Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Blame it on my liberal arts education and catholic reading lists.

It's that liberal bias at Yale, eh Krause?

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:44:07 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

This is the problem with having liberal activist judges on the bench:
http://www.boattest.com/nmma.aspx



of course, conservatives have done away with such inconveniences as
habeus corpus, and the right to a fair trial...

annoyances, you see...

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

On Jun 1, 8:06 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

Most boaters make conscientious environmental choices. The few that
persist in dumping holding tanks in inland waters or pumping the bilge
after an oil change "accident", deserve to be ostracized by the
responsible majority. Our recreational enjoyment depends upon
maintaining acceptably clean waterways and a healthy fishery.
Environmental activists on the radical fringes of that movement would
do well to recognize that the average pleasure boater isn't a serious
threat to the eco-system.

But there are constantly MORE of these innocent, average boaters,
vying for space in finite waters. The U.S. population is projected to
exceed 400 million and perhaps 500 million by mid-century. All this
talk of "invasive species" is overlooking the most obvious one. Growth-
addicts accept the constant crowding of natural places as inevitable
progress. Others see it as the mindless suffocation it really is.

I don't see evidence of "responsibility" in a good percentage of the
boating public, especially the PWC crowd. Whether or not they're into
illegal dumping, they lack respect for basic peace & quiet, and are
happy to cause wake intrusions. Fast powerboats should be limited to
areas far offshore, or "white trash" reservoirs that weren't natural
lakes to begin with.

Boaters who complain about having discharges controlled may have more
to hide than they admit. The mere presence of gasoline or diesel
exhaust in or around water is unnatural. I also question the video
clip where he claims fees could be over $1,000 if enacted. Is that per
year, or lifetime?

Of course, Bush's EPA (Environmental Pillaging Agency) isn't eager to
enforce anything that inconveniences people, who are infinitely more
important than nature, even though nature is keeping them alive.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/


When animals exceed carrying-capacity we call it overpopulation.
When humans exceed carrying-capacity we call it "economic growth."

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

On Jun 1, 7:25 am, "NOYB" wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message

...

"NOYB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
This is the problem with having liberal activist judges on the bench:
http://www.boattest.com/nmma.aspx

The court didn't do this without a kick in the ass from someone else. Who
is the owner of the foot?

Environmentalist groups. But a court shouldn't be beholden to any special
interests.

Since "The Environment" allows the human economy to exist, I question
your definition of special interests. Due to mindless population
growth, nature suffers a death of 1,000 cuts each day. Every "petty"
regulation can help offset increasing pressure on waterways.

I question the respect for nature of many (power) boaters. They seem
much more interested in noise and speed than aesthetic values, so
illegal discharges wouldn't be surprising. Par for the course with the
motorsports, F-nature crowd. Dumping in the middle of a lake or river
is easy to get away with, like going in your swim trunks. I say tough
luck if they have to be permitted. It might make them think twice
before casually tainting the water.

Read about the recent Camp Lejeune, NC toxin revelations if you think
everyone takes water quality seriously. This happened for same reason
they have to put No Dumping placards on street drains leading to
rivers.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/

Everything you have originates in nature. A little respect is in order.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

On Jun 12, 8:28?pm, Enough Already wrote:

But there are constantly MORE of these innocent, average boaters,
vying for space in finite waters. The U.S. population is projected to
exceed 400 million and perhaps 500 million by mid-century. All this
talk of "invasive species" is overlooking the most obvious one. Growth-
addicts accept the constant crowding of natural places as inevitable
progress. Others see it as the mindless suffocation it really is.


I'm part of the group that didn't self-create. Somebody else is
responsible for my presence on the planet, I didn't ask or decide to
be born but now that I am here I don't plan to commit suicide to
reduce my impact on Gaia.

I don't see evidence of "responsibility" in a good percentage of the
boating public, especially the PWC crowd. Whether or not they're into
illegal dumping, they lack respect for basic peace & quiet, and are
happy to cause wake intrusions. Fast powerboats should be limited to
areas far offshore, or "white trash" reservoirs that weren't natural
lakes to begin with.


Defining all boaters by what you consider to be the thoughtless
actions of some stereotypical PWC'ers is pretty extreme.




Boaters who complain about having discharges controlled may have more
to hide than they admit. The mere presence of gasoline or diesel
exhaust in or around water is unnatural. I also question the video
clip where he claims fees could be over $1,000 if enacted. Is that per
year, or lifetime?

The problem with the regulation is the definition of "discharge".
Cooling water picked up from a lake or ocean and passed through the
exceptionally clean water jacket of an engine becomes a discharge when
it is expelled. Any boat needs to "discharge" bilge water to remain
afloat. If you and your zero-population-frowth buddies are out
kayaking and one of the kayaks ships some water.....don't you dare
bail it out! (That's a "discharge" under the law).

Certain discharges, like untreated sewage, garbage, or petroleum
products are prohibited by law and should be. The legislation only
permits discharges "incidental to the normal operation of a boat."
One can certainly boat without pumping sewage directly overboard, but
it's pretty tough to stop rainwater from running across a deck and
over the side. That rainwater is technically a "discharge", and is
probably less polluted than the rainwater that runs off the roof of
your house, or my house, etc. Would you recommend we all tear the
roofs off of our houses? I'm sure the answer is no.


