Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM


Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to
pay a hefty fine.

Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.

Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.

The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.

The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep

Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in
Warren County are not saying when.

http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7


Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.

I agree, NO BOOZE...times have changed.

"Corsair23" wrote in message
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I agree, NO BOOZE...times have changed.


That's just law enforcement grandstanding to "appear" they are doing
something... gee? Who put out the press release??? heh

Silly sheeple.

Last night we had we had a "fireworks party" out at the T41 "Beer Can
Island". It took me 13 minutes to get there on plane at 7pm.... it took
me 1.5 hours to get home trolling at 1200 rpm at 12:30AM with a BAC of
between .08 and .10.

I'm *very* hesitant to plane the boat out at night in the dark anyway,
because I'm afraid some drunk fisherman will have his lights off. But I
never **EVER** go above troll if drinking. For one thing, the marine patroll
doesn't bother inobtrusive trolling people... and further it's just not
safe... and yes I wore my PFD to pee off the swim platform - just in case.


I'm very aware and very sensitive to drunk boaters - my cousin was
(famously) killed by one in NH on a Memorial Day weekend. But that *doesn't*
mean my sence of right and wrong change with the wind of public opinion. A
drinking boater or a canoe at NO speed can't really hurt a fly. The possible
exception being *themselves* if they fall in the water and drown... and I
don't want Big Brother Nanny interfering with good old fashioned Darwinism.


I have no problem with little boats (and pontoons) running at "headway
speed" with a load of beer and good old boys with fishing poles aboard.
HOWEVER... I'm all for throwing the book at BUI's up on plane. All the
Marine Patroll has to do is look for "strange behavior" in order to get the
real assholes off the water. Not some bull**** PR stunt, a "sweep" like that
is waste or resources and money. (but it looks good in print)

Personally... after the last few days... I think the flaming idiots who run
a tube side to side in the travel channels are the worst problem. I've had
**way** too many chances to contribute to Darwinism by running thier
sniveling offspring on a rope over. I'll take a **trolling** drunk any day
over those child endangering assholes.

-W

W: Charlie.... kill the stereo and start the motor. please.
C: WHY???
W: Because I see a boat comeing up way too fast for 3AM, and I'm afraid he's
even drunker than we are (if that's even humanly possible). I just wanna be
ready to get TF out of his way if he's too blind to see our anchor light.
You can kill it again when he's gone by us....

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:27:50 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

I have no problem with little boats (and pontoons) running at "headway
speed" with a load of beer and good old boys with fishing poles aboard.
HOWEVER... I'm all for throwing the book at BUI's up on plane. All the
Marine Patroll has to do is look for "strange behavior" in order to get the
real assholes off the water. Not some bull**** PR stunt, a "sweep" like that
is waste or resources and money. (but it looks good in print)

Ah - I get it.

Slow drunk boaters are better than fast drunk boaters.

Unbelievable.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:27:50 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

I have no problem with little boats (and pontoons) running at "headway
speed" with a load of beer and good old boys with fishing poles aboard.
HOWEVER... I'm all for throwing the book at BUI's up on plane. All the
Marine Patroll has to do is look for "strange behavior" in order to get
the
real assholes off the water. Not some bull**** PR stunt, a "sweep" like
that
is waste or resources and money. (but it looks good in print)

Ah - I get it.

Slow drunk boaters are better than fast drunk boaters.

Unbelievable.

I'll take 50 slow drunk boats to one fast one anyday.
Unless you're suspending all the laws of physics (like mass and inertia)
then yes.. I'd say the above statement is a no brainer. Quite believable.
In fact, if they are at anchor and stopped (with the light on) they can be
passed out on the boat for all I care - they are harmless and moot. The
bigger the boat and the faster it's going - the more potential problem it
becomes. Simple math.

Small drunk boats trolling (or paddling) around (on closed lakes) are very
unlikely to cause any real trouble. IMHO the biggest risk they face is not
having the Situational Awareness (SA) to react in time to power up to get
out of the way of the *real* problem... the drunks who are driving the boats
at normal speeds or faster.

Like I said.. back "in the day" Charlie and I spent many a night on Little
Sebago in poor condition. What scared *me* was the idiots running too fast
and some without the lights on. Even hearing a boat coming caused us to get
nervous.

-W

On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM

Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to
pay a hefty fine.

Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.

Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.

The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.

The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep

Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in
Warren County are not saying when.

http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...

Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.

There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".

I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.

No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to
pay a hefty fine.
Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.
Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.
The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.
The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep
Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in
Warren County are not saying when.
http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...
Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.

There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".

I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.

No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)



You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of
booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a
boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami
River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami
River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open
containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and
forced to
pay a hefty fine.
Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the
temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make
sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.
Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were
looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on
the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of
rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.
The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials
who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in
over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.
The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life
jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the
most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown
is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a
splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep
Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to
drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but
officials in
Warren County are not saying when.
http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...

Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.

There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".

I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.

No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)



You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of
booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a
boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?


I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on
hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you
just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you?

On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami
River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami
River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open
containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and
forced to
pay a hefty fine.
Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the
temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make
sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.
Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were
looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on
the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of
rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.
The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials
who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in
over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.
The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life
jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the
most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown
is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a
splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep
Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to
drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but
officials in
Warren County are not saying when.
http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...

Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.

There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".

I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.

No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)

You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of
booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a
boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?

I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on
hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you
just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you?

People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of
control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly
good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are
enjoying alcohol responsibly.

People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior
all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins
the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-(

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami
River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami
River. Officials
in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open
containers
to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and
forced to
pay a hefty fine.
Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the
temperature. The main
objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make
sure the
Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family.
Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were
looking to put
a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on
the Little
Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of
rude and
obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done.
The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials
who say
alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in
over a few
hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people.
The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life
jacket
violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the
most
popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown
is to make
sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a
splash. Dozens
of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep
Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to
drinking
water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but
officials in
Warren County are not saying when.
http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6...
Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the
tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer
in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody
other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that
shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat
operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable
practice and not a crime. IMO.
There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and
being a "drunk".
I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history.
Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a
doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would
probably lynch somebody found with a joint.
No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-)
You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of
booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a
boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?
I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on
hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you
just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you?

People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of
control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly
good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are
enjoying alcohol responsibly.

People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior
all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins
the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-(

John Kuthe...



What's interesting is that the flaming asshole known here for the moment
as Reggie Smithers *still" directs questions and comments to me.