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On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:10:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real

BBBAAAWWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Please - somebody make him stop - I'm having stomach cramps from
laughing too hard.

BBAAAAWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

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On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:19:34 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On 8 May 2007 10:45:56 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

The oil companies have a right to earn a profit. We don't have any
right to cheap oil. The frustration is in being so blatantly
manipulated, and a minor amusement is hearing the programmed
apologists offering the freshest round of big oil excuses for the
various refinery emergencies that just happen to occur during the same
strategically beneficial period each year.

OK, so let's assume this is all true and that US petro consumers are
being manipulated to death and taking it in the shorts.

Where else in the world other than Venezuela and a few other big oil
producers can you buy more cheaply? If the oil companies were having
trouble selling their product, prices would drop in a hurry. Is that
supply and demand, or is it manipulation?

I'm a firm believer in strong federal oversight over certain key
industries on which the welfare of the public depends.

~~ cough - facist - cough ~~

These would include the energy industry and the health care industry.

~~ cough - facist - cough ~~

Oversight would include making sure profits are not excessive.

~~ cough - facist - cough ~~

~~ snerk ~~

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On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:45:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Meanwhile, asking people to grow up and
take responsibility for their actions is free, and will actually
work,
starting immediately.

So you're going to tell a single mom making $8 an hour that they
need to
trade in their 1983 Electra for a $22,000 Accord? How is that
"free"?

Are you resistant to the idea of voluntary
behavioral changes?

Nothing that involves government is voluntary. Government is by
definition
coercion ("you must") or proscription ("you can't"). That you do
not
understand this most basic concept explains the inanity of most of
your
posts.


I never said anything about telling anyone to trade in their car
immediately. I'm talking about upcoming purchases. And, there is
nothing coercive about a president using his TV time to ask people to
rethink their habits.

Does this qualify?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/27/business/gas.php


It doesn't go far enough, because asking people to pick a different car
is venturing into a decision that verges on religion. I can't think of
any other product which is so tightly bound to people's egos or
crotches than automobiles. Like I said, it would take a real president
with balls to touch the subject. The message would be somewhat
insulting, but sometimes, people need a bucket of cold water dumped on
their heads.

This is from the above link. Sounds like he did ask us to cut back, not
only to buy more efficient vehicles

He added that if Americans could avoid going on "a trip that's not
essential," that would be "helpful."

He also issued a directive for all federal agencies to cut their own
energy use and to encourage employees to use public transportation.


Not far enough. Sorry. I understand I may be insulting one of your icons,
but that's just the way it goes.

He's not one of my icons. I don't agree with many of the things he has
and has not done. But you said he should say something....he already has.


In order for this to be done right, it would require a real president, as I
stated earlier. We do not have that at this moment. Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real. Someone who can function without a
script.


You are so full of crap! You and HK make a great team.

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On 8 May 2007 16:10:29 -0700, wf3h wrote:


NOYB wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

to the office she was appointed to by the president of the USA. ever
hear of THAT office?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?

and when DID you stop beating your wife? incidentally, 300,000,000
americans use energy....that dick cheney feels so deeply belongs only
to the rich.

Speaking of big numbers:

The next time you hear a politician use the word "billion" in a casual
manner, think about whether you want the "politicians" spending your tax
money.


A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency
did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its
releases.


A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our
government is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New
Orleans . It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division . . .

Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for
$250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans. Interesting number, what does it mean?

a. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man,
woman, child), you each get $516,528.

b. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets
$1,329,787.

c. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.

Washington, D.C. ... HELLO!!! . Are all your calculators broken??

This is too true to be very funny


1. Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country 20,807,645
2. Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006 $22,213,001,672.00
3. Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996

$397,450,739,563.00
4. Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools 3,958,789
5. Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996: $13, 965,063,431.00
6. Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated 332,594
7. Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001 $1,398,127,429.00
8. Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives 642,799
9. Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens 9,872,838


Figures can trick your eyes. Take particular note that items 2,3,5, and 7
reflect BILLION not millions of dollars -- and that item 3 exceeds
one-third of a TRILLION dollars.
Can you imagine how much it will cost taxpayers if we triple the number of
Illegals entering this country!!

