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In another thread, someone was discussing his bad experience with a
potential boat buyer. I wonder if sometimes things happen to buyers that thye just dont expect. For example, my wife and I looked at a piece of property in Wyoming we loved. We lived near there when first married and it is a true gem; mountaintop, 4 acres, on a paved year round access road, 20 min from town, flat, great view. She loved it and talked about buying it and we discussed going there each year in the summer etc. We already go to Wy every other summer. So, after nearly a year of back and forth with the owner, we agreed on a price. I arranged financing via a home equity loan, no problem with huge amount of equity. I arranged a realtor to draw up a contract, I did my homework on value. I talked it over with the owner and was ready to send the contract. Suddenly, my wife balks at it. She is worried about all the "what ifs". She wants to make sure there is no risk at all, etc. I cannot proceed with this unless my wife signs the home equity loan so now I look like a fool. I am sure the owner is cursing me and he has a right to but I really thought my wife was ready to do this. The owner prob will not be willing to deal with me again after this fiasco but from my position as buyer, this was totally unexpected. |
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On May 11, 9:24 pm, JR North wrote:
Interesting story. Q: Was your wife on board in the deal from the start, or did you initialize it with the seller, lay the groundwork, and then tell her? JR wrote: In another thread, someone was discussing his bad experience with a potential boat buyer. I wonder if sometimes things happen to buyers that thye just dont expect. For example, my wife and I looked at a piece of property in Wyoming we loved. We lived near there when first married and it is a true gem; mountaintop, 4 acres, on a paved year round access road, 20 min from town, flat, great view. She loved it and talked about buying it and we discussed going there each year in the summer etc. We already go to Wy every other summer. So, after nearly a year of back and forth with the owner, we agreed on a price. I arranged financing via a home equity loan, no problem with huge amount of equity. I arranged a realtor to draw up a contract, I did my homework on value. I talked it over with the owner and was ready to send the contract. Suddenly, my wife balks at it. She is worried about all the "what ifs". She wants to make sure there is no risk at all, etc. I cannot proceed with this unless my wife signs the home equity loan so now I look like a fool. I am sure the owner is cursing me and he has a right to but I really thought my wife was ready to do this. The owner prob will not be willing to deal with me again after this fiasco but from my position as buyer, this was totally unexpected. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth I told her we'd settled on a price and had gotten a realtor to draw up a contract. I thought she knew I was totally serious. In the past, she had few qualms about taking risks,in fact I married her because she was a risk taker. This sudden bout of the "what ifs" completely puzzles me. But you know, its just like the saying, "Women marry hoping to change their men, men marry hoping their women do not change." Now she says, "I dont want to do anything that might jeapordize our home in any way" which baffles the hell outta me. Whats the use of having equity if you arent going to use it as leverage. I think that having my own business for years has made me very casual about large sums of money and about risk in general. Her profession of being a public school teacher has emphasized low risk behaviour and covering her ass at all costs (I am not sure we want this type of people teaching our kids). I feel like I got blindsided on this and am too embarassed to call the seller back right now. Even though it was my wifes issues, I should take blame for not reading her correctly. Sometimes the buyer has problems they did not consider. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Yep, you had a communication failure. Lots of women don't like liens on their home. Men too, and I'm one of them. Age has a lot to do with it too. What younger people call leverage older people call just plain debt. A lienless home is a real ace in the hole, but it's hard to play it except on a real good hand. For many that hand can only be replacing or improving the house. Women are nesters and there is often no rhyme or reason for their attachment to a house. I've had many discussions with Mrs. E. regarding the 8000 square foot house we own but only two of us live in. It's not like we raised all the kids here or anything .... we bought it after they had all left the nest because it was ideally setup for her (then) new interest in having horses. Now, we don't even have the horses here ... they are boarded at a nearby training stable. The horse barn, which I have all kinds of ideas for converting for other uses, is off limits and remains spotlessly clean, ready to house the horses again if they ever return. (which, if I have my way, they won't). There are bedrooms and bathrooms in this house that have never been used, for cripes sake. No level of logic or rational thinking will permit any consideration on her part to selling it and moving into a more sensible house for