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Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht, there's a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on the other side. About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone begins. Quite a few stoopids leaving the bay will approach the no-wake signs at full speed, which means their wakes cause as much trouble as if they'd just kept going at full speed. I guess the cops finally figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3 boats (one CG, actually), and they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300 feet before the no-wake zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're issuing tickets as if the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic being that your wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's huge to begin with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone. Doesn't matter because your wake will be there shortly. Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids. We had 2 of them run their boats at full speed within 75 feet of us while we were anchored (along with a dozen or so other boats) fishing. There are idiots on the water everywhere. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:52:56 -0400, Jack Goff wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to. Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane, then cut the throttle. If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out further. I agree with Jack on this one. In fact, I think the whole issue is misunderstood. If you are running up to a No Wake zone and slow down, the wake doesn't continue straight - it forms a V at the stern of the boat. So the fact that you slow down right before the No Wake zone shouldn't have any effect on the No-Wake zone itself if the markers are properly placed. Even running up to the marker WOT, the wake will still dissipate with minimal intrusion into the No Wake zone. And before we get the arguers in this, I do it all the time and my wake doesn't affect anything. Sound like over zealous cops and shoreline owners to me. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
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... On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:23:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake Zone". That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your boat has to be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get in trouble. That would depend on the law as written. I'm thinking the cops are stretching the law here. Most "no wake zones" are written concerning the boat. Some examples: Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Idle Speed - No Wake" must operate at the minimum speed that will maintain steerageway. (Florida) No person shall operate a powercraft within or through a shore zone, danger zone, or any area marked as a no wake zone at a speed that produces a wake. (Ohio) Operate within designated "no wake" area except at headway speed without creating a swell or wake. (Texas) When operating your boat in a no-wake zone you must proceed at a speed at which the vessel does not produce a wake, not to exceed 5 miles per hour. (Alaska) You'll notice all of the above state the boat be *in* a no wake zone. I haven't been able to locate the applicable New York law, but I'd want to see it before paying the ticket. I agree with your analysis. This will probably fail in court if it gets that far. They should just move the signs farther out. Fortunately (or not), NY does not require that local judges have a law degree. This is one of those times when local opinion (and common sense) could come in handy. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
On May 24, 7:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:52:56 -0400, Jack Goff wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to. Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane, then cut the throttle. If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out further. I agree with Jack on this one. In fact, I think the whole issue is misunderstood. If you are running up to a No Wake zone and slow down, the wake doesn't continue straight - it forms a V at the stern of the boat. So the fact that you slow down right before the No Wake zone shouldn't have any effect on the No-Wake zone itself if the markers are properly placed. Even running up to the marker WOT, the wake will still dissipate with minimal intrusion into the No Wake zone. And before we get the arguers in this, I do it all the time and my wake doesn't affect anything. Sound like over zealous cops and shoreline owners to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner folks! |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:52:56 -0400, Jack Goff wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to. Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane, then cut the throttle. If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out further. I agree with Jack on this one. In fact, I think the whole issue is misunderstood. If you are running up to a No Wake zone and slow down, the wake doesn't continue straight - it forms a V at the stern of the boat. So the fact that you slow down right before the No Wake zone shouldn't have any effect on the No-Wake zone itself if the markers are properly placed. Even running up to the marker WOT, the wake will still dissipate with minimal intrusion into the No Wake zone. And before we get the arguers in this, I do it all the time and my wake doesn't affect anything. Sound like over zealous cops and shoreline owners to me. No shoreline owners of anything for a half mile in either direction. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
