Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

"JimH" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie
cruises we normally took, including our Canada trip. We would also limit
our trips to the islands. Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he
is boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many
times last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in
tight places.. As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September
the keys are his whenever he wants them this summer. ;-)

(BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the
boat and has promised me to obey that rule)


"BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
and has promised me to obey that rule"


Well that's no fun !!!

j/k :)

Duke

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

wrote:
Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

In the mid 80s, power companies were toying with the idea of power
stations fueled by a coat-oil slurry. Somewhere around here I have a
short paper on the engineering of it. There was also a brief interest
in reviving oil-fired steam locomotives to replace diesels, and the
fuel being discussed was a coal-oil slurry. I think it was BMW during
WW2 which actually built and flew some coal-slurry engines (for the
Me264, if memory serves).

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...


What was that tar type stuff that the old battleships and destroyers
ran on. they had to heat it to pump it into the engines.

Like a super- concentrated diesel, in a tar form?

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On May 2, 9:10�am, "Duke" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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wrote in message
oups.com...
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie
cruises we normally took, including our Canada trip. *We would also limit
our trips to the islands. *Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he
is boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many
times last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in
tight places.. *As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September
the keys are his whenever he wants them this summer. *;-)

(BTW: *He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the
boat and has promised me to obey that rule)

"BTW: *He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
*and has promised me to obey that rule"

Well that's no fun !!!

j/k * :)

Duke- Hide quoted text -

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It may be no fun, but who ever heard of any kid promising to behave in
a certain way and then doing whatever the heck they felt like once out
of sight?
Personally, I couldn't begin to imagine it.

Jim's right to educate his kids that drinking at the helm is a no-no.
But especially as they get older you can only do what you can do, and
then you have to accept that they are going to screw up, make
mistakes, or even be downright defiant. Probably been that way in
every generation past and will likely be the same for every generation
in the future.

Jim most likely does not have this problem, but the parents with
almost no hope of teaching their kids not to drink and drive or drink
and boat are those who haven't set the example. I was asked to be a
judge in a family boating photo contest at a recent boat show, and
there were a couple of entries showing a family underway on a boat and
an open beer bottle in the cup holder next to the skipper. The parents
in those families could preach against drinking at the helm until they
run out of breath, but the kids are going to do what they have seen
the parents do much more readily than they are going to follow rules
that the parents routinely ignore.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On May 2, 2:47?am, "RCE" wrote:


I think Wayne is correct, although the coal dust approach didn't work
out.

http://www.dieselpage.com/tipshis.htm

Eisboch


We can agree that "exploding" is a decent indicator that something
didn't work out. :-)

When Diesel introduced his functioning engine at the Paris Exposition
in 1900, it was fueled by peanut oil. Good image of that original
engine at this site, by the way;

http://www.dieselveg.com/rudolf_diesel.htm


By 1900, Diesel felt that the primary market for his engine was
probably going to be agriculture. One of the benefits of the vegetable
oil engine was that many farmers would be able to "grow their own
fuel". There was an abundance of crude oil available back then and no
clear idea of exactly what could or should be done to use it
profitably. Particularly after Diesel's mysterious death, the emphasis
switched from using vegetable products to using crude oil when firing
diesel engines

Fast forward 107 years. Using a renewable resource, like vegetable
oil, now begins to make more sense than buying scarce crude oil from
sources increasingly controlled by governments that are somehwat
unstable or hostile toward the US.







And I saw on last nights news a report on milk going up 30 cents a gallon
this year, because of the cost of corn going up for ethanol production.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

Definitely better that our Tijuana experience.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007 14:11:00 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

Definitely better that our Tijuana experience.

Pah - over rated.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On 2 May 2007 09:26:29 -0700, Tim wrote:


wrote:
Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

In the mid 80s, power companies were toying with the idea of power
stations fueled by a coat-oil slurry. Somewhere around here I have a
short paper on the engineering of it. There was also a brief interest
in reviving oil-fired steam locomotives to replace diesels, and the
fuel being discussed was a coal-oil slurry. I think it was BMW during
WW2 which actually built and flew some coal-slurry engines (for the
Me264, if memory serves).

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...

What was that tar type stuff that the old battleships and destroyers
ran on. they had to heat it to pump it into the engines.

Like a super- concentrated diesel, in a tar form?

bunker?

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 14:11:00 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

Definitely better that our Tijuana experience.

Pah - over rated.

You didn't hear the group in TJ....or maybe you did.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007 15:54:22 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 2 May 2007 14:11:00 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

Definitely better that our Tijuana experience.

Pah - over rated.

You didn't hear the group in TJ....or maybe you did.

Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.

Fortunately, it was short and quick - Squid problem solved, but
discretion was definetly the better part of valor as the SP was on the
way. :)

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.


Bunch of Squids kicked your asses, huh?

Eisboch

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007 16:18:19 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.

Bunch of Squids kicked your asses, huh?

You left off this part.

Fortunately, it was short and quick - Squid problem solved

Heh, heh, heh...

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 16:18:19 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.

Bunch of Squids kicked your asses, huh?

You left off this part.

Fortunately, it was short and quick - Squid problem solved

Heh, heh, heh...

Actually, I read it as, " the Squid's problem was solved".

Eisboch

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

On Wed, 2 May 2007 16:29:14 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 2 May 2007 16:18:19 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.

Bunch of Squids kicked your asses, huh?

You left off this part.

Fortunately, it was short and quick - Squid problem solved

Heh, heh, heh...

Actually, I read it as, " the Squid's problem was solved".

That too. :)

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 15:54:22 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 14:11:00 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 2 May 2007 12:04:36 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

Stirring rendition coming right up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z619poRNQto

Definitely better that our Tijuana experience.

Pah - over rated.

You didn't hear the group in TJ....or maybe you did.

Never made it there. A bunch of us were going to go, but we got into
a fight just this side of the border with a bunch of Squids and never
made it.

Fortunately, it was short and quick - Squid problem solved, but
discretion was definetly the better part of valor as the SP was on the
way. :)

Better to get in trouble on *this* side of the border than the other.

Downgrading boat, or boating hours?
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 2, 9:10?am, "Duke" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







wrote in message
oups.com...
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie
cruises we normally took, including our Canada trip. We would also limit
our trips to the islands. Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a
blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he
is boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many
times last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in
tight places.. As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September
the keys are his whenever he wants them this summer. ;-)

(BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the
boat and has promised me to obey that rule)

"BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
and has promised me to obey that rule"

Well that's no fun !!!

j/k :)

Duke- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It may be no fun, but who ever heard of any kid promising to behave in
a certain way and then doing whatever the heck they felt like once out
of sight?
Personally, I couldn't begin to imagine it.

Jim's right to educate his kids that drinking at the helm is a no-no.
But especially as they get older you can only do what you can do, and
then you have to accept that they are going to screw up, make
mistakes, or even be downright defiant. Probably been that way in
every generation past and will likely be the same for every generation
in the future.

Jim most likely does not have this problem, but the parents with
almost no hope of teaching their kids not to drink and drive or drink
and boat are those who haven't set the example. I was asked to be a
judge in a family boating photo contest at a recent boat show, and
there were a couple of entries showing a family underway on a boat and
an open beer bottle in the cup holder next to the skipper. The parents
in those families could preach against drinking at the helm until they
run out of breath, but the kids are going to do what they have seen
the parents do much more readily than they are going to follow rules
that the parents routinely ignore.



You speak the truth !

Duke