two. Oh, well. I tell people it's like living in an empty Sheridan. Eisboch |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 08:43:47 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . There are bedrooms and bathrooms in this house that have never been used, for cripes sake. No level of logic or rational thinking will permit any consideration on her part to selling it and moving into a more sensible house for two. Oh, well. I tell people it's like living in an empty Sheridan. She might just have too many fond memories of the stables to make the break. Sometimes I think my wife is more attached to her gardens around the house than to the house itself. I know when I mention moving to Florida her main point of resistance is losing her gardens. I've studied Florida gardening a bit, but it looks like it's quite different than what she's accustomed to. See if you can find a smaller house that has stables. Even if you don't plan they will be occupied (-: --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
Sometimes I think my wife is more attached to her gardens around the house than to the house itself. I know when I mention moving to Florida her main point of resistance is losing her gardens. I've studied Florida gardening a bit, but it looks like it's quite different than what she's accustomed to. --Vic Depends on where you are in Florida. In North Florida, where we lived, almost anything would grow, and quickly, with nightly watering. Citrus was a gamble, though, because we did get winter freezes. But it was easy to grow a wide variety of familiar and unfamiliar flora, and bushes. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
Why not do the deal as a straight mortgage on the Wyoming property rather than a home equity loan? I was wondering the same thing. But he never really mentioned whether the property was improved or not, and unless it's a business related thing, the interest won't be tax deductible unless there's a home (2nd home) on it. Maybe that's the reason? Rick |
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On May 12, 9:45 am, wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: Why not do the deal as a straight mortgage on the Wyoming property rather than a home equity loan? I was wondering the same thing. But he never really mentioned whether the property was improved or not, and unless it's a business related thing, the interest won't be tax deductible unless there's a home (2nd home) on it. Maybe that's the reason? Rick The property has a 100 yr old 400 sq ft log cabin. The inspector gave 3 options, burn it down, tear it down or pull it down. He also thought the snow from 2 more winters would do the job. So, it is basically unimproved. |
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On May 12, 10:12 am, wrote:
On May 12, 9:45 am, wrote: Wayne.B wrote: Why not do the deal as a straight mortgage on the Wyoming property rather than a home equity loan? I was wondering the same thing. But he never really mentioned whether the property was improved or not, and unless it's a business related thing, the interest won't be tax deductible unless there's a home (2nd home) on it. Maybe that's the reason? Rick The property has a 100 yr old 400 sq ft log cabin. The inspector gave 3 options, burn it down, tear it down or pull it down. He also thought the snow from 2 more winters would do the job. So, it is basically unimproved. I'll probably look into a straight mortgage this next week if the owner will still deal with me. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On 11 May 2007 19:08:55 -0700, wrote: I told her we'd settled on a price and had gotten a realtor to draw up a contract. I thought she knew I was totally serious. In the past, she had few qualms about taking risks,in fact I married her because she was a risk taker. This sudden bout of the "what ifs" completely puzzles me. But you know, its just like the saying, "Women marry hoping to change their men, men marry hoping their women do not change." Now she says, "I dont want to do anything that might jeapordize our home in any way" which baffles the hell outta me. Whats the use of having equity if you arent going to use it as leverage. I think that having my own business for years has made me very casual about large sums of money and about risk in general. Her profession of being a public school teacher has emphasized low risk behaviour and covering her ass at all costs (I am not sure we want this type of people teaching our kids). I feel like I got blindsided on this and am too embarassed to call the seller back right now. Even though it was my wifes issues, I should take blame for not reading her correctly. Sometimes the buyer has problems they did not consider. Yep, you had a communication failure. Lots of women don't like liens on their home. Men too, and I'm one of them. Age has a lot to do with it too. What younger people call leverage older people call just plain debt. A lienless home is a real ace in the hole, but it's hard to play it except on a real good hand. For many that hand can only be replacing or improving the house. --Vic After paying a mortgage bi-weekly year after year, I was happy as hell to retire the mortgage about seven years ago. That's also why I keep my old low mileage mini-van... it was paid for 8 years ago. You can always go back into debt when the mood strikes you. |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:40:05 