"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 03:33:48 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price

I know what you mean.

Then there's negotiation and negotiation. I'm not a negotiator in any
sense of the word. I always buy my cars from the same dealer (have
for over thirty years), I've bought my boat engines from the same
dealer (plus about 8 boats over 30 years), I always have car repairs
done by the same mechanic, etc. I value them as friends and business
men/women and they value me as a customer. If they say this is the
price, fine - I have faith that I'm not getting hosed and in fact, I'm
not. One the other hand, they have faith that I will return when
necessary and that I'm easy to deal with. There is an added advantage
that if I show up with a problem, it's taken care of immediately - I
don't expect that kind of treatment and insist that it be taken care
of in order so not to unconvinced others, but...

I just hate it when things like this happen. It's not that I expect
people to buy it if I work hard at giving them the information they
want - that's part of selling something.

I do expect to be treated with respect like any other normal human
being. This clown was talking about the auto jib furler. It's a
Harken furler, but he was all hot and bothered because it wasn't a CDI
which is more common thus better.

What?

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about a lot of things -
I'm not the Universal Renaissance Man. Larger cruising boats for
instance and I haven't sailed in years so there are gaps in my
knowledge. But I'm not stupid and I do know the basics and I do know
small boats. I can also research and talk to others who do know.

You respect me and I'll respect you and we'll get things done. I
insisted on it in my business dealings and I expect it personally.

~~ sigh ~~

Rant off. :)


Harken is a well known respected name. When someone buys a boat like a
Halman or Nordica 20 they shouldn't expect a performance boat.
Besides a small cockpit (better for sea passages) the only complaint I've
heard about the boats is that they are slow.
As you said, it's a perfect boat for gunkholing around and cruising on a
relaxed timetable.

On May 10, 8:28 am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:4h0643h9q7jmhi3ro3abvla1glrt7mrv2v@4ax .com...



On Thu, 10 May 2007 03:33:48 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price

I know what you mean.

Then there's negotiation and negotiation. I'm not a negotiator in any
sense of the word. I always buy my cars from the same dealer (have
for over thirty years), I've bought my boat engines from the same
dealer (plus about 8 boats over 30 years), I always have car repairs
done by the same mechanic, etc. I value them as friends and business
men/women and they value me as a customer. If they say this is the
price, fine - I have faith that I'm not getting hosed and in fact, I'm
not. One the other hand, they have faith that I will return when
necessary and that I'm easy to deal with. There is an added advantage
that if I show up with a problem, it's taken care of immediately - I
don't expect that kind of treatment and insist that it be taken care
of in order so not to unconvinced others, but...

I just hate it when things like this happen. It's not that I expect
people to buy it if I work hard at giving them the information they
want - that's part of selling something.

I do expect to be treated with respect like any other normal human
being. This clown was talking about the auto jib furler. It's a
Harken furler, but he was all hot and bothered because it wasn't a CDI
which is more common thus better.

What?

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about a lot of things -
I'm not the Universal Renaissance Man. Larger cruising boats for
instance and I haven't sailed in years so there are gaps in my
knowledge. But I'm not stupid and I do know the basics and I do know
small boats. I can also research and talk to others who do know.
Halmans need wind. They are capable for a voyage and can handle the wind and speed see the video: http://ochaye.strangepics.net/supersailing.wmv
and more information on Halmans he
http://www.nordicaboats.com/html/halmans.html

I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!




You respect me and I'll respect you and we'll get things done. I
insisted on it in my business dealings and I expect it personally.

~~ sigh ~~

Rant off. :)

Harken is a well known respected name. When someone buys a boat like a
Halman or Nordica 20 they shouldn't expect a performance boat.
Besides a small cockpit (better for sea passages) the only complaint I've
heard about the boats is that they are slow.
As you said, it's a perfect boat for gunkholing around and cruising on a
relaxed timetable.

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I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!


Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.
Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:19:15 -0300, "Don White"
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I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!

Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.

I haven't shot anybody in - well, close to forty years now.

Not that I haven't wanted to mind you, but... :)

Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

Well, now that I've established the Universal Free State of Shortwave,
I'm afraid that he will have to apply to my Department of Free State
Security for entrance.