On Fri, 25 May 2007 02:06:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:52:56 -0400, Jack Goff wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to. Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane, then cut the throttle. If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out further. I agree with Jack on this one. In fact, I think the whole issue is misunderstood. If you are running up to a No Wake zone and slow down, the wake doesn't continue straight - it forms a V at the stern of the boat. So the fact that you slow down right before the No Wake zone shouldn't have any effect on the No-Wake zone itself if the markers are properly placed. Even running up to the marker WOT, the wake will still dissipate with minimal intrusion into the No Wake zone. And before we get the arguers in this, I do it all the time and my wake doesn't affect anything. Sound like over zealous cops and shoreline owners to me. No shoreline owners of anything for a half mile in either direction. So why the no wake zone? Basically, it seems we are left with over zealous cops drumming up operating capital. Bottom line is... the markers are there to tell you that inside them, you can't make a wake. If they are ticketing boaters that are making wakes approaching no-wake markers, that is wrong. It doesn't matter if you or I don't like it, it's wrong. The markers are a line drawn in the "sand". Inside, no wake. Outside, wake OK. How are the cops determining what wakes are OK, and how far out they have to cease? Size of boat? Speed? Wake type? Direction of travel? I call BS. Understand that my slip is on the outer finger in the marina, and the no wake zone is barely 20-30 yards out from my slip. I get ****ed when some yahoo barrels through the zone and rocks the boats in their slips. But I don't get ****ed when someone runs up to the markers, then comes off plane and idles through the markers and marina. He did what the law requires. The markers should be moved out. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
On Fri, 25 May 2007 02:06:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:52:56 -0400, Jack Goff wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:43:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. Their way of thinking (or lack of it) is pretty obvious, which is what the cops are responding to. Agreed in general, but with one exception. Some boats have a much larger wake at half speed than they do at "high speed". So they'd have to either idle up to the markers, or approach fully on plane, then cut the throttle. If the no wake zone is truly being damaged by boats on plane outside the markers, then the markers are poorly placed. Move them out further. I agree with Jack on this one. In fact, I think the whole issue is misunderstood. If you are running up to a No Wake zone and slow down, the wake doesn't continue straight - it forms a V at the stern of the boat. So the fact that you slow down right before the No Wake zone shouldn't have any effect on the No-Wake zone itself if the markers are properly placed. Even running up to the marker WOT, the wake will still dissipate with minimal intrusion into the No Wake zone. And before we get the arguers in this, I do it all the time and my wake doesn't affect anything. Sound like over zealous cops and shoreline owners to me. No shoreline owners of anything for a half mile in either direction. Then either the original post was incomplete or we are missing information. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
What about the boat passing by the the inlet with no intention of entering
it? Can his wake get him a ticket too? The Coasties are overreaching on this one. If they want people to slow down 200-300 feet before the no-wake zone, then move the markers out 200-300 feet. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... At the outlet (to Lake Ontario) of the bay where I launch my yacht, there's a marina to one side of the outlet, and the public launch on the other side. About 200' further into the bay, a no-wake zone begins. Quite a few stoopids leaving the bay will approach the no-wake signs at full speed, which means their wakes cause as much trouble as if they'd just kept going at full speed. I guess the cops finally figured this out. Yesterday, they had 3 boats (one CG, actually), and they were flagging down stoopids about 200-300 feet before the no-wake zone. The guy at the boat launch said they're issuing tickets as if the stoopids were already in the zone, their logic being that your wake doesn't change much in 100 feet, especially if it's huge to begin with. They don't care if your boat's in the no-wake zone. Doesn't matter because your wake will be there shortly. Hopefully, this policy will spread. Watch out, stoopids. |
Proper interpretation of no-wake rules
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:46:01 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote: What the cops are doing makes perfect sense. The signs say "No Wake Zone". That means your wake can't enter that zone. It doesn't say your boat has to be in the zone while making a wake in order for you to get in trouble. That would depend on the law as written. I'm thinking the cops are stretching the law here. Most "no wake zones" are written concerning the boat. Some examples: Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Idle Speed - No Wake" must operate at the minimum speed that will maintain steerageway. (Florida) No person shall operate a powercraft within or through a shore zone, danger zone, or any area marked as a no wake zone at a speed that produces a wake. (Ohio) Operate within designated "no wake" area except at headway speed without creating a swell or wake. (Texas) When operating your boat in a no-wake zone you must proceed at a speed at which the vessel does not produce a wake, not to exceed 5 miles per hour. (Alaska) You'll notice all of the above state the boat be *in* a no wake zone. I haven't been able to locate the applicable New York law, but I'd want to see it before paying the ticket. You may be right about their interpretation, although I hope not. Every time I'm there, I see stoopids approach the no-wake signs at high speed, throwing wakes that are clearly inappropriate for the surroundings. 20-30 feet before the signs, they cut the throttle. So what. The CG should move the sign if they want them to slow down sooner. Those boaters are obeying the law. |
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