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: Sometimes I think my wife is more attached to her gardens around the house than to the house itself. I know when I mention moving to Florida her main point of resistance is losing her gardens. I've studied Florida gardening a bit, but it looks like it's quite different than what she's accustomed to. --Vic Depends on where you are in Florida. In North Florida, where we lived, almost anything would grow, and quickly, with nightly watering. Citrus was a gamble, though, because we did get winter freezes. But it was easy to grow a wide variety of familiar and unfamiliar flora, and bushes. Good point. Most of what I looked at was "tropical" Florida growing. Above the freeze line would still suit me fine. After discussing this thread with my wife, I've concluded the "no going back" once you sell is the biggest issue for us. Renting this house out and renting one down there for a year or two might be an option. The "nest" will remain waiting if the new one doesn't work. --Vic |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:35:42 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: After paying a mortgage bi-weekly year after year, I was happy as hell to retire the mortgage about seven years ago. That's also why I keep my old low mileage mini-van... it was paid for 8 years ago. You can always go back into debt when the mood strikes you. You got that right. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:40:05 -0400, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: Sometimes I think my wife is more attached to her gardens around the house than to the house itself. I know when I mention moving to Florida her main point of resistance is losing her gardens. I've studied Florida gardening a bit, but it looks like it's quite different than what she's accustomed to. --Vic Depends on where you are in Florida. In North Florida, where we lived, almost anything would grow, and quickly, with nightly watering. Citrus was a gamble, though, because we did get winter freezes. But it was easy to grow a wide variety of familiar and unfamiliar flora, and bushes. Good point. Most of what I looked at was "tropical" Florida growing. Above the freeze line would still suit me fine. After discussing this thread with my wife, I've concluded the "no going back" once you sell is the biggest issue for us. Renting this house out and renting one down there for a year or two might be an option. The "nest" will remain waiting if the new one doesn't work. --Vic I really recommend North Florida, from about St. Augustine north, as a great place for northerners to relocate. First, real estate prices and most other prices are lower than in South Florida. Second, the climate is better. There really are seasons, albeit the winter is mild. Third, there are many beautiful uncrowded beaches. The downside is that the area is parochial, and infested with right-wing religious nutcases. But you can avoid them for the most part. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:00 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I really recommend North Florida, from about St. Augustine north, as a great place for northerners to relocate. snips The downside is that the area is parochial, and infested with right-wing religious nutcases. But you can avoid them for the most part. Don't worry, a lot of the screwballs are trying to move north.... http://christianexodus.org/ Why don't they move to texas, where they belong? |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:00 -0400, HK wrote:
I really recommend North Florida, from about St. Augustine north, as a great place for northerners to relocate. First, real estate prices and most other prices are lower than in South Florida. Second, the climate is better. There really are seasons, albeit the winter is mild. Third, there are many beautiful uncrowded beaches. The downside is that the area is parochial, and infested with right-wing religious nutcases. But you can avoid them for the most part. Finding your neighbors are running meth labs and let their pit bulls run loose is probably a bigger concern, but I know what you mean. I was raised a Baptist, but haven't been in a church for years, except for weddings and funerals. Even less chance of me going to church down there with all that rattlesnake kissing going on. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:00 -0400, HK wrote: I really recommend North Florida, from about St. Augustine north, as a great place for northerners to relocate. First, real estate prices and most other prices are lower than in South Florida. Second, the climate is better. There really are seasons, albeit the winter is mild. Third, there are many beautiful uncrowded beaches. The downside is that the area is parochial, and infested with right-wing religious nutcases. But you can avoid them for the most part. Finding your neighbors are running meth labs and let their pit bulls run loose is probably a bigger concern, but I know what you mean. I was raised a Baptist, but haven't been in a church for years, except for weddings and funerals. Even less chance of me going to church down there with all that rattlesnake kissing going on. --Vic The first and only time I ran into snake handlers was in Loudoun County, Virginia, near Dulles Airport. I took a wrong turn while driving to Dulles and found myself on a lovely little country road. On that road was a little church where the faithful were involved in an outdoor snake prayer fest. This was in 1970 or so. I'd bet that church is long gone by now. For the first year we lived in Florida, not a week went by without some uninvited church representatives knocking on our door and asking all sorts of questions they had no business asking. They really were obnoxious. |
