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On Jun 27, 11:09 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 27, 11:00 pm, wrote: On Jun 27, 10:47 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 10:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 27, 10:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 6:03 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 4:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 2:45 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:nub5835mleag0i92ndmmm12e683re4u4va@4ax .com... On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 9:25 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:xdydnTyo58qlXRzbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast. com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote: So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing changes in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon before stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead. Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know. You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the planet's getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of the causes. Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is getting warmer? Do your own home work. No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to the article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide. Thank you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh, milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a (assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy" in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming, one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm... Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion: 1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two years ago, and that's about it. Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :) 2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener? Pansy. 3) How old are you? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival, mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know about poison ivy? Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different from yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting issues into account.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of super PI caused by GW? I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain", rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint: Most poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even change my mind. What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions you asked me. Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree with you to qualify? ![]() - High school biology, enough to understand the difference between two different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you finish high school? - Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I don't mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons". - Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you catch that frekin' windmill soon ![]() 35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"? What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this entire discussion revolves?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 35 Years of reading huh? I got 45 living, playing, and making my living outdoors so I still think I probably know as much about poison ivy as you do. Maybe more. Yer book lernin' ain't **** compared to real experience...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh and BTW, that famous book by Frank and Rosenthal does not make you a botanist... just another pot farmer like bassy ![]() I see. You find out something you don't know, and you attack. By tomorrow, you'll say I'm a rapist. I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... On Jun 27, 11:09 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 27, 11:00 pm, wrote: On Jun 27, 10:47 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 10:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 27, 10:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 6:03 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 4:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 2:45 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:nub5835mleag0i92ndmmm12e683re4u4va@4ax .com... On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 9:25 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:xdydnTyo58qlXRzbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast. com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote: So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing changes in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon before stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead. Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know. You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the planet's getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of the causes. Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is getting warmer? Do your own home work. No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to the article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide. Thank you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh, milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a (assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy" in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming, one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm... Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion: 1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two years ago, and that's about it. Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :) 2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener? Pansy. 3) How old are you? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival, mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know about poison ivy? Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different from yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting issues into account.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of super PI caused by GW? I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain", rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint: Most poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even change my mind. What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions you asked me. Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree with you to qualify? ![]() - High school biology, enough to understand the difference between two different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you finish high school? - Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I don't mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons". - Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you catch that frekin' windmill soon ![]() 35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"? What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this entire discussion revolves?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 35 Years of reading huh? I got 45 living, playing, and making my living outdoors so I still think I probably know as much about poison ivy as you do. Maybe more. Yer book lernin' ain't **** compared to real experience...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh and BTW, that famous book by Frank and Rosenthal does not make you a botanist... just another pot farmer like bassy ![]() I see. You find out something you don't know, and you attack. By tomorrow, you'll say I'm a rapist. I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing. For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country. |
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Don't threaten me doug, I don't take kindly to threats.
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On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing. For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country. Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten though, someone might take you more seriously than I do. |
