouldn't be ticketed for holding a can of beer on a boat. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages
Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. It wouldn't be a lifeguard arresting you. If they are like Minnesota, the state parks and larger park systems have their own police officers and the others can bring in the local authorities quickly. However, they have better things to do than bust people for alcohol unless they are causing a problem. While on a camping trip at a state park, we had a group site (secluded, away from the main sites). We went for a late night hike and talked with a state park ranger along the way. He casually asked if we had any alcohol, then said that if we did, we shouldn't carry it around (we wouldn't anyway) or be overly loud. I volunteer with a local (Three Rivers Park District) park district. The "park patrol" is around for information and first aid. After appropriate training, we use the trails (skate, bike, hike, ski) and watch for people who need assistance. Usually it is just to help people figure out where they are or where something is. However, if we see a problem, we will call the dispatcher for the park police. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 8:59?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are some important differences between cars and boats. In most states it's also illegal to operate your car unless everybody is in a seat belt and normally a shoulder harness. Would you propose a similar restriction for boats? A car is nothing more than vehicle of conveyance, while a boat can be simultaneously a conveyance and a means of accommodation. I don't suggest the skipper should be drinking underway, but busting the skipper seated up on the flybridge because a guest down in the salon is having a cold beer or a glass of Merlot on a summer afternoon is way over the top. Good thing there's no actual crime in Ohio, thereby freeing 45 of the local cops to spend an afternoon preventing the consumption of beer on the Little Miami river. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 9:17?am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So in my opinion we should target the problem people, not a common behavior in which (as you note) many will participate with voluntary and responsible restraint. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 8:59?am, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are some important differences between cars and boats. In most states it's also illegal to operate your car unless everybody is in a seat belt and normally a shoulder harness. Would you propose a similar restriction for boats? A car is nothing more than vehicle of conveyance, while a boat can be simultaneously a conveyance and a means of accommodation. I don't suggest the skipper should be drinking underway, but busting the skipper seated up on the flybridge because a guest down in the salon is having a cold beer or a glass of Merlot on a summer afternoon is way over the top. Good thing there's no actual crime in Ohio, thereby freeing 45 of the local cops to spend an afternoon preventing the consumption of beer on the Little Miami river. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about booze and boats, Chuck. So far this year, I've had two beers, and both were consumed in my den after spending four hours mowing my lawn and field. I have one friend who is an alcoholic. When he comes aboard, I restrict his cooler to two beers. Maybe once or twice a year, I have a beer on board, but only while anchored or in a slip. I don't believe the case you cited involved drinking a glass of wine in the salon. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 10:06?am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:52 am, "Jim" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | All in all, I don't allow any alcoholic beverages on my boat. Most of my friends don't drink, and the ones that do don't give me any hassle about my "rule". And it should indeed be the skipper's privilege to formulate an alcohol policy for his or her boat. And it would be for the best if more boaters had a policy similar to yours......but should it be a *crime* to allow a guest to enjoy a beer while underway? I think not. Carylyle Lake does a pretty good sweep a couple times a year too. They don't get wild about "open seal" though, but when none of the boats occupants can pass the breath blower, then things get interesting. And it does happen.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 12:32?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:47:28 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". It's a little more complicated than that. The combination of alcohol and sun can lead to dehydration - even one can cause the effect if one hasn't taken precautions by drinking non-caffinated beverages like water or a sports drink. Even one 12 ounce can of beer can do the trick - in particular if somebody hasn't eaten or had some water along the way. If you are just sitting on your house deck, drinking a beer and eating a burger, that's not going to create a problem as such. On a boat, that's a whole different story. Movement, wind, the accelerated dual effect of direct sun and reflected sun can dehydrate you in short order. Add 12 ounces of beer, it's possible that you can have or be a problem in short order. The sad thing is you won't even know it until it happens. All of a sudden, exhaustion sets in. A cold beer sounds gppd and the effect in compounded. When I was active with the local Vollies, I've seen it happen a number of times on local lakes - I only had one beer. Never doubted it for a second. :) I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. Not the issue and I'm surprised that you would make such a statement. An open container law bans an open container of alcohol in the passenger compartment of a vehicle and/or boat. The goal is to stop people from drinking and driving, it almost goes without saying that an open container law should stop people from drinking WHILE driving. And that's really the issue - drinking while driving and boating. