Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?


Last year I started to spend more time at anchor, and less time pulling
water toys. I plan on enjoying nature and chatting with other boaters
in a peaceful cove.

I'm not one to live on the water, but last couple years we went out
quite a bit. at least 15 times the first year. Last year we boated
about as much even with 3.00 + fuel prices. I'll probably boat as much
this year.

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8. Haven't really tried it out yet, but
it's day is coming.

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On 1 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, Tim wrote:

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8

Wouldn't that be down in boat size? :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, Tim wrote:

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8

Wouldn't that be down in boat size? :)

At 118 ft, you really do need to downsize.

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wrote in message
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Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie cruises
we normally took, including our Canada trip. We would also limit our trips
to the islands. Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he is
boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many times
last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in tight
places.. As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September the keys
are his whenever he wants them this summer. ;-)

(BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
and has promised me to obey that rule)

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wrote in message
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Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?


What is diesel fuel going for now at the docks. The bill to fill the 500+
gallon tank(s) on Eisboch's Navigator must be a killer.

Richard........what is your average fuel burn/hour?

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?


What is diesel fuel going for now at the docks. The bill to fill the
500+ gallon tank(s) on Eisboch's Navigator must be a killer.

Richard........what is your average fuel burn/hour?


25 gallons per hour (total, both engines) at 19 kt. cruise.
But the fuel in my tanks only cost about 2 bucks/gallon, if that. g

Eisboch

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 16:38:56 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, Tim wrote:

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8

Wouldn't that be down in boat size? :)

At 118 ft, you really do need to downsize.

With a four cylinder three liter engine, it must have taken forever to
get anywhere.

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"RCE" wrote in message
...



But the fuel in my tanks only cost about 2 bucks/gallon, if that. g

Eisboch



Figured I'd let you ponder that for a bit, then explain.

I haven't done any long distance "cruising" for a couple of years now and
the little fuel I've used hasn't amounted to much, so the full tanks are
stilled filled with diesel fuel that was purchased quite a while ago. I
almost took it south to Florida again, but circumstances prevented the trip.

I've been ocean boating now for about 12 years and have had a variety of
boats of all sizes. But now, our lives have taken a bit of a course change.

New interests, new hobbies, family issues have diminished my desire to be on
the boat as much. I still enjoy the atmosphere and get occasional itches to
take a long voyage, but overall I think our serious boating days are coming
to an end. I've got the Navigator up for sale .... if it sells ... fine ...
if it doesn't this year, fine again. I may get the itch again. As you
know, we also have the Grand Banks 36 that is pretty as a picture now with
all the work that has been done on it, but again, other activities will
probably limit the amount of time we spend on it. We may end up putting it
on the market as well.

This is the story of my life anyway. I tackle new things with gusto, but
often get tired or bored with them after a while only to move on to a new
challenge. Flying is an example as is music. Boating, as an interest, has
lasted longer than most and I am not 100% sure I am done with it yet. We'll
see.

Eisboch

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, Tim wrote:

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8

Wouldn't that be down in boat size? :)

picky, picky, picky.

Actually it's an 18 ft. boat with a hundred foot trailer ?;*)

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 1 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, Tim wrote:

Actually, I've gone up in boat and engine size., from a 118 ft 3.0 4
cyl, to a 23' cuddie 350 V8

Wouldn't that be down in boat size? :)

At 118 ft, you really do need to downsize.


LOL!

If I could afford a 118 ft. boat, I could afford the fuel, and wonder
what to do with my life.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

At 118 ft, you really do need to downsize.

With a four cylinder three liter engine, it must have taken forever to
get anywhere.

Tom, that's the trolling motor.......

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RCE wrote:

This is the story of my life anyway. I tackle new things with gusto, but
often get tired or bored with them after a while only to move on to a new
challenge. Flying is an example as is music. Boating, as an interest, has
lasted longer than most and I am not 100% sure I am done with it yet. We'll
see.