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Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views
expressed about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning
political views were concerned about the high consumption rate of
gasoline in the USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low
price per gallon compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was
preached, encouraged and some even advocated raising the price of gas
to force further conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient
autos in order to reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now
blaming big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for
the natural increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a
real president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at some
point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and
volunteer to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time
you're ready to buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real needs.
Stop thinking that the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford Focus.
Ignore the crap you're being told in the commercials. Is the only
reason you bought an SUV that you have a family of 5 and a week's worth
of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit your needs equally well? Did you
justify the SUV by convincing yourself they were safer, or that you
wanted to be able to see over all the other trucks? Did you buy a
pickup to haul 3 sheets of plywood just once in the entire time you
owned the vehicle? Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have to go
out and buy a Prius or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your gas
usage by 30%, just by looking at the difference between an SUV and a
mini-van? (points to chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't
create laws to change your buying habits, and there's nothing I can do
about what oil companies charge for fuel. But, you are capable of
having a significant impact on how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready. If
they continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their
problem, not yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't pick a
better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg


What is an SUV? My wife drives a 1996 S-10 Blazer. It is smaller than
the Sienna van.


You know exactly what I mean. Stick with the example shown, since it is
100% valid in this context.


Nope, what is an SUV? The boogey man of the 21st century. Why is it when
an SUV type vehicle is in an accident, it is always reported the SUV
crashed. But if it is a mini car that crashed into the SUV, it will read
SUV involed in accident. The first reporting seems as if the SUV is doing
the driving, not a person.


Look at the list of vehicles I provided. It does not contain a generic SUV.
It contains a specific one which may be representative of others which get
similar mileage. Any normal person should be able to interpret that list and
say "Yeah...mine's like that one", or not.

Any normal person.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:10:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real

BBBAAAWWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Please - somebody make him stop - I'm having stomach cramps from
laughing too hard.

BBAAAAWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

Cuomo may not be your choice, but I know this: If it were up to you to
choose a president, with no input from anyone else, there is no way you
would've chosen Bush.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg

Ford F-25- 7.3 liter diesel - 17/22 mpg

Anything higher than a given number is higher than a given number. Your
example fits.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views
expressed about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning
political views were concerned about the high consumption rate of
gasoline in the USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low
price per gallon compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was
preached, encouraged and some even advocated raising the price of gas
to force further conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient
autos in order to reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now
blaming big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for
the natural increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a
real president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at
some point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and
volunteer to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time
you're ready to buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real
needs. Stop thinking that the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford
Focus. Ignore the crap you're being told in the commercials. Is the
only reason you bought an SUV that you have a family of 5 and a week's
worth of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit your needs equally well? Did
you justify the SUV by convincing yourself they were safer, or that
you wanted to be able to see over all the other trucks? Did you buy a
pickup to haul 3 sheets of plywood just once in the entire time you
owned the vehicle? Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have to go
out and buy a Prius or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your gas
usage by 30%, just by looking at the difference between an SUV and a
mini-van? (points to chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't
create laws to change your buying habits, and there's nothing I can do
about what oil companies charge for fuel. But, you are capable of
having a significant impact on how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready. If
they continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their
problem, not yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't pick
a better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg


What is an SUV? My wife drives a 1996 S-10 Blazer. It is smaller than
the Sienna van.


You know exactly what I mean. Stick with the example shown, since it is
100% valid in this context.


Nope, what is an SUV? The boogey man of the 21st century. Why is it
when an SUV type vehicle is in an accident, it is always reported the SUV
crashed. But if it is a mini car that crashed into the SUV, it will read
SUV involed in accident. The first reporting seems as if the SUV is
doing the driving, not a person.


Look at the list of vehicles I provided. It does not contain a generic
SUV. It contains a specific one which may be representative of others
which get similar mileage. Any normal person should be able to interpret
that list and say "Yeah...mine's like that one", or not.

Any normal person.


I was referring to your "SUV".

This one:
Is the only
reason you bought an SUV that you have a family of 5 and a week's worth
of groceries? Wouldn't a van fit your needs equally well? Did you
justify the SUV by convincing yourself they were safer, or that you
wanted to be able to see over all the other trucks?

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 01:49:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:10:27 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Someone like Mario Cuomo
would be an example of someone real

BBBAAAWWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Please - somebody make him stop - I'm having stomach cramps from
laughing too hard.

BBAAAAWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

Cuomo may not be your choice, but I know this: If it were up to you to
choose a president, with no input from anyone else, there is no way you
would've chosen Bush.

Oh - you "know" that?

Tell me - know do you "know" that?

Please - enlighten me.

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 01:49:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg

Ford F-25- 7.3 liter diesel - 17/22 mpg

Anything higher than a given number is higher than a given number. Your
example fits.

Wha?