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On May 12, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:08:00 -0400, HK wrote: I really recommend North Florida, from about St. Augustine north, as a great place for northerners to relocate. First, real estate prices and most other prices are lower than in South Florida. Second, the climate is better. There really are seasons, albeit the winter is mild. Third, there are many beautiful uncrowded beaches. The downside is that the area is parochial, and infested with right-wing religious nutcases. But you can avoid them for the most part. Finding your neighbors are running meth labs and let their pit bulls run loose is probably a bigger concern, but I know what you mean. I was raised a Baptist, but haven't been in a church for years, except for weddings and funerals. Even less chance of me going to church down there with all that rattlesnake kissing going on. --Vic The first and only time I ran into snake handlers was in Loudoun County, Virginia, near Dulles Airport. I took a wrong turn while driving to Dulles and found myself on a lovely little country road. On that road was a little church where the faithful were involved in an outdoor snake prayer fest. This was in 1970 or so. I'd bet that church is long gone by now. For the first year we lived in Florida, not a week went by without some uninvited church representatives knocking on our door and asking all sorts of questions they had no business asking. They really were obnoxious. I am a 5th generation North Florida native and y'all aint invited to come spoil my little corner of paradise. Although I am sure the people of Wyoming feel the same way about me buying property there, there is litle danger of Wy becoming overpopulated. So, yankees and south Florida refugees, stay away. On a boating topic, I took my Tolman Skiff over to Dog Island today from Carabelle, beautiful water, hardly anybody around, it was wonderful. However, the sight of the damned condos that have been built on the old boat yard and my favorite oyster bar makes me realize it wont be long befoe its ruined. |
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Don White wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On 11 May 2007 19:08:55 -0700, wrote: I told her we'd settled on a price and had gotten a realtor to draw up a contract. I thought she knew I was totally serious. In the past, she had few qualms about taking risks,in fact I married her because she was a risk taker. This sudden bout of the "what ifs" completely puzzles me. But you know, its just like the saying, "Women marry hoping to change their men, men marry hoping their women do not change." Now she says, "I dont want to do anything that might jeapordize our home in any way" which baffles the hell outta me. Whats the use of having equity if you arent going to use it as leverage. I think that having my own business for years has made me very casual about large sums of money and about risk in general. Her profession of being a public school teacher has emphasized low risk behaviour and covering her ass at all costs (I am not sure we want this type of people teaching our kids). I feel like I got blindsided on this and am too embarassed to call the seller back right now. Even though it was my wifes issues, I should take blame for not reading her correctly. Sometimes the buyer has problems they did not consider. Yep, you had a communication failure. Lots of women don't like liens on their home. Men too, and I'm one of them. Age has a lot to do with it too. What younger people call leverage older people call just plain debt. A lienless home is a real ace in the hole, but it's hard to play it except on a real good hand. For many that hand can only be replacing or improving the house. --Vic After paying a mortgage bi-weekly year after year, I was happy as hell to retire the mortgage about seven years ago. That's also why I keep my old low mileage mini-van... it was paid for 8 years ago. You can always go back into debt when the mood strikes you. You bought into that bi-weekly game? What did they charge for the "service"? It's well known that you can add $100, $500, $1000, or whatever you want to your principal payment every month for no charge and accomplish the same goal without fees. These bi-weekly payment "services" charge a fee based on their creative advertising when the simple reality is that you can do it yourself. As for remaining debt-free, do you expect to outlive your minivan? Chances are that you will have to replace it. |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On 11 May 2007 19:08:55 -0700, wrote: I told her we'd settled on a price and had gotten a realtor to draw up a contract. I thought she knew I was totally serious. In the past, she had few qualms about taking risks,in fact I married her because she was a risk taker. This sudden bout of the "what ifs" completely puzzles me. But you know, its just like the saying, "Women marry hoping to change their men, men marry hoping their women do not change." Now