HK wrote:
One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

That's a good one, Harry.

Never looked at it that way.

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.



One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

Do you imagine that your imaginary lobster boat is faster and more exciting?

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.



One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

My mental image...........the trawler crawling WOT at 7 knots.........Perry
Como laying across the rear cockpit seat looking up at the sky and
singing............falling asleep thinking about it.............

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:


As far as "can't run the inlet", etc, comments further down the
thread...pooh, pooh. One of the oldest maritime traditions is working
*with* the winds and currents to get around.


For a motorless sailboat or rowboat, absolutely. Glad to see you have a
rationalization for every occasion!

On Jul 7, 7:41?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:

As far as "can't run the inlet", etc, comments further down the
thread...pooh, pooh. One of the oldest maritime traditions is working
*with* the winds and currents to get around.

For a motorless sailboat or rowboat, absolutely. Glad to see you have a
rationalization for every occasion!


My favorite local example of horsepower being substituted for brains
and seamanship is a little waterway known as Deception Pass. (Due to
the high volume of current, the orginal Spanish explorers charted the
pass as a "river mouth". When Vancouver used the Spaish charts as a
basis for his exploration of the NE Pacific he realized the flow was
tidal current through a pass, not a river mouth, and so he named the
pass "Deception" to acknowledge that it had fooled the Spanish).

Anyway, Deception Pass is between the north end of Whidbey Island and
the south end of Fidalgo Island. 8 knot currents are common during
maximum ebb or flood. Large groups of boats, including all varieties
of power boats and of course all sailboats gather at either end of the
pass to wait for slack water to transit through. Those waiting for
slack will include boaters with 1400 HP boats capable of doing 20-30
kt or more.
An 8 knot current certainly wouldn't impede a 20-knot boat, but there
are some *extremely* good reasons why the sea savvy either wait for
slack or skillfully time their arrival at the pass during slack water.

The pass is narrow, (hence the velocity of flow), and peppered with
rocks along each edge. When the pass is running, random whirlpools
form without much warning and can collapse just as quickly. A boat
with any draft at all can easily be diverted from what needs to be a
reasonably precise course. Our local waters are notorious for drift
and deadheads, so deadfall and logging debris are swept through the
pass at nearly every flood or ebb. It gets very interesting when a 20-
foot length of phone pole diameter drift wood gets sucked under by a
whirlpool, carried along the stream until the vortex collapses, and
then comes shooting back up through the surface like some wooden
missle launched from a submarine- it renews a person's respect for the
awesome power of the sea. Nobody builds a pleasure boat that would be
immune to damage from a vertically launched battering ram. Drift that
isn't sucked under to come shooting back through the surface 50 or 100
yards downstream can run at any position through the pass, including
"sideways", and that could leave very little room for a vessel to
dodge aroudn the end of the log and the edge of the rocks.

A tiny percentage of people will run the pass at any current state.
They often boast about their stupidity. I once heard one remark, "I've
got enough power to run 20 knots, so I can still make 8-10 knots
through the pass!" I wonder who he thinks is "steering" that oncoming
40-foot phone pole spinning through the whirlpools at 8 knots?

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

any thoughts?

I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html

In reading the testimonials, one guy with a 246 mentioned:
"The 140 hp Suzuki outboard has worked out well. We burn a little less
than two gal/hr at a cruising speed of 12 knots when loaded with
provisions and fuel for an extended run. When we drop to hull speed,
she burns very little fuel."

Lots of choices out there, and configurations to play with.
For instance what if you put two 50's on the above boat?
Now you have engine redundancy.
Cruising speed? Fuel consumption?
Don't know but it would be fun to find out.

--Vic

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html


great boat...but gotta find a used one at a reasonable price...hard to
do...

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:56:21 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html


great boat...but gotta find a used one at a reasonable price...hard to
do...

Yeah, it's an "investment."
Probably 40k for one a dozen years old.
That's why Bayliner sells more boats.
When you have to plunk down 40 large, you look for alternatives.
Cost-wise I'm looking for more of a Chevy type boat, but could move up
to a Buick, which might be equated to a 12 year old Rosborough.
But the Rosborough isn't as disposable as a car, and should hold some
value a bit longer.

--Vic

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html

One extra advantage to the RF246 is trailerability. That in itself
can save a lot of time and fuel if you want to cruise outside of your
regular area.

I've talked to several owners and they have all been very positive.
It's not an offshore boat of course.