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On May 8, 4:03 pm, "RCE" wrote:

At some price people will take drastic action and
demand will fall quickly. The oil companies and others involved still have
to sell product to sustain growth while covering costs.
Prices will drop.

Eisboch


YEAH. like "Do NOT buy gas on Mat 15th!"

that'll teach 'em!

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YEAH. like "Do NOT buy gas on Mat 15th!"

Er...May 15th"

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"Tim" wrote in message
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On May 8, 4:03 pm, "RCE" wrote:

At some price people will take drastic action and
demand will fall quickly. The oil companies and others involved still
have
to sell product to sustain growth while covering costs.
Prices will drop.

Eisboch


YEAH. like "Do NOT buy gas on May 15th!"

that'll teach 'em!


So you got that email also......he-he-he. When will those idiots learn that
their plan just will not work?

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NOYB wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

what i love about this is, when ira magaziner and hilary clintion
tried to get us universal health care

To which office was Hillary elected to in 1992?

to the office she was appointed to by the president of the USA. ever
hear of THAT office?

Then what right did she have to make policy that would have destroyed the
healthcare system for 260,000,000 Americans with insurance so that
40,000,000 uninsured could get access?

and when DID you stop beating your wife? incidentally, 300,000,000
americans use energy....that dick cheney feels so deeply belongs only
to the rich.

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On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg

Ford F-25- 7.3 liter diesel - 17/22 mpg

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Do you know what cracks me up about some of the various views expressed
about fuel prices?

It wasn't too many years ago that those with more left leaning
political views were concerned about the high consumption rate of
gasoline in the USA, it's continued supply and it's artificially low
price per gallon compared to the rest of the world. Conservation was
preached, encouraged and some even advocated raising the price of gas
to force further conservation and the use of smaller, fuel efficient
autos in order to reduce demand.


Fast forward to today and it seems that the same people are now blaming
big business greed and politicians lining their pockets for the natural
increase in prices.

Can't win.

Eisboch


The problem with preaching conservation is that the suggested methods
usually involve long term solutions. I wonder what would happen if a
real president with some balls said the following during one of his TV
appearances:

"I can fund research until the cows come home, but we might never find
solutions which make every type of vehicle more efficient. And, at some
point, you have to stop looking for others to find solutions, and
volunteer to do the one thing that's inarguably effective. Next time
you're ready to buy a car, be honest, and buy based on your real needs.
Stop thinking that the only alternative to an SUV is a Ford Focus.
Ignore the crap you're being told in the commercials. Is the only reason
you bought an SUV that you have a family of 5 and a week's worth of
groceries? Wouldn't a van fit your needs equally well? Did you justify
the SUV by convincing yourself they were safer, or that you wanted to be
able to see over all the other trucks? Did you buy a pickup to haul 3
sheets of plywood just once in the entire time you owned the vehicle?
Those aren't reasons. I'm not saying you have to go out and buy a Prius
or a Mini-Cooper. But, how about reducing your gas usage by 30%, just by
looking at the difference between an SUV and a mini-van? (points to
chart with 5 car models shown below) We can't create laws to change your
buying habits, and there's nothing I can do about what oil companies
charge for fuel. But, you are capable of having a significant impact on
how much oil this country uses.

If you're not buying a car this year, write to your favorite car
manufacturer and tell them what you want to buy when you're ready. If
they continue to pile up SUVs at their dealerships, that's their
problem, not yours.

During WWII, our grandparents planted victory gardens. You can't pick a
better car, in order to help this country? Grow up already."


Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg


What is an SUV? My wife drives a 1996 S-10 Blazer. It is smaller than
the Sienna van.


You know exactly what I mean. Stick with the example shown, since it is
100% valid in this context.


Nope, what is an SUV? The boogey man of the 21st century. Why is it when
an SUV type vehicle is in an accident, it is always reported the SUV
crashed. But if it is a mini car that crashed into the SUV, it will read
SUV involed in accident. The first reporting seems as if the SUV is doing
the driving, not a person.

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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message nk.net,
Calif Bill sprach forth the following:


The rules of a capitalistic market do not apply when the raw materials
are controlled by an oligopoly.

The US produces 1/3 of its own oil consumption, and imports the rest from
many countries.