she says, "I dont want to do anything that might jeapordize our home in any way" which baffles the hell outta me. Whats the use of having equity if you arent going to use it as leverage. I think that having my own business for years has made me very casual about large sums of money and about risk in general. Her profession of being a public school teacher has emphasized low risk behaviour and covering her ass at all costs (I am not sure we want this type of people teaching our kids). I feel like I got blindsided on this and am too embarassed to call the seller back right now. Even though it was my wifes issues, I should take blame for not reading her correctly. Sometimes the buyer has problems they did not consider. Yep, you had a communication failure. Lots of women don't like liens on their home. Men too, and I'm one of them. Age has a lot to do with it too. What younger people call leverage older people call just plain debt. A lienless home is a real ace in the hole, but it's hard to play it except on a real good hand. For many that hand can only be replacing or improving the house. --Vic After paying a mortgage bi-weekly year after year, I was happy as hell to retire the mortgage about seven years ago. That's also why I keep my old low mileage mini-van... it was paid for 8 years ago. You can always go back into debt when the mood strikes you. You bought into that bi-weekly game? What did they charge for the "service"? It's well known that you can add $100, $500, $1000, or whatever you want to your principal payment every month for no charge and accomplish the same goal without fees. These bi-weekly payment "services" charge a fee based on their creative advertising when the simple reality is that you can do it yourself. As for remaining debt-free, do you expect to outlive your minivan? Chances are that you will have to replace it. I don't recall any 'fee' for the priviledge of paying bi-weekly. That must be an American thing. As for my vehicles, when my 3 year lease is up on the 2006 Ford Ranger in March 2009 I hope to have enough loonies & toonies saved to put a good down payment on a Toyota Highlander. |
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Thought so.
JR wrote: On May 11, 9:24 pm, JR North wrote: Interesting story. Q: Was your wife on board in the deal from the start, or did you initialize it with the seller, lay the groundwork, and then tell her? JR wrote: In another thread, someone was discussing his bad experience with a potential boat buyer. I wonder if sometimes things happen to buyers that thye just dont expect. For example, my wife and I looked at a piece of property in Wyoming we loved. We lived near there when first married and it is a true gem; mountaintop, 4 acres, on a paved year round access road, 20 min from town, flat, great view. She loved it and talked about buying it and we discussed going there each year in the summer etc. We already go to Wy every other summer. So, after nearly a year of back and forth with the owner, we agreed on a price. I arranged financing via a home equity loan, no problem with huge amount of equity. I arranged a realtor to draw up a contract, I did my homework on value. I talked it over with the owner and was ready to send the contract. Suddenly, my wife balks at it. She is worried about all the "what ifs". She wants to make sure there is no risk at all, etc. I cannot proceed with this unless my wife signs the home equity loan so now I look like a fool. I am sure the owner is cursing me and he has a right to but I really thought my wife was ready to do this. The owner prob will not be willing to deal with me again after this fiasco but from my position as buyer, this was totally unexpected. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth I told her we'd settled on a price and had gotten a realtor to draw up a contract. I thought she knew I was totally serious. In the past, she had few qualms about taking risks,in fact I married her because she was a risk taker. This sudden bout of the "what ifs" completely puzzles me. But you know, its just like the saying, "Women marry hoping to change their men, men marry hoping their women do not change." Now she says, "I dont want to do anything that might jeapordize our home in any way" which baffles the hell outta me. Whats the use of having equity if you arent going to use it as leverage. I think that having my own business for years has made me very casual about large sums of money and about risk in general. Her profession of being a public school teacher has emphasized low risk behaviour and covering her ass at all costs (I am not sure we want this type of people teaching our kids). I feel like I got blindsided on this and am too embarassed to call the seller back right now. Even though it was my wifes issues, I should take blame for not reading her correctly. Sometimes the buyer has problems they did not consider. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On May 13, 12:07 am, Vic Smith
