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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views
expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning
political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline in
the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per
gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached,
encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order
to
reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now
blaming
big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the
natural
increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a
real
president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never
find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at
some
point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and
volunteer
to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time you're
ready to
buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real needs. Stop thinking
that
the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford Focus. Ignore the crap
you're being
told in the commercials. Is the only reason you bought an SUV that
you have
a family of 5 and a week's worth of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit
your needs
equally well? Did you justify the SUV by convincing yourself they
were
safer, or that you wanted to be able to see over all the other
trucks? Did
you buy a pickup to haul 3 sheets of plywood just once in the entire
time
you owned the vehicle? Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have
to go
out and buy a Prius or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your
gas usage
by 30%, just by looking at the difference between an SUV and a
mini-van?
(points to chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't create laws
to
change your buying habits, and there's nothing I can do about what
oil
companies charge for fuel. But, you are capable of having a
significant
impact on how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready. If
they
continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their problem,
not
yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't pick
a
better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg


Very valid and convincing thought, but *grow up, already* would shoot
it down.


Maybe. But let's face it: It's true. The only way to deny it is to give
many consumers a pass by saying they were brainwashed by advertising,
which is pretty powerful stuff.


Here you go again trying to dictate what consumers can purchase.


Once again, I said nothing of the sort. But, as I wrote the original
message, I wondered if you or someone like you would come along and claim
something was being "dictated".


Nice spin. No cigar though.


No spin. I remembered that you or one of your clones had the same reaction
in the past. It went even further - some bull**** about "too much government
from the left". During WWII, do you think FDR talked to the nation about
having to make certain sacrifices? Was it viewed as dictating, or asking for
participation?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views
expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning
political
views were concerned about the high consumption rate of gasoline
in the
USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low price per
gallon
compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was preached,
encouraged
and some even advocated raising the price of gas to force further
conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient autos in order
to
reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now
blaming
big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the
natural
increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested
methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a
real
president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never
find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at
some
point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and
volunteer
to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time you're
ready to
buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real needs. Stop
thinking that
the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford Focus. Ignore the crap
you're being
told in the commercials. Is the only reason you bought an SUV that
you have
a family of 5 and a week's worth of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit
your needs
equally well? Did you justify the SUV by convincing yourself they
were
safer, or that you wanted to be able to see over all the other
trucks? Did
you buy a pickup to haul 3 sheets of plywood just once in the entire
time
you owned the vehicle? Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have
to go
out and buy a Prius or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your
gas usage
by 30%, just by looking at the difference between an SUV and a
mini-van?
(points to chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't create laws
to
change your buying habits, and there's nothing I can do about what
oil
companies charge for fuel. But, you are capable of having a
significant
impact on how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready.
If they
continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their problem,
not
yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't
pick a
better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg


Very valid and convincing thought, but *grow up, already* would shoot
it down.


Maybe. But let's face it: It's true. The only way to deny it is to
give many consumers a pass by saying they were brainwashed by
advertising, which is pretty powerful stuff.


Here you go again trying to dictate what consumers can purchase.


Once again, I said nothing of the sort. But, as I wrote the original
message, I wondered if you or someone like you would come along and
claim something was being "dictated".


Nice spin. No cigar though.


No spin. I remembered that you or one of your clones had the same
reaction......


When will I learn that trying to carry on an adult level discussion with you
is impossible.

Have a great night Doug. I am done with you.


Everything below is irrelevant to what I said in the original message.



Not really........you brought up the auto advertising.



Regarding the advertising, the Big 3 have knocked off attacking each
other and are focusing on "buy American". The problem is that buying
American may mean buying a Toyota and not a Cadillac. It is now a
global economy and one can no longer be assured that the GM, Ford or
Chrysler product is manufactured in the US or that the majority of
components are US made.

The Big 3 deserves what is happening to them. Lack of foresight,
management giving the unions whatever they wanted and executives
receiving outrageous salaries/bonus's/incentives have led to their
demise. One example is the new Ford CEO, Alan Mulally (hired on
September, 2006 taking over after Bill Ford Jr resigned) taking in $39
million in salary, stock options and bonus money for those 4 months.
This was after Ford had a net loss of almost $13 billion in 2006.

They continue to dig their own grave.

"JimH" wrote in message
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Here you go again trying to dictate what consumers can purchase.


Once again, I said nothing of the sort. But, as I wrote the original
message, I wondered if you or someone like you would come along and
claim something was being "dictated".


Nice spin. No cigar though.


No spin. I remembered that you or one of your clones had the same
reaction......


When will I learn that trying to carry on an adult level discussion with
you is impossible.

Have a great night Doug. I am done with you.


You've got to be careful how you brand yourself. The marks remain visible
forever. You have kneejerk reaction to the suggestion that individuals can
improve conditions in this country. You want someone else to fix things. By
my definition, that is treason. You should renounce your citizenship.