There is no opportunity for new
players to enter the field and supply superior or cheaper refined
products.

Not so long as there are 41 insane Senators there isn't. Sad.

Even *if* there were a new and independent refinery built,
the operators would need to rely on their competitors for raw
materials....not a good business model in any industry.

Not all oil companies are drillers and transporters and refiners.

There is a shortage of refined product because world demand has
increased to the point where there is no longer any surplus supply.

Due primarily to the aforementioned insane Senators.

If that attitude disrupts economies or creates hardships for
people who have previously relied on a predictable supply of a product
at a predictable price that's too fricking bad. The oil companies are
in business to make a profit......period.

And the oil campanies are the only businesses in the entire world that er
"in business to make a profit". Oh, wait. No they're not. So your point
is worthless.

Few people are going to buy any
recreational vessel or vehicle that needs to consume enormous
quantities of petroleum products to operate, and who can blame them?
Tough as it is when the costs are $4-5 at the fuel dock, imagine what
would happen if fuel goes to $6-7, or $7-8?

All the more reason to open ANWR.

I think I can see where we're going on a few fronts over the next few
to several years, and I wish the picture were slightly prettier from
here.

All the more reason to open ANWR.

We're entering an era of fewer options for all but the folks in
the very highest income brackets, as well as when a flock of
consequences begin coming home to roost.

All the more reason to open ANWR.


Most of the retooling of refineries is a government requirement. Going
from Winter to Summer Blend. When California had real shortages a
couple of years ago, we could not get fuel from Arizona, that had a
surplus, because it did not meet the Calif. State blend requirements.

All the more reason to storm the statehouse. And then open ANWR :-).


And the refineries were required to add MTBE. The stuff ate up seals
at an extreme rate. One of the reasons there were more refinery fires.

Your tax dollars at ****up. Anyone notice a theme here?

If you are going to comment on a post, at least attribute it to the proper
poster.

Most of the retooling of refineries is a government requirement. Going
from Winter to Summer Blend. When California had real shortages a
couple of years ago, we could not get fuel from Arizona, that had a
surplus, because it did not meet the Calif. State blend requirements.
And the refineries were required to add MTBE. The stuff ate up seals
at an extreme rate. One of the reasons there were more refinery fires.


This is my contribution.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg

Ford F-25- 7.3 liter diesel - 17/22 mpg


The little Ford Ranger trucklet I just got with a 4.0L V6 gets just about
the same miles per gallon on gas as the 11,500 lb. GVW F-350 Powerstroke
Diesel Crew Cab 4x4 behemoth that it replaced did on diesel.

Eisboch
It's not easy being green.

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On 8 May 2007 10:45:56 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

The oil companies have a right to earn a profit. We don't have any
right to cheap oil. The frustration is in being so blatantly
manipulated, and a minor amusement is hearing the programmed
apologists offering the freshest round of big oil excuses for the
various refinery emergencies that just happen to occur during the same
strategically beneficial period each year.

OK, so let's assume this is all true and that US petro consumers are
being manipulated to death and taking it in the shorts.

Where else in the world other than Venezuela and a few other big oil
producers can you buy more cheaply? If the oil companies were having
trouble selling their product, prices would drop in a hurry. Is that
supply and demand, or is it manipulation?

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On Tue, 8 May 2007 19:52:08 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 08 May 2007 17:27:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Toyota Sequoia SUV: 15/18 mpg
Toyota Sienna van: 19/26 mpg
Chrysler Town & Country van: 19/26 mpg
Ford Crown Victoria: 17/26 mpg
Buick Lucerne: 17/28 mpg

Ford F-25- 7.3 liter diesel - 17/22 mpg

The little Ford Ranger trucklet I just got with a 4.0L V6 gets just about
the same miles per gallon on gas as the 11,500 lb. GVW F-350 Powerstroke
Diesel Crew Cab 4x4 behemoth that it replaced did on diesel.

Amazing ain't it? big honking diesels getting better gas milage that
a baby truck?

It's not easy being green.

Espiecally if you are in Congress.

They just passed an "adjustment" to the rules govening travel. Now if
you are a "friend", you can supply air travel to your friendly
congressman or senator.

Cool huh?