On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:32:48 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:41:06 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Having just looked it up, apparently there are differences between areas
- not just only including names.

They are not exactly the same even though they are all parts of the same
genus.

Then again, I'm not a biologist.

I'm thinking the science has changed. Until recently, there were
considered to be 32 subspecies of pumas, but in 1999, Melanie Culver did
a DNA study and suggests 6 subspecies, of which one, P.c. couguar covers
all of North America.

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/91/3/186.pdf

Sounds good to me.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be
more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they
aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has
seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I
haven't seen any confirmations.

There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.

Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.

Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.

I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of
the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of
my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned
tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god
damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion
and not a god damned cougar.

Damn it. :)

Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be
the better for it!

On May 29, 6:42 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:45:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"





wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more
and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't
making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one
here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any
confirmations.

There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.

Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.

Um...I'm not getting into a whole basskisser style argument and start
going to google and wiki just to prove a point.

I was told by a professional tracker what the differences are and why
and I have no reason to doubt him because he got the pictures and
determined the range of the animal.

You want to argue the point, go argue with him.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or
is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being
wrong.

Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be
more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they
aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has
seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I
haven't seen any confirmations.
There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.
Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.
Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.
I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of
the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of
my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned
tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god
damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion
and not a god damned cougar.

Damn it. :)

Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be
the better for it!




Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to
say. So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be
relevant to a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own
knowledge base. That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed
him eons ago.

My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her
planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the
large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was
digging. She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to
be one of the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy.
There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the
woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't
any feral dogs around here.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be
more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they
aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has
seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I
haven't seen any confirmations.
There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.
Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.
Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.

I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of
the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of
my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned
tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god
damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion
and not a god damned cougar.

Damn it. :)

Well then God Damn it, the god damned mountain lion escaped from god
damned captivity. God damn it.

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.

Not necessarily so. There was an Eastern Puma, of which the Florida
Panther is a sub-species. Many have argued that it was extirpated in the
early 1900s, but credible reports of sightings continued from isolated
areas of the Appalachians. Recently, sightings have increased and are no
longer in isolated areas. The Eastern Cougar Foundation reported "more
than 165 sightings in WV, VA, NC, PA, and NY during the year 2000. Other
reported sightings in 2000 occurred in AL, IL, ME, KY, MA, WI, LA, NJ,
MD, VT, OH, NH, TN, IN, AK, MI, FL, CT, MS, DE, SC, MO, GA, Ontario and
New Brunswick, Canada."
From:

http://www.wildliferehabsanctuary.org/puma-cougar.htm

There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by
biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New
Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is a
breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding population has
not been confirmed.

As an aside, there is an element of politics involved. There is a move
to remove the Eastern Puma from the endangered species list on the
grounds that it is already extinct. Confirmation of a breeding
population would put that move on hold.

Well god damn it, it looks like I was god damn wrong.

basskisser wrote:
You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or
is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being
wrong.


Wow, now you accusing someone of being like yourself? I figured you
would compliment such behavious. Thanx for re-reminding me what a
childish, insultant ass you are most all the time.

Congrats, you have outdone yourself yet again.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.

Not necessarily so. There was an Eastern Puma, of which the Florida
Panther is a sub-species. Many have argued that it was extirpated in
the early 1900s, but credible reports of sightings continued from
isolated areas of the Appalachians. Recently, sightings have
increased and are no longer in isolated areas. The Eastern Cougar
Foundation reported "more than 165 sightings in WV, VA, NC, PA, and NY
during the year 2000. Other reported sightings in 2000 occurred in AL,
IL, ME, KY, MA, WI, LA, NJ, MD, VT, OH, NH, TN, IN, AK, MI, FL, CT,
MS, DE, SC, MO, GA, Ontario and New Brunswick, Canada." From:

http://www.wildliferehabsanctuary.org/puma-cougar.htm

There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by
biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New
Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is
a breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding
population has not been confirmed.

As an aside, there is an element of politics involved. There is a
move to remove the Eastern Puma from the endangered species list on
the grounds that it is already extinct. Confirmation of a breeding
population would put that move on hold.

Well god damn it, it looks like I was god damn wrong.


God damn it, it looks like this is a god damn controversial issue, with
god damn everyone disagreeing if there really are any native breeding
populations east of the Mississippi (outside of Florida)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n13487565

By immersing himself in the cat-chasers' culture, Butz has put together
plenty of evidence pointing to the presence of wild pumas in the eastern
woods. Many candid snapshots of purported cougars are no clearer than
fuzzy pictures of Bigfoot, but some are sharp and unambiguous. A lot of
the tracks seem genuine, and laboratory tests of scat samples often come
back positive for puma.

But caution is in order. Wildlife officials seem willing to grant the
occasional sighting, but they are reluctant to conclude that such pumas
represent a native wild population, as many of the "cat people" believe.
One or two strays may have wandered east; an occasional pet puma may
have escaped from a zoo or a private preserve. That's a bit different
from claiming that dozens of pumas are breeding in the woods.

In the absence of incontrovertible evidence (there's been a notable lack
of pumas shot during hunting season), game wardens seem inclined to
regard the cougar issue as something of a nuisance. With plenty of
well-documented species that need conserving, the official position is
that the cougar lobbyists should "get a life." After reading Butz's
reportage, I tend to agree. But, recalling the occasional sightings of
pumas my local newspaper has reported, I'm going to keep a sharper eye
out for the big cats the next time I'm out on the trail.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be
more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they
aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has
seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I
haven't seen any confirmations.
There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.
Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.
Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a
cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.
I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of
the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of
my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned
tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god
damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion
and not a god damned cougar.

Damn it. :)

Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will
be the better for it!


Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say.
So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to
a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base.
That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago.

My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her
planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the
large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging.
She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of
the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy.
There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods,
so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any
feral dogs around here.

No chance on running into a protective mother bear this time of year??

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3
Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be
more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they
aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has
seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I
haven't seen any confirmations.
There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the
neighboring farms.

They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional
trackers.

Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area.
Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal.
Tom,
If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a
cougar,
puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the
western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the
NE it must have escaped from captivity.
I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of
the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of
my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned
tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god
damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion
and not a god damned cougar.

Damn it. :)
Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will
be the better for it!

Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say.
So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to
a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base.
That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago.

My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her
planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the
large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging.
She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of
the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy.
There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods,
so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any
feral dogs around here.

No chance on running into a protective mother bear this time of year??




I hope not.