However, for a small fee, I can "expedite" the process that will allow
safe passage through my army of Ninja Dogs, the automated roaming
roboguns, the sentient self-aware Bolo tanks and a nasty little piece
of military hardware I picked up in another dimension - a menagerie of
robo animals with all kinds of nasty weaponry.

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:19:15 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
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I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!

Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.

I haven't shot anybody in - well, close to forty years now.

Not that I haven't wanted to mind you, but... :)

Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

Well, now that I've established the Universal Free State of Shortwave,
I'm afraid that he will have to apply to my Department of Free State
Security for entrance.

However, for a small fee, I can "expedite" the process that will allow
safe passage through my army of Ninja Dogs, the automated roaming
roboguns, the sentient self-aware Bolo tanks and a nasty little piece
of military hardware I picked up in another dimension - a menagerie of
robo animals with all kinds of nasty weaponry.

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

That where the Purple People Eaters now live?

On Mon, 21 May 2007 06:00:11 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:19:15 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
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I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!

Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.

I haven't shot anybody in - well, close to forty years now.

Not that I haven't wanted to mind you, but... :)

Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

Well, now that I've established the Universal Free State of Shortwave,
I'm afraid that he will have to apply to my Department of Free State
Security for entrance.

However, for a small fee, I can "expedite" the process that will allow
safe passage through my army of Ninja Dogs, the automated roaming
roboguns, the sentient self-aware Bolo tanks and a nasty little piece
of military hardware I picked up in another dimension - a menagerie of
robo animals with all kinds of nasty weaponry.

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

That where the Purple People Eaters now live?

No - they fly CAP.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 06:00:11 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:19:15 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
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I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!

Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.

I haven't shot anybody in - well, close to forty years now.

Not that I haven't wanted to mind you, but... :)

Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

Well, now that I've established the Universal Free State of Shortwave,
I'm afraid that he will have to apply to my Department of Free State
Security for entrance.

However, for a small fee, I can "expedite" the process that will allow
safe passage through my army of Ninja Dogs, the automated roaming
roboguns, the sentient self-aware Bolo tanks and a nasty little piece
of military hardware I picked up in another dimension - a menagerie of
robo animals with all kinds of nasty weaponry.

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

That where the Purple People Eaters now live?

No - they fly CAP.

Saw a Tee Shirt being worn today when I was at Costco. May apply to even a
few here.
"Lots of people are alive as it is illegal to kill them."

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

You have a moat?? I may have to move back to CT so I can have one too. They
say that I might attract a mosquito if I build one here in CA....

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:19:15 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

I am very interested in Halmans with trailers...butt...am afraid of
guns!

Tom doesn't shoot anyone anymore...... at least not very often.

I haven't shot anybody in - well, close to forty years now.

Not that I haven't wanted to mind you, but... :)

Just call the bunker ahead of time and he'll allow safe passage.

Well, now that I've established the Universal Free State of Shortwave,
I'm afraid that he will have to apply to my Department of Free State
Security for entrance.

However, for a small fee, I can "expedite" the process that will allow
safe passage through my army of Ninja Dogs, the automated roaming
roboguns, the sentient self-aware Bolo tanks and a nasty little piece
of military hardware I picked up in another dimension - a menagerie of
robo animals with all kinds of nasty weaponry.

We won't even discuss the critters and weapons that guard the moat.

On Tue, 22 May 2007 05:45:03 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

You have a moat?? I may have to move back to CT so I can have one too. They
say that I might attract a mosquito if I build one here in CA....

Speaking of mosquitos...

http://blogs.forbes.com/digitalrules...r_heart_w.html

On 20 May 2007 06:34:07 -0700, wrote:

I am very interested in Halmans with trailers

Just sold one. Wish I could have sailed it.


...butt...am afraid of guns!

Even I'm afraid of guns and to paraphrase Phil Gramm - "I have more
guns than I need, and fewer guns than I want." :)

Being afraid of guns is healthy because they can hurt you and others
if you aren't careful with them.

Which is why my kids learned at a very early age how to handle guns,
respect guns and use them properly. Oddly, the girls picked up the
lessons easier and much more efficiently than the boys did. :)