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You ought to check our own state's Open Container law then because it's one of the more drastic ones in terms of fines and effects. I agree that it's questionable to allow people to drink on board, but there's a sliding scale of risk that effectively decreases as the size of the boat increases. Those large charter and sightseeing boats run non-stop bars. Booze was easily available on our recent cruise ship vacation 24 hours a day. 2400 passengers, most of them drinking at least a little bit every day for a week straight and some almost non- stop, and not a single incident where the safety of the vessel was compromised or the risk of going overboard was dramatically increased. I offer again my example from earlier in this thread. Joe Doaks has a party of guests out for an afternoon cruise. Joe isn't drinking, and in fact he's piloting the boat from the flybridge. Down below in the salon, Mrs. Doaks is serving Margaritas to a couple guests of legal drinking age. Is Joe Doaks a criminal? Should he be hauled into court and made to answer for his behavior? In many states, certain boating offenses cross reference to your vehicular driving license, so should stone sober Joe's car insurance be cancelled or his premiums be doubled because somebody else on his boat (well out of reach of the skipper) had an alcoholic beverage? Last year at our Seafair hydroplane races the Seattle cops did one of these mass arrest deals. They had to rent portable jails to lock up everybody they were processing. The difference was, the Seattle cops where targeting people exhibiting drunken behavior (not merely people who might be having a beer while watching the hydroplane races). The Seattle cops also focused on underage drinkers. I've always like the European approach to alcohol. In many societies it's common to serve beer to school kids, and entire families often enjoy a drink together. The difference is that becoming publicly intoxicated is a very serious screw up, and getting caught DWI will typically result in very serious punishment even for "first offenders". |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
"Corsair23" wrote in message
ups.com... I agree, NO BOOZE...times have changed. That's just law enforcement grandstanding to "appear" they are doing something... gee? Who put out the press release??? heh Silly sheeple. Last night we had we had a "fireworks party" out at the T41 "Beer Can Island". It took me 13 minutes to get there on plane at 7pm.... it took me 1.5 hours to get home trolling at 1200 rpm at 12:30AM with a BAC of between .08 and .10. I'm *very* hesitant to plane the boat out at night in the dark anyway, because I'm afraid some drunk fisherman will have his lights off. But I never **EVER** go above troll if drinking. For one thing, the marine patroll doesn't bother inobtrusive trolling people... and further it's just not safe... and yes I wore my PFD to pee off the swim platform - just in case. :) I'm very aware and very sensitive to drunk boaters - my cousin was (famously) killed by one in NH on a Memorial Day weekend. But that *doesn't* mean my sence of right and wrong change with the wind of public opinion. A drinking boater or a canoe at NO speed can't really hurt a fly. The possible exception being *themselves* if they fall in the water and drown... and I don't want Big Brother Nanny interfering with good old fashioned Darwinism. :) I have no problem with little boats (and pontoons) running at "headway speed" with a load of beer and good old boys with fishing poles aboard. HOWEVER... I'm all for throwing the book at BUI's up on plane. All the Marine Patroll has to do is look for "strange behavior" in order to get the real assholes off the water. Not some bull**** PR stunt, a "sweep" like that is waste or resources and money. (but it looks good in print) Personally... after the last few days... I think the flaming idiots who run a tube side to side in the travel channels are the worst problem. I've had **way** too many chances to contribute to Darwinism by running thier sniveling offspring on a rope over. I'll take a **trolling** drunk any day over those child endangering assholes. -W W: Charlie.... kill the stereo and start the motor. please. C: WHY??? W: Because I see a boat comeing up way too fast for 3AM, and I'm afraid he's even drunker than we are (if that's even humanly possible). I just wanna be ready to get TF out of his way if he's too blind to see our anchor light. You can kill it again when he's gone by us.... |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:18:07 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Harry, Why have you decided to change your name from Harry Krause to HK? Did you decried it does make sense to follow the advice of internet security experts and use a handle instead of your name? Reginald, Why do you insist on reposting every single bit of previous drivel instead of snipping to something half way relevant? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:53:32 -0400, animal05
wrote: Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws Note that the federal guidelines apply to: 1. Motor vehicles 2. Vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway |
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