Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:41:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:40:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:07:35 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

He said that they were flagging these boats down 300 feet before the
zone.
I
doubt that there's any powerboat under 50 feet that is still
travelling
at
a wake-creating speed 300 feet after it cuts power back to neutral.


Do you suppose they were trying to make a point?

If 3 feet is ineffective and 300 feet is inappropriate... *where*
exactly does the law say they should be?

So..... somebody makes a decision........

That decision is made when they place the sign. If the sign is too
close to the marina, blame the guy who placed it, not the boat
operator. They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

Translation: Unless there's a sign, you're excused from using your brain
to
do what's right.

You got a ticket for a wake didn't you? :)

Otherwise, your just arguing to argue because nothing you've said
makes sense.

Nah...no ticket.

Tom, if you see that a no-wake zone makes sense in a certain place, but the
signs are placed too close to the area to stop many boaters from doing the
right thing, do YOU (and I mean you personally) continue to do the wrong
thing and create a large wake until you reach the signs?

I understand your point, but you seem hell bent on not understanding
mine.

The No Wake bouy is a marker bouy - it designates a speed zone. As far
as I know, there are no laws that say you have to slow down prior to
the No-Wake marker bouy. It merely indicates that there is a No Wake
Zone ahead and you need to slow to a no wake condition until the No
Wake zone is transited. Which would indicate that if the bouy is not
placed properly, that's the fault of the people in charge of placing
the bouy.

For example, let's say there is a marina along a curve in a river and
the owner receives permission to place No Wake bouys. He places them
15 feet off the end of the docks upstream and downstream. No speed
restrictions upstream or downstream of the bouys.

Whose fault is that?

Now if you place the bouys 50/75 feet away from the
upstream/downstream docks, tha allows time to slow and proceed at a no
wake speed.

That's my point. If the markers are misplaced, that's not the
boater's fault.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On May 26, 10:58 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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OK, is there a difference if it is marked "no wake" or "steerage speed
only"? As to doing what is wrong or right, I don't think anything I do
with my little boats damages any boat or shoreline like the trough the
barges leave as they come up the river. Had one pitch a 22 foot
fiberglass (colombian) right up, out of the water, and place half the
bow on the shore which was a foot above the water to start.

Translation: But mommy....everyone else was throwing rocks at the windows.
How come I'm gettin' punished?

- Show quoted text -

WTF, sounds like you got some real issues, all I did was ask a frekin'
question.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:15:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:15:47 -0400, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign

And that is simply my point.... if you are proceeding at a no wake
speed immediately prior to the sign... that meets the word and intent
of the law.

SWS's position, if you are proceeding at a no wake speed
immediately prior to the sign and still hit the [whatever] with a
wake.... it is a poorly placed sign and should be repositioned to
achieve the desired result.... the operator is (lawfully) not at
fault... but if he knows this is likely the result, why not be a good
citizen/neighbor and slow down to achieve the intent of the no wake
sign.

I'm not saying I don't because I do when possible.

But if somebody unfamiliar with the waters comes up on a No Wake Zone
and had to slow from 40 to 5 in the space of ten feet, it's not
properly placed.

That's my sole point. If you are going to stop people 100 yards away
from the No Wake Zone and tell them to slow down, then the buoys are
improperly placed - there is no reason to stop somebody 300 feet away
from the No Wake Zone.

The No Wake Zone should start well in advance of any area that could
be impacted - simple as that.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:41:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:40:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:07:35 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

He said that they were flagging these boats down 300 feet before the
zone.
I
doubt that there's any powerboat under 50 feet that is still
travelling
at
a wake-creating speed 300 feet after it cuts power back to neutral.


Do you suppose they were trying to make a point?

If 3 feet is ineffective and 300 feet is inappropriate... *where*
exactly does the law say they should be?

So..... somebody makes a decision........