wrote: On 12 May 2007 17:00:22 -0700, wrote: I am a 5th generation North Florida native and y'all aint invited to come spoil my little corner of paradise. Although I am sure the people of Wyoming feel the same way about me buying property there, there is litle danger of Wy becoming overpopulated. So, yankees and south Florida refugees, stay away. Some southern hospitality that is. On a boating topic, I took my Tolman Skiff over to Dog Island today from Carabelle, beautiful water, hardly anybody around, it was wonderful. However, the sight of the damned condos that have been built on the old boat yard and my favorite oyster bar makes me realize it wont be long befoe its ruined. Probably last longer than SW Florida. My first trip down there was in '78. Real pretty. Cape Coral had @25k people, Pine Island was undeveloped, and fishing was terrific from bridges, canal banks, and boats. By '85 it was all a mess, and I never went back. What you need down there is about 5 years of heavy hurricanes to turn those condos into reefs and clean out them Yankee carpetbaggers. Al Gore just might have something in mind to take care of that. Looks like he's already set fire to the place. --Vic I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. However, our dumb ass politicians have made those of us who are smart enough to not own property on the coast pay for those who think its a good idea. They have made us inlanders help to subsidize the insurance of those who want to live dangerously on the coast. Thus, former boat yards and fishhouses have been turned into condos inviting further financial disaster such that several companies refuse to insure in FL at all because the state demands they insure unsafe properties on the coast. I don't ask non-boat owners to help pay my boat insurance, why should I have to help pay for dangerous coastal property? Southern Hospitality: C'mon down, stay awhile, THEN LEAVE. |
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On May 13, 11:05 am, HK wrote:
wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? I prob have more education than you. That said, read your own post, "your highways", they are publicly owned, not private like condos. YES, more hurricanes, clean "OUR" beaches. Make people pay their own costs of living dangerously. No subsidies for the rich yankees. Fewer rich yankees, we need fewer roads. Run Disney out of FL. |
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On May 13, 11:27 am, HK wrote:
wrote: On May 13, 11:05 am, HK wrote: wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? I prob have more education than you. That said, read your own post, "your highways", they are publicly owned, not private like condos. YES, more hurricanes, clean "OUR" beaches. Make people pay their own costs of living dangerously. No subsidies for the rich yankees. Fewer rich yankees, we need fewer roads. Run Disney out of FL. You're too stupid for consideration. Into the bozo bin you go. Bye. His argument is crap, so he takes the easy way out, NEXT. |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 11:05:53 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? Locally...... Actually, there is a lot of truth in what he says. Big money builds big structures at the water's edge and insures them under the NC Beach Plan. Obviously and predictably, they are going to be damaged (if not splintered and scattered the length of the island) in any significant storm. Since insurance in the 18 coastal NC counties is underwritten by them.... we all pay elevated costs due to the idiots that build in harm's way. With protest, I'm subsidizing many for-profit corporation's dubious surfside ventures and helping with the insurance costs of multi-million dollar houses sitting at the edge of the surf. In fact, the NC law enacted to prevent re-building on lots condemned due to storm erosion has been challenged and those lots, (very temporarily) reclaimed by dredging, are again buildable. Thus, again, proving that you are entitled to all of the justice that you can afford to buy. And the influx of snowbirds? They have virtually erased all of the charm that once drew people here to vacation. Now we have traffic jams, condos, crowded beaches, fewer piers, and a disappearing marine economy.... not to mention the fact that tax valuations have jumped by 309% in four years. Lewis Grizzard was right. I'm not commenting on the seemingly uncontrolled growth. I am commenting on his call for hurricanes. Only an a**hole wishes for such events, so that there will be all sorts of landside property damage and, probably, deaths. |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 11:05:53 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? The interstate on the west coast is the kind of development that destroyed much of the natural beauty of Florida. I used to vacation there by trekking down 41, and argued with my dad about the interstate. He had a small auction business on 41 near Ft Myers and wanted that interstate bad. I said it would f**k up the natural beauty and bring crowding. I was right. And he went out of business due to mega-store competition. You're mouthpiecing the Chamber of Commerce if you think all commerce is "good." This is an endless philosophical argument, but I see frogsters side and essentially agree with him regarding Florida. No different in many respects than folks not wanting a nuke power plant down the street. And some places are barring new construction on ocean fronts. --Vic |
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On May 13, 12:09 pm, Vic Smith