Eisboch

You left out the cars.....

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On Tue, 1 May 2007 17:54:44 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

This is the story of my life anyway. I tackle new things with gusto, but
often get tired or bored with them after a while only to move on to a new
challenge. Flying is an example as is music. Boating, as an interest, has
lasted longer than most and I am not 100% sure I am done with it yet. We'll
see.

That's true for all of us I think. I have a ton of hobbies that go in
and out of my forebrain all the time.

Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.

Things come a go - I haven't been in my wood shop down in the garage
in a couple of years - everything is still covered from when I did my
last project two Christmas's ago. I haven't restored a tractor in
ages and it's been a while since I took the 'Vette out for a ride.

I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)

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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message
...



But the fuel in my tanks only cost about 2 bucks/gallon, if that. g

Eisboch



Figured I'd let you ponder that for a bit, then explain.

I haven't done any long distance "cruising" for a couple of years now and
the little fuel I've used hasn't amounted to much, so the full tanks are
stilled filled with diesel fuel that was purchased quite a while ago. I
almost took it south to Florida again, but circumstances prevented the
trip.

I've been ocean boating now for about 12 years and have had a variety of
boats of all sizes. But now, our lives have taken a bit of a course
change.

New interests, new hobbies, family issues have diminished my desire to be
on the boat as much. I still enjoy the atmosphere and get occasional
itches to take a long voyage, but overall I think our serious boating days
are coming to an end. I've got the Navigator up for sale .... if it sells
... fine ... if it doesn't this year, fine again. I may get the itch
again. As you know, we also have the Grand Banks 36 that is pretty as a
picture now with all the work that has been done on it, but again, other
activities will probably limit the amount of time we spend on it. We may
end up putting it on the market as well.

This is the story of my life anyway. I tackle new things with gusto, but
often get tired or bored with them after a while only to move on to a new
challenge. Flying is an example as is music. Boating, as an interest,
has lasted longer than most and I am not 100% sure I am done with it yet.
We'll see.

Eisboch


As you know priorities and interests change over the years. Don't give up
on the boating though, even if you cannot devote the amount of your time as
it did in the past. Take a look at the video Chuck posted yesterday,
understanding you are not as old as the old geezer in the
video............SWS would better relate to that old timer. ;-)

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On Tue, 1 May 2007 18:34:13 -0400, "JimH"
wrote:

SWS would better relate to that old timer. ;-)

I wouldn't be caught dead in a hat like that. :)

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On May 1, 6:34 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.
I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)


I find you can mix music with boating. Picked up one of these last
year, it lives with me now.

https://www.martinguitar.com/guitars...ker%20Gu itar

Light, breathable finish so it can take moisture change, 2 1/2 pounds,
can't tell you how many times during a normal day you can just play
it. Even got a detachable Dean Markley acoustic pickup and a little
tiny Marshall amp that hooks to your belt! My kids say I scare the
fish, what fish wouldn't like Dylan or Creedence? Geeze.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On 1 May 2007 16:06:05 -0700, wrote:

On May 1, 6:34 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.
I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)


I find you can mix music with boating. Picked up one of these last
year, it lives with me now.

https://www.martinguitar.com/guitars...ker%20Gu itar

Light, breathable finish so it can take moisture change, 2 1/2 pounds,
can't tell you how many times during a normal day you can just play
it. Even got a detachable Dean Markley acoustic pickup and a little
tiny Marshall amp that hooks to your belt! My kids say I scare the
fish, what fish wouldn't like Dylan or Creedence? Geeze.


Cool...

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.


I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)

Join the club. Nothing wrong with it.

Eisboch

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On Tue, 1 May 2007 17:03:26 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie cruises
we normally took, including our Canada trip. We would also limit our trips
to the islands. Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he is
boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many times
last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in tight
places.. As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September the keys
are his whenever he wants them this summer. ;-)

(BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
and has promised me to obey that rule)


And he's for sure at least as honest as his dad, right?

