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So? What's the point? And what has this to do
with
poison
ivy?-
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Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global
Warming is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get
a
second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want
to
fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know
what
I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone
agrees
that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether
human
activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the
same
rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me
how
it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

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So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The
reporter
asked
if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy,
website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes,
that,
er,
um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth,
as
well
as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more
potent
oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at
the
new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters
(what
is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super
ivy
on
the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually
about 10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time...
Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this
discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub
in
the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a
gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre
landscaped
for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the
woods
in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers
and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the
trees of
the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life
scout
who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking,
survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a
degree
to
know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty
understanding
how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be
so
different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a
wall
which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a
totally
different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking
transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

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Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical
strain
of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a
"strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing
conditions?
Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means,
right?-
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Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a
schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes
to PI
or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing
your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and
even
change my mind.

What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide
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Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying
questions
you asked me.

Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience,
or
general knowledge a person must have to have what you would
consider a
legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to
agree
with you to qualify?

- High school biology, enough to understand the difference between
two
different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving
differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you
finish
high
school?

- Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I
don't
mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons".

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OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated
opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you
catch that frekin' windmill soon

35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"?

What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this
entire
discussion revolves?- Hide quoted text -

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35 Years of reading huh? I got 45 living, playing, and making my
living outdoors so I still think I probably know as much about poison
ivy as you do. Maybe more. Yer book lernin' ain't **** compared to
real experience...- Hide quoted text -

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Oh and BTW, that famous book by Frank and Rosenthal does not make you
a botanist... just another pot farmer like bassy

I see. You find out something you don't know, and you attack. By tomorrow,
you'll say I'm a rapist.

I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come
along, we can argue, he can drive.

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK

wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to
do
with
poison
ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global
Warming is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks
get
a
second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you
want
to
fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I
know
what
I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone
agrees
that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether
human
activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at
the
same
rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell
me
how
it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The
reporter
asked
if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy,
website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes,
that,
er,
um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy
growth,
as
well
as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce
more
potent
oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking
at
the
new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters
(what
is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have
super
ivy
on
the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually
about 10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time...
Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve
this
discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a
shrub
in
the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you
been a
gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre
landscaped
for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in
the
woods
in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in
flowers
and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the
trees of
the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a
life
scout
who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking,
survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a
degree
to
know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty
understanding
how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can
be
so
different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to
a
wall
which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a
totally
different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking
transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a
mythical
strain
of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know
it's a
"strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing
conditions?
Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that
means,
right?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a
schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it
comes
to PI
or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in
hearing
your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn
and
even
change my mind.

What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?-
Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying
questions
you asked me.

Then you could explain to me what level of education,
experience,
or
general knowledge a person must have to have what you would
consider a
legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to
agree
with you to qualify?

- High school biology, enough to understand the difference
between
two
different "strains", and two genetically identical plants
behaving
differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you
finish
high
school?

- Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and
I
don't
mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons".

- Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated
opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you
catch that frekin' windmill soon

35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"?

What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this
entire
discussion revolves?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

35 Years of reading huh? I got 45 living, playing, and making my
living outdoors so I still think I probably know as much about poison
ivy as you do. Maybe more. Yer book lernin' ain't **** compared to
real experience...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh and BTW, that famous book by Frank and Rosenthal does not make you
a botanist... just another pot farmer like bassy

I see. You find out something you don't know, and you attack. By
tomorrow,
you'll say I'm a rapist.

I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come
along, we can argue, he can drive.


The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing.
For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say
seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into
contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country.

Don't threaten me doug, I don't take kindly to threats.

On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come
along, we can argue, he can drive.

The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing.
For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say
seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into
contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country.

Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten
though, someone might take you more seriously than I do.

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I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come
along, we can argue, he can drive.

The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing.
For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say
seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come
into
contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country.

Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten
though, someone might take you more seriously than I do.




Sorry about the strong language. I was tired and out of patience.

Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking about,
and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words
that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set your
hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said
something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The
absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that
although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high degree
of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not
qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to
those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine
years.

That's just plain silly.

None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment in
the newspaper article, which you still haven't read.

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On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come
along, we can argue, he can drive.

The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing.
For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say
seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come
into
contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country.

Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten
though, someone might take you more seriously than I do.




Sorry about the strong language. I was tired and out of patience.

Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking about,
and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words
that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set your
hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said
something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The
absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that
although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high degree
of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not
qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to
those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine
years.

That's just plain silly.

None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment in
the newspaper article, which you still haven't read.


Don't you just love being able to read minds, to know what others know, to
know what they're inventing, to know when they realize and when they
decide, to know what they believe, and even what they've read?

Omniscience is great, isn't it?
--
John H

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On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is
really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come
up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to
come
along, we can argue, he can drive.

The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves
fishing.
For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say
seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come
into
contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country.

Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten
though, someone might take you more seriously than I do.




Sorry about the strong language. I was tired and out of patience.

Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking
about,
and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words
that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set
your
hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said
something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The
absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that
although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high
degree
of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not
qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to
those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine
years.

That's just plain silly.

None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment
in
the newspaper article, which you still haven't read.


Don't you just love being able to read minds, to know what others know, to
know what they're inventing, to know when they realize and when they
decide, to know what they believe, and even what they've read?

Omniscience is great, isn't it?
--
John H

Would you agree that some plants lose their leaves in winter?

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:37:24 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:42:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking
about,
and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words
that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set
your
hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said
something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The
absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that
although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high
degree
of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not
qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to
those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine
years.

That's just plain silly.

None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment
in
the newspaper article, which you still haven't read.


Don't you just love being able to read minds, to know what others know, to
know what they're inventing, to know when they realize and when they
decide, to know what they believe, and even what they've read?

Omniscience is great, isn't it?
--
John H

Would you agree that some plants lose their leaves in winter?


Why would one who is omniscient *ever* ask a question?
--
John H

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:37:24 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Would you agree that some plants lose their leaves in winter?

Two yeasr ago, I wanted to know how many leaves I raked in the fall
and spring on my various properties.

So I weighed the truck empty and weighed each load I took to the
composter.

When I was finished, I had moved 1,800 pounds of leaves.

Amazing huh?

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:29:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Omniscience is great, isn't it?

It is a terrible burden, but one I accept willingly.