On Jun 1, 8:06 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that
persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge
after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the
responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon
maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery.
Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would
do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious
threat to the eco-system.

But there are constantly MORE of these innocent, average boaters,
vying for space in finite waters. The U.S. population is projected to
exceed 400 million and perhaps 500 million by mid-century. All this
talk of "invasive species" is overlooking the most obvious one. Growth-
addicts accept the constant crowding of natural places as inevitable
progress. Others see it as the mindless suffocation it really is.

I don't see evidence of "responsibility" in a good percentage of the
boating public, especially the PWC crowd. Whether or not they're into
illegal dumping, they lack respect for basic peace & quiet, and are
happy to cause wake intrusions. Fast powerboats should be limited to
areas far offshore, or "white trash" reservoirs that weren't natural
lakes to begin with.

Boaters who complain about having discharges controlled may have more
to hide than they admit. The mere presence of gasoline or diesel
exhaust in or around water is unnatural. I also question the video
clip where he claims fees could be over $1,000 if enacted. Is that per
year, or lifetime?

Of course, Bush's EPA (Environmental Pillaging Agency) isn't eager to
enforce anything that inconveniences people, who are infinitely more
important than nature, even though nature is keeping them alive.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/


When animals exceed carrying-capacity we call it overpopulation.
When humans exceed carrying-capacity we call it "economic growth."

On Jun 12, 8:28?pm, Enough Already wrote:

But there are constantly MORE of these innocent, average boaters,
vying for space in finite waters. The U.S. population is projected to
exceed 400 million and perhaps 500 million by mid-century. All this
talk of "invasive species" is overlooking the most obvious one. Growth-
addicts accept the constant crowding of natural places as inevitable
progress. Others see it as the mindless suffocation it really is.


I'm part of the group that didn't self-create. Somebody else is
responsible for my presence on the planet, I didn't ask or decide to
be born but now that I am here I don't plan to commit suicide to
reduce my impact on Gaia.

I don't see evidence of "responsibility" in a good percentage of the
boating public, especially the PWC crowd. Whether or not they're into
illegal dumping, they lack respect for basic peace & quiet, and are
happy to cause wake intrusions. Fast powerboats should be limited to
areas far offshore, or "white trash" reservoirs that weren't natural
lakes to begin with.


Defining all boaters by what you consider to be the thoughtless
actions of some stereotypical PWC'ers is pretty extreme.




Boaters who complain about having discharges controlled may have more
to hide than they admit. The mere presence of gasoline or diesel
exhaust in or around water is unnatural. I also question the video
clip where he claims fees could be over $1,000 if enacted. Is that per
year, or lifetime?

The problem with the regulation is the definition of "discharge".
Cooling water picked up from a lake or ocean and passed through the
exceptionally clean water jacket of an engine becomes a discharge when
it is expelled. Any boat needs to "discharge" bilge water to remain
afloat. If you and your zero-population-frowth buddies are out
kayaking and one of the kayaks ships some water.....don't you dare
bail it out! (That's a "discharge" under the law).

Certain discharges, like untreated sewage, garbage, or petroleum
products are prohibited by law and should be. The legislation only
permits discharges "incidental to the normal operation of a boat."
One can certainly boat without pumping sewage directly overboard, but
it's pretty tough to stop rainwater from running across a deck and
over the side. That rainwater is technically a "discharge", and is
probably less polluted than the rainwater that runs off the roof of
your house, or my house, etc. Would you recommend we all tear the
roofs off of our houses? I'm sure the answer is no.


Of course, Bush's EPA (Environmental Pillaging Agency) isn't eager to
enforce anything that inconveniences people, who are infinitely more
important than nature, even though nature is keeping them alive.

E.A.

Many of us were raised to be "conservationists". I'd like to think I'm
among such a group. A conservationist is one who believes in using
natural resources sparingly and responsibly- and in the case of
renewable resources using them at a rate that is no faster than they
will regenerate.

I'm not sure what some of the younger green people are all about.
How dare they breathe, excrete waste, wear natural or synthetic
fibers, ride in an automobile or (heavens!) own a computer with which
to access a group such as this? All of those actions adversely impact
the millions of species that were here before people. You undoubtedly
are aware of the enormous disposal problems and hazardous wastes
associated with computers.....

(some of that hazardous waste appears in this NG on a regular
basis)...

Should you not be allowed to own a computer, even if you are
responsibile when you dispose of it, simply because it's possible to
point out examples of other computer owners who are not responsible?


http://enough_already.tripod.com/

When animals exceed carrying-capacity we call it overpopulation.
When humans exceed carrying-capacity we call it "economic growth."