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On May 1, 12:24?pm, wrote:
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

I don't really consider my boat a "large" boat, but at 36-feet it's
legitimately middle-sized. No, we won't be cutting back on our use due
to higher fuel costs.
We realize about 4 nmpg, and it would be unusual to burn more than 20
gallons in a long day of boating. ('course the critics would note it
takes all day to get out of sight at 8-9 knots) :-)

So when diesel was $2 a gallon we'd spend $40 or less a day. At $3
we'd spend $60. If it gets to $5, we'll spend $100 for a very long day
of operation.
Heck, it would cost more than that to *not* boat and drive around in a
car for the weekend.

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past. They
will likely spend just as many days on the boat during the summer- but
will hang out longer in places they find enjoyable and feel less
compelled to move on to a new anchorage or marina each day.

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On 1 May 2007 19:00:37 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past.

I think that's the wrong philosophy.

My view is that we may very well be in the last decade of truly
affordable fuel.

Let the good times roll...

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On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:mrff335m1jrs7a95jqmmjoev7bgfdc71v8@4ax .com...

Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.

I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)

Join the club. Nothing wrong with it.

Eisboch

Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck;)

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On May 1, 8:06�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 1 May 2007 19:00:37 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past.

I think that's the wrong philosophy. *

My view is that we may very well be in the last decade of truly
affordable fuel.


Could be, and easily.

We can't imagine a life that doesn't revolve around internal
combustion engines, but at the same time our great or great-great
grandfathers would have scoffed if anybody had suggested that the era
of the horse was drawing to a close. Difference is, when the
automobile caught on it could do what the horse and buggy had done
only better, faster, and more conveniently. Maybe I lack sufficient
perception or imagination, but I can't see a better alternative than
ICE's being available and practical in time.

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On 1 May 2007 22:00:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Maybe I lack sufficient
perception or imagination, but I can't see a better alternative than
ICE's being available and practical in time.

For cars, I think electric will eventually become a reality as battery
technology improves, perhaps within 10 years or even sooner. Nuclear
can and will replace fossil fuel generating plants but it takes 10
years to build a new nuclear plant start to finish. Coal will fill
the gap for awhile. Small boats and planes are a lot more difficult,
and planes will certainly win out over pleasure craft at crunch time
for the last gallons.

I had the pleasure of recently meeting the fellow who manages nuclear
power for the US Navy (he's also a well known sailor). The navy has
done a lot of research into small reactors of course. When I asked
him what they could do for a GB49 he just laughed. If you turn the
clock back to 1900 or so, it's not unthinkable that we or our children
may be boating with coal fired steam engines again. Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

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On May 1, 11:14?pm, Wayne.B wrote:
?Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Vegetable oil.

Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil, with
peanut oil and cottonseed oil considered prime candidates. At the
very, very, beginning it was all about bio-diesel.

Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

Sadly, I suspect that pleasure boating will involve more sailing in
future generations. Not that sailing isn't a fine activity- it's only
sad from the standpoint that a choice will be restricted or
eliminated.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On May 1, 11:14?pm, Wayne.B wrote:

?Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Vegetable oil.

Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil, with
peanut oil and cottonseed oil considered prime candidates. At the
very, very, beginning it was all about bio-diesel.

Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.



I think Wayne is correct, although the coal dust approach didn't work out.

http://www.dieselpage.com/tipshis.htm

Eisboch

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wrote in message
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On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last
week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.



Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck;)


Mrs. E., some of her friends and other female family members occasionally do
their "girls night out" get togethers at our house and they like to fool
around doing the Karaoke thing. I included that capability in the room
design so they can use it for that. I fool around, mostly by myself on the
keyboards or guitars. Sometimes I'll program a set of midi file songs in
the computer, have the computer automatically load them to the keyboards and
I'll attempt to play along on one of the guitars. Right now I am trying to
learn the bass.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute. Mrs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. It took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a tenor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

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On Wed, 02 May 2007 02:14:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Yes indeedy do.