Of course, Bush's EPA (Environmental Pillaging Agency) isn't eager to
enforce anything that inconveniences people, who are infinitely more
important than nature, even though nature is keeping them alive.

E.A.

Many of us were raised to be "conservationists". I'd like to think I'm
among such a group. A conservationist is one who believes in using
natural resources sparingly and responsibly- and in the case of
renewable resources using them at a rate that is no faster than they
will regenerate.

I'm not sure what some of the younger green people are all about.
How dare they breathe, excrete waste, wear natural or synthetic
fibers, ride in an automobile or (heavens!) own a computer with which
to access a group such as this? All of those actions adversely impact
the millions of species that were here before people. You undoubtedly
are aware of the enormous disposal problems and hazardous wastes
associated with computers.....

(some of that hazardous waste appears in this NG on a regular
basis)...

Should you not be allowed to own a computer, even if you are
responsibile when you dispose of it, simply because it's possible to
point out examples of other computer owners who are not responsible?


http://enough_already.tripod.com/

When animals exceed carrying-capacity we call it overpopulation.
When humans exceed carrying-capacity we call it "economic growth."

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

"Enough Already" wrote in message
s.com...


Read about the recent Camp Lejeune, NC toxin revelations if you think
everyone takes water quality seriously. This happened for same reason
they have to put No Dumping placards on street drains leading to
rivers.


Nice!

"An EPA investigator, Tyler Amon, acknowledged Tuesday that officials had
considered accusing some civilian Navy employees of obstruction of justice.
Amon, who testified despite objections from the Bush administration, said
some employees interviewed during the criminal investigation appeared
coached and were not forthcoming with details.

Rep. Ed Whitfield of Kentucky, the panel's ranking Republican, said he was
puzzled why criminal charges weren't pursued."



The administration was uncomfortable with questions. What a surprise.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

"Enough Already" wrote in message
s.com...
Due to mindless population
growth, nature suffers a death of 1,000 cuts each day

Hey, don't blame me. I voted for Bush. He's working hard to eradicate the
world of 1.2 billion Muslims. It's the Democrats who are allowing the
overpopulation to continue.

And if it were up to me, I'd add kayakers and blow-boaters to that list.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

I just read some of the links on your website. Don't take this the wrong
way, but YOU'RE ****ING NUTS.

a.. Couples should voluntarily limit their family-size to two or fewer
children, and not just for personal economic reasons. This sort of restraint
goes against natural inclinations but "death control" (modern medicine) must
be matched with birth control for balance to occur. It's a small price to
pay for preserving the future.
a.. The government should eliminate tax breaks for children, either
altogether or after a family already has two kids. Tax breaks encourage
population growth by artificially reducing the cost of having children.
a.. Likewise, welfare subsidies that increase with family size should be
dropped as soon as possible. A family cap law in New Jersey has shown good
results.
a.. Pregnant teenagers should be denied all government assistance unless
they identify the fathers and are subject to the same standards of parental
competency as adoptive parents.
a.. Like it or not, abortion prevents millions of unwanted births each year,
and is such a widely used (albeit unpleasant) form of birth control that it
must be kept legal forever. Well-meaning people who recoil at the thought of
a dead fetus would do well to think about the millions of already-born kids
who die from hunger each year. The real world does not allow for
single-issue panaceas.



"Enough Already" wrote in message
s.com...
On Jun 1, 7:25 am, "NOYB" wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message

...

"NOYB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
This is the problem with having liberal activist judges on the bench:
http://www.boattest.com/nmma.aspx

The court didn't do this without a kick in the ass from someone else.
Who
is the owner of the foot?

Environmentalist groups. But a court shouldn't be beholden to any
special
interests.

Since "The Environment" allows the human economy to exist, I question
your definition of special interests. Due to mindless population
growth, nature suffers a death of 1,000 cuts each day. Every "petty"
regulation can help offset increasing pressure on waterways.

I question the respect for nature of many (power) boaters. They seem
much more interested in noise and speed than aesthetic values, so
illegal discharges wouldn't be surprising. Par for the course with the
motorsports, F-nature crowd. Dumping in the middle of a lake or river
is easy to get away with, like going in your swim trunks. I say tough
luck if they have to be permitted. It might make them think twice
before casually tainting the water.

Read about the recent Camp Lejeune, NC toxin revelations if you think
everyone takes water quality seriously. This happened for same reason
they have to put No Dumping placards on street drains leading to
rivers.

E.A.

http://enough_already.tripod.com/

Everything you have originates in nature. A little respect is in order.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message ink.net, NOYB
sprach forth the following:

Hey, don't blame me. I voted for Bush.

You deserve double blame.

Careful, or I'll lump you with the kayakers, blow-boaters, and Muslims.

Liberal 9th Circuit Court ruling could kill boating
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message ink.net,
NOYB
sprach forth the following:

Hey, don't blame me. I voted for Bush.

You deserve double blame.

Careful, or I'll lump you with the ..snip.. *blow-boaters*, snip....



he should be so lucky....................