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So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?-
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Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?-
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quoted text -

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Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?- Hide quoted text -

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When I say specilized of course I mean, that's what I liked best. I
was the guy who set up and took other scouts on the five mile hikes
through the open areas usng a compass and a topographic map... I was
real good out there, at one time I knew over 20 plants and roots in my
local area you could feast on...

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When I say specilized of course I mean, that's what I liked best. I
was the guy who set up and took other scouts on the five mile hikes
through the open areas usng a compass and a topographic map... I was
real good out there, at one time I knew over 20 plants and roots in my
local area you could feast on...- Hide quoted text -

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Grew up next to huge woods area... I know poison ivy, now speculate on
why my shoreline PI is not already super PI please, Oh btw, since I
took the time, please answer your own questions to qualify yourself,
thanks, although, I'm not really all that interested, I live out here
in the non-virtual world, I am playing with PI today near the pool
asmof, so have a great day.

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?


Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting issues
into account.

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um, ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too! So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison
ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?


I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint: Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison
ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight, go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... ) if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new "super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10 degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint: Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even
change my mind.

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So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison
ivy?-
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- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally
different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

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Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even
change my mind.


What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?

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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with poison
ivy?-
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Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy, website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er, um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally
different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a "strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even
change my mind.

What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions
you asked me.

Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or
general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a
legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree
with you to qualify?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Jun 26, 12:42 pm, HK wrote:

So? What's the point? And what has this to do with
poison
ivy?-
Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, if the HC is suggesting that Global Warming is
causing
changes
in Poison Ivy, I meerely suggest that folks get a
second
opinon
before
stating it as fact. That was my point, you want to
fight,
go
ahead.
Again, I am out of this pee pee contest, I know what I
know.

You don't know what you don't know. Everyone agrees that
the
planet's
getting warmer. The debate is about whether human
activity
in
one
of
the
causes.

Can you explain why Mars is getting warmer at the same
rate
Earth
is
getting warmer?

Do your own home work.

No I can't explain it. But, I'd like you to tell me how it
relates
to
the
article about poison ivy and carbon dioxide.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I just saw a report on the super ivy. The reporter asked
if
the
expert (guy with car painted like ivy,
website,marketing... )
if
global warming caused the super ivy. He said yes, that, er,
um,
ahhh,
milder winters, were causing the super ivy growth, as well
as a
(assume genetic) change in the ivy to produce more potent
oil
too!
So
here I am some 60 miles from the shore, looking at the new
"super
ivy"
in my back yard, caused by the new milder winters (what is
warming,
one degree?) and wondering why I did not have super ivy on
the
shoreline for the last 20 years as it is usually about 10
degrees
warmer at my other house, most of the time... Hummmmm...

Three questions, the answer to which may improve this
discussion:

1) Are you a gardener? I don't mean you stuck a shrub in the
ground
two
years ago, and that's about it.

Hell no - I farm hay and trees. :)

2) If you answer "yes" to #1, how long have you been a
gardener?

Pansy.

3) How old are you?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I'm not asking you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, I am 50. I have been keeping close to an acre landscaped
for
over 20 years. I grew up in the Northeast, playing in the woods
in a
very rural area, at the time. I have dabbled in flowers and
vegetables
most of my life, I was pulling poison ivy out of the trees of the
Hillstead Museum property as a child back in 68, a life scout who
specalized in outdoor woodsmanship such as tracking, survival,
mapping, and such. Is that good enough or do I need a degree to
know
about poison ivy?

Then, it seems odd that you are having difficulty understanding how
one
person's observations of a plant, in one location, can be so
different
from
yours. You can move an ornamental plant 5 feet closer to a wall
which
reflects light and heat, and the plant will behave in a totally
different
way than it did in its previous location, after taking
transplanting
issues
into account.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sure I have, but what does that have to do with a mythical strain of
super PI caused by GW?

I thought you said you were a gardener. How do you know it's a
"strain",
rather than a plant responding to different growing conditions? Hint:
Most
poison ivy reproduces vegetatively. You know what that means, right?-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, I am a gardener, more of an outdoorsman, but alas, not a schooled
botanist so I guess my opinion is probably moot when it comes to PI or
GW for that matter. Although, I am still interested in hearing your
qualifications in these areas, I am always willing to learn and even
change my mind.

What generic types of qualifications would you like to see?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you could start by answering the series of qualifying questions
you asked me.

Then you could explain to me what level of education, experience, or
general knowledge a person must have to have what you would consider a
legitimate opinion on these subjects, or do they simply have to agree
with you to qualify?


- High school biology, enough to understand the difference between two
different "strains", and two genetically identical plants behaving
differently for reasons related to growing conditions. Did you finish high
school?

- Enough curiosity about plants to read a few books per year, and I don't
mean the Sunset books at Home Depot, like "Shrubs for Morons".

- Secret decoder ring, which I'm sure you don't have