I am firmly in the diesel/electric camp. I've already stated why.

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On May 2, 6:10�am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute. *Mrs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. *It took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a *tenor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

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On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)

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On May 2, 7:31�am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:





On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. * t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" *a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here, Tom.

Just for you...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHMWsdnGk6Y

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On 2 May 2007 05:50:07 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 7:31?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:





On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" ! REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)- Hide quoted text -

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Here, Tom.

Just for you...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHMWsdnGk6Y

Love it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcR5_7nz3...elated&search=

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Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

In the mid 80s, power companies were toying with the idea of power
stations fueled by a coat-oil slurry. Somewhere around here I have a
short paper on the engineering of it. There was also a brief interest
in reviving oil-fired steam locomotives to replace diesels, and the
fuel being discussed was a coal-oil slurry. I think it was BMW during
WW2 which actually built and flew some coal-slurry engines (for the
Me264, if memory serves).

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...

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On 2 May 2007 08:21:51 -0700, "
wrote:

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...

The world would be a much differernt place.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. :)

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On May 2, 6:10 am, "RCE" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last
week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.

Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck;)

Mrs. E., some of her friends and other female family members occasionally do
their "girls night out" get togethers at our house and they like to fool
around doing the Karaoke thing. I included that capability in the room
design so they can use it for that. I fool around, mostly by myself on the
keyboards or guitars. Sometimes I'll program a set of midi file songs in
the computer, have the computer automatically load them to the keyboards and
I'll attempt to play along on one of the guitars. Right now I am trying to
learn the bass.

Eisboch

You should check out the Hal Leonard play along series, got mine at
Guitar Center. They have books that represent almost all types of
music, from 60's, 70's, blues, metal, country, even a series on "hair
rock" like poison and cinderella. They come with very complete sheet
music and a cd containing two versions of each song in the book. One
version has all the music including the leads so you can folow the
music, the other has the guitar section cut out so you can play along
yourself, neither have vocals. Very well done of course, music sounds
very close to origional so it's like a karoke setup for guitar. A few
years back I decided to start playing and decided I would also learn
to read music so I have Alfreds basic guitar method. The wife play
some too, but even better she bought a sweet ovation celeb, black of
course. My fav is my latest, a Takamine 12 string. I guess the best
thing that happened lately is my middle child marrying a professional
guitar teacher, needless to say, we invite them for dinner a lot;)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)

Years ago while stationed at Camp Pendleton a group of us ventured down to
Tijuana for an evening. We were in one of the beer joints when a mariachi
group stopped at the table soliciting money for their music. We didn't
speak Spanish and they didn't understand English.

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

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On May 2, 2:47?am, "RCE" wrote:


I think Wayne is correct, although the coal dust approach didn't work out.

http://www.dieselpage.com/tipshis.htm

Eisboch


We can agree that "exploding" is a decent indicator that something
didn't work out. :-)

When Diesel introduced his functioning engine at the Paris Exposition
in 1900, it was fueled by peanut oil. Good image of that original
engine at this site, by the way;

http://www.dieselveg.com/rudolf_diesel.htm


By 1900, Diesel felt that the primary market for his engine was
probably going to be agriculture. One of the benefits of the vegetable
oil engine was that many farmers would be able to "grow their own
fuel". There was an abundance of crude oil available back then and no
clear idea of exactly what could or should be done to use it
profitably. Particularly after Diesel's mysterious death, the emphasis
switched from using vegetable products to using crude oil when firing
diesel engines

Fast forward 107 years. Using a renewable resource, like vegetable
oil, now begins to make more sense than buying scarce crude oil from
sources increasingly controlled by governments that are somehwat
unstable or hostile toward the US.