wrote: On 13 May 2007 07:54:46 -0700, wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. However, our dumb ass politicians have made those of us who are smart enough to not own property on the coast pay for those who think its a good idea. They have made us inlanders help to subsidize the insurance of those who want to live dangerously on the coast. Thus, former boat yards and fishhouses have been turned into condos inviting further financial disaster such that several companies refuse to insure in FL at all because the state demands they insure unsafe properties on the coast. I don't ask non-boat owners to help pay my boat insurance, why should I have to help pay for dangerous coastal property? I'm not too affected by insurance communism where I live, and my answer to your question would be highly political, so I won't give it. Sports communism costs me more in my monthly cable TV bill. I don't give a damn about millionaire athletes and their games, but them and their "fans" extract a nice chunk of money from me every month so my wife can watch Lifetime and Home Shopping Network. Hurricanes are the best solution for your problem, having the added benefit that they can be laid to God's wrath, with the caveat that the wrath is unleashed only because of the sins of Al Gore. Southern Hospitality: C'mon down, stay awhile, THEN LEAVE. 30 years max if I'm not required to attend Sunday rattlesnake church, and you occasionally have me over for grits. Otherwise arriving Monday, departing Saturday. But I'm actually looking more at Wyoming now after seeing how people like it there (-: --Vic Well Vic, go in on this property with me then. If you come on down to North Fl, we'll give ya cheese grits, hushpuppies and fried mullet with a large iced tea to wash it down. |
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HK wrote:
wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? Busted highways put more union members to work. Shortsighted response Harold. |
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HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 11:05:53 -0400, HK penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: wrote: I cheer for hurricanes, Gods way of cleaning the beaches of condo filth. Uneducated a**hole. Got any interstate highways near you? Maybe we should cheer for earthquakes, so your highways are destroyed, and you are stuck in your little redneck town, eh? Locally...... Actually, there is a lot of truth in what he says. Big money builds big structures at the water's edge and insures them under the NC Beach Plan. Obviously and predictably, they are going to be damaged (if not splintered and scattered the length of the island) in any significant storm. Since insurance in the 18 coastal NC counties is underwritten by them.... we all pay elevated costs due to the idiots that build in harm's way. With protest, I'm subsidizing many for-profit corporation's dubious surfside ventures and helping with the insurance costs of multi-million dollar houses sitting at the edge of the surf. In fact, the NC law enacted to prevent re-building on lots condemned due to storm erosion has been challenged and those lots, (very temporarily) reclaimed by dredging, are again buildable. Thus, again, proving that you are entitled to all of the justice that you can afford to buy. And the influx of snowbirds? They have virtually erased all of the charm that once drew people here to vacation. Now we have traffic jams, condos, crowded beaches, fewer piers, and a disappearing marine economy.... not to mention the fact that tax valuations have jumped by 309% in four years. Lewis Grizzard was right. I'm not commenting on the seemingly uncontrolled growth. I am commenting on his call for hurricanes. Only an a**hole wishes for such events, so that there will be all sorts of landside property damage and, probably, deaths. Harold, why are you admonishing someone about wishing death on people? Are you upset that he has taken over your line. |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:58:41 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 11:25:49 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: No different in many respects than folks not wanting a nuke power plant down the street. Trust me, you don't want one. We have one, here, and besides (with current technology) being a dirty source of energy, it is just plain expensive. What's dirty about it, besides fuel disposal? (Wyoming might be a good repository of spent fuel.) Is it releasing as much radiation as a coal-fired plant? I've read coal is anywhere from 3 to 100 times worse than nuke plants in releasing radiation to the atmosphere. --Vic |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 13:14:53 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On 13 May 2007 09:27:41 -0700, penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Well Vic, go in on this property with me then. If you come on down to North Fl, we'll give ya cheese grits, hushpuppies and fried mullet with a large iced tea to wash it down. Better warn him about the sugar in the tea.... But I always sugar my tea. Hope there isn't some "special" Florida sugar I haven't head about. --Vic |
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 23:03:36 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: I don't recall any 'fee' for the priviledge of paying bi-weekly. That must be an American thing. As for my vehicles, when my 3 year lease is up on the 2006 Ford Ranger in March 2009 I hope to have enough loonies & toonies saved to put a good down payment on a Toyota Highlander. The fact that more is paid is kept pretty well hidden! |
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