That decision is made when they place the sign. If the sign is too
close to the marina, blame the guy who placed it, not the boat
operator. They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

Translation: Unless there's a sign, you're excused from using your brain
to
do what's right.

You got a ticket for a wake didn't you? :)

Otherwise, your just arguing to argue because nothing you've said
makes sense.

Nah...no ticket.

Tom, if you see that a no-wake zone makes sense in a certain place, but
the
signs are placed too close to the area to stop many boaters from doing the
right thing, do YOU (and I mean you personally) continue to do the wrong
thing and create a large wake until you reach the signs?

I understand your point, but you seem hell bent on not understanding
mine.

The No Wake bouy is a marker bouy - it designates a speed zone. As far
as I know, there are no laws that say you have to slow down prior to
the No-Wake marker bouy. It merely indicates that there is a No Wake
Zone ahead and you need to slow to a no wake condition until the No
Wake zone is transited. Which would indicate that if the bouy is not
placed properly, that's the fault of the people in charge of placing
the bouy.

For example, let's say there is a marina along a curve in a river and
the owner receives permission to place No Wake bouys. He places them
15 feet off the end of the docks upstream and downstream. No speed
restrictions upstream or downstream of the bouys.

Whose fault is that?

Now if you place the bouys 50/75 feet away from the
upstream/downstream docks, tha allows time to slow and proceed at a no
wake speed.

That's my point. If the markers are misplaced, that's not the
boater's fault.

Maybe they ARE misplaced, but they are plainly worded: No wake. There is no
mention of speed. If, theoretically, you had a boat which could do 25 knots
without a wake, you could legally transit the no wake zone at 25 knots.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign


Bad analogy. You could jump hard on the brakes and be at the new speed limit
very quickly. But, a car throws no wake, other than gravitational force,
which no town justice is able to measure.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:15:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:15:47 -0400, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign

And that is simply my point.... if you are proceeding at a no wake
speed immediately prior to the sign... that meets the word and intent
of the law.

SWS's position, if you are proceeding at a no wake speed
immediately prior to the sign and still hit the [whatever] with a
wake.... it is a poorly placed sign and should be repositioned to
achieve the desired result.... the operator is (lawfully) not at
fault... but if he knows this is likely the result, why not be a good
citizen/neighbor and slow down to achieve the intent of the no wake
sign.

I'm not saying I don't because I do when possible.

But if somebody unfamiliar with the waters comes up on a No Wake Zone
and had to slow from 40 to 5 in the space of ten feet, it's not
properly placed.

That's my sole point. If you are going to stop people 100 yards away
from the No Wake Zone and tell them to slow down, then the buoys are
improperly placed - there is no reason to stop somebody 300 feet away
from the No Wake Zone.

The No Wake Zone should start well in advance of any area that could
be impacted - simple as that.

OK. Never mind the sign. How about seeing the marina, the channel and the
boat launch from 1000 feet away, and still not adjusting your wake?
Stoooopid....

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:15:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:15:47 -0400, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign

And that is simply my point.... if you are proceeding at a no wake
speed immediately prior to the sign... that meets the word and intent
of the law.

SWS's position, if you are proceeding at a no wake speed
immediately prior to the sign and still hit the [whatever] with a
wake.... it is a poorly placed sign and should be repositioned to
achieve the desired result.... the operator is (lawfully) not at
fault... but if he knows this is likely the result, why not be a good
citizen/neighbor and slow down to achieve the intent of the no wake
sign.

I'm not saying I don't because I do when possible.

But if somebody unfamiliar with the waters comes up on a No Wake Zone
and had to slow from 40 to 5 in the space of ten feet, it's not
properly placed.

That's my sole point. If you are going to stop people 100 yards away
from the No Wake Zone and tell them to slow down, then the buoys are
improperly placed - there is no reason to stop somebody 300 feet away
from the No Wake Zone.

The No Wake Zone should start well in advance of any area that could
be impacted - simple as that.