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![]() "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 27, 11:09 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 27, 11:00 pm, wrote: On Jun 27, 10:47 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 10:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 27, 10:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 6:03 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 4:23 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 2:45 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:nub5835mleag0i92ndmmm12e683re4u4va@4ax .com... On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 27, 9:25 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:xdydnTyo58qlXRzbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast. com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote: So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing changes in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon before stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead. Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know. You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the planet's getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of the causes. Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is getting warmer? Do your own home work. No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to the article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide. Thank you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh, milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a (assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy" in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming, one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm... Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion: 1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two years ago, and that's about it. Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :) 2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener? Pansy. 3) How old are you? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival, mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know about poison ivy? Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different from yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting issues into account.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of super PI caused by GW? I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain", rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint: Most poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even change my mind. What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions you asked me. Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree with you to qualify? ![]() - High school biology, enough to understand the difference between two different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you finish high school? - Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I don't mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons". - Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK Joe, I get it. You bring nothing more than a mildly educated opinion just like me, so the fun is over, good night Joe, hope you catch that frekin' windmill soon ![]() 35 years of reading about a subject is "mildly educated"? What is a "strain"? And, did you read the article about which this entire discussion revolves?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - 35 Years of reading huh? I got 45 living, playing, and making my living outdoors so I still think I probably know as much about poison ivy as you do. Maybe more. Yer book lernin' ain't **** compared to real experience...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh and BTW, that famous book by Frank and Rosenthal does not make you a botanist... just another pot farmer like bassy ![]() I see. You find out something you don't know, and you attack. By tomorrow, you'll say I'm a rapist. I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing. For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country. You are one flaming ASSHOLE. |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:32:12 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: - Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have Ah - bu I do. That message above, decoded says, "I'M REALLY AN OPINIONATED DOOFUS WITH NOTHING GOING IN MY LIFE OTHER THAN ARGUING ON USENET". Heh, heh, heh.... I'm sorry - you left yourself open for that one. :) Nothing personal you understand. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing. For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country. Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten though, someone might take you more seriously than I do. Sorry about the strong language. I was tired and out of patience. Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking about, and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set your hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high degree of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine years. That's just plain silly. None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment in the newspaper article, which you still haven't read. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:32:12 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: - Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have Ah - bu I do. That message above, decoded says, "I'M REALLY AN OPINIONATED DOOFUS WITH NOTHING GOING IN MY LIFE OTHER THAN ARGUING ON USENET". Heh, heh, heh.... I'm sorry - you left yourself open for that one. :) Nothing personal you understand. I understand completely. Who's on first? |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:40:06 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Although it would seem there is some basis in fact on this solar cycle thing. http://tinyurl.com/262px5 I've already read that article series, perhaps you have posted that link before? The simple truth is this - man does change and affect his environment. Has since the first time humanoids began to walk upright. However what is missing with the Global Warming contingent is a sense of history and, to tell the truth, basic knowledge of science. That's what you get when you elect lawyers who only took "Science for Liberal Arts" in college. I mean think about Nancy Pelosi who said after visiting Greeland "I have seen Global Warming". Has she never heard of the Vikings who discovered Tibet and colonized Mexico and established a trading colony in Greenland (around 960 CE)? And think about this - there are, as of now, six different solar cycles of varying lengths. Each of them affects the climate of the Earth differently - there is sound, scientific proof of these changes - some drastic, some minor. What I find interesting about this global warming thing, is how little we really understand the mechanisms of our climate. Clearly, it is a very, very, complex system, and I suspect much of what we are now hearing will not hold up in the coming years. I'm willing to let the scientists hash it out. Until the science is set, I'll continue to filter through my generally skeptical nature. However, you'll have to admit, there is far too much picking of the "science" needed to back ones' own preconceived notions. Do we need to do something about smog and green house gas? Yes. Of course, but just from personal observations, I think we have. That brown haze that was an almost daily occurrence in the 60's seems to be rare these days. I sure wouldn't mind the air being cleaner, but I do think it has improved. I know our waterways (NJ) are cleaner than they were. Is it the sole cause of climate change? Not even close. I tend to agree, but there is the question of how much curtailing greenhouse gases would ameliorate future changes. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:42:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Jun 27, 11:25 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I'm kidding, it's late, did you not see the "winky" face? This is really not as important to me as you think it is. Tell you what, come up to CT someday, we'll go fishin', maybe we can get the Capt. to come along, we can argue, he can drive. The type of boat trip I'd like to take with the captain involves fishing. For you, it would involve cinder blocks. I take everything you say seriously, and for that reason, you are a threat to children who come into contact with you, and a threat to the future of this great country. Wow, you are a genuine internet hero mr. k, watch who you threaten though, someone might take you more seriously than I do. Sorry about the strong language. I was tired and out of patience. Look: You pursued a conversation as if you knew what you were talking about, and it reached the point where you were inventing theories and using words that made no sense. When you finally realized this, you decided to set your hair on fire in two ways: You asked for my qualifications, and then said something about lightweight education, or whatever your words were. The absurdity of your approach is obvious. By way of analogy, you believe that although Tom can probably put people on a school of fish with a high degree of success because he's been fishing the same region forever, he is not qualified. You're also suggesting that his qualifications are identical to those of a boater who drops a hook in the water once every two or nine years. That's just plain silly. None of this matters, though, since it in no way addresses the experiment in the newspaper article, which you still haven't read. Don't you just love being able to read minds, to know what others know, to know what they're inventing, to know when they realize and when they decide, to know what they believe, and even what they've read? Omniscience is great, isn't it? -- John H Would you agree that some plants lose their leaves in winter? |
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