OK. Never mind the sign. How about seeing the marina, the channel and the
boat launch from 1000 feet away, and still not adjusting your wake?
Stoooopid....


Are you and Basskisser brothers?

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 21:09:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Maybe they ARE misplaced, but they are plainly worded: No wake.

Duh...

There is no mention of speed. If, theoretically, you had a boat
which could do 25 knots without a wake, you could legally transit
the no wake zone at 25 knots.

CT Slow/No Wake regulations.

Slow/No-Wake. A vessel shall not produce more than a minimum
wake and shall not attain speeds greater than 6 miles per hour over
the ground unless a higher minimum speed is necessary to maintain
steerageway when traveling with a strong current. In no case shall the
wake produced by the vessel be such that it creates a danger or injury
to persons, or will damage vessels or structures of any kind.

NY Slow regulation:

Improper Distance is operating a vessel at greater than 5 miles per
hour when operating within 100 feet of: The shore, A dock or pier, A
raft or float, An anchored or moored vessel.

I can't find a specific No Wake regulation, but it would appear that
the Slow regulation is the enforcement tool.

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 21:11:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:15:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:15:47 -0400, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign

And that is simply my point.... if you are proceeding at a no wake
speed immediately prior to the sign... that meets the word and intent
of the law.

SWS's position, if you are proceeding at a no wake speed
immediately prior to the sign and still hit the [whatever] with a
wake.... it is a poorly placed sign and should be repositioned to
achieve the desired result.... the operator is (lawfully) not at
fault... but if he knows this is likely the result, why not be a good
citizen/neighbor and slow down to achieve the intent of the no wake
sign.

I'm not saying I don't because I do when possible.

But if somebody unfamiliar with the waters comes up on a No Wake Zone
and had to slow from 40 to 5 in the space of ten feet, it's not
properly placed.

That's my sole point. If you are going to stop people 100 yards away
from the No Wake Zone and tell them to slow down, then the buoys are
improperly placed - there is no reason to stop somebody 300 feet away
from the No Wake Zone.

The No Wake Zone should start well in advance of any area that could
be impacted - simple as that.

OK. Never mind the sign. How about seeing the marina, the channel and the
boat launch from 1000 feet away, and still not adjusting your wake?
Stoooopid....

Apparently you aren't aware of your own state regulation concerning
this.

~~snerk~~

Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 17:38:39 -0400, "JimH"
wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 May 2007 13:15:40 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:15:47 -0400, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 09:49:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

They don't put the "school zone" sign on school property, it
is a reasonable distance up the road so it is enforcable.

If a school sign says "25 MPH," in relation to that sign, where have
you slowed to 25 MPH?

By the time I pass the sign

And that is simply my point.... if you are proceeding at a no wake
speed immediately prior to the sign... that meets the word and intent
of the law.

SWS's position, if you are proceeding at a no wake speed
immediately prior to the sign and still hit the [whatever] with a
wake.... it is a poorly placed sign and should be repositioned to
achieve the desired result.... the operator is (lawfully) not at
fault... but if he knows this is likely the result, why not be a good
citizen/neighbor and slow down to achieve the intent of the no wake
sign.

I'm not saying I don't because I do when possible.

But if somebody unfamiliar with the waters comes up on a No Wake Zone
and had to slow from 40 to 5 in the space of ten feet, it's not
properly placed.

That's my sole point. If you are going to stop people 100 yards away
from the No Wake Zone and tell them to slow down, then the buoys are
improperly placed - there is no reason to stop somebody 300 feet away
from the No Wake Zone.

The No Wake Zone should start well in advance of any area that could
be impacted - simple as that.

OK. Never mind the sign. How about seeing the marina, the channel and the
boat launch from 1000 feet away, and still not adjusting your wake?
Stoooopid....

Are you and Basskisser brothers?

Doug is just feeling his oats today.

Happens every once in a while.