On Wed, 02 May 2007 02:14:40 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Yes indeedy do.

I am firmly in the diesel/electric camp. I've already stated why.

On May 2, 6:10�am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute. *Mrs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. *It took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a *tenor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)

On May 2, 7:31�am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:





On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. * t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" *a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)- Hide quoted text -

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Here, Tom.

Just for you...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHMWsdnGk6Y

On 2 May 2007 05:50:07 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 7:31?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:





On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" ! REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here, Tom.

Just for you...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHMWsdnGk6Y

Love it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcR5_7nz3...elated&search=

Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

In the mid 80s, power companies were toying with the idea of power
stations fueled by a coat-oil slurry. Somewhere around here I have a
short paper on the engineering of it. There was also a brief interest
in reviving oil-fired steam locomotives to replace diesels, and the
fuel being discussed was a coal-oil slurry. I think it was BMW during
WW2 which actually built and flew some coal-slurry engines (for the
Me264, if memory serves).

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...

On 2 May 2007 08:21:51 -0700, "
wrote:

If Rudolf Diesel had mixed coal dust with vegetable oil ...

The world would be a much differernt place.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. :)

On May 2, 6:10 am, "RCE" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last
week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.

Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck

Mrs. E., some of her friends and other female family members occasionally do
their "girls night out" get togethers at our house and they like to fool
around doing the Karaoke thing. I included that capability in the room
design so they can use it for that. I fool around, mostly by myself on the
keyboards or guitars. Sometimes I'll program a set of midi file songs in
the computer, have the computer automatically load them to the keyboards and
I'll attempt to play along on one of the guitars. Right now I am trying to
learn the bass.

Eisboch

You should check out the Hal Leonard play along series, got mine at
Guitar Center. They have books that represent almost all types of
music, from 60's, 70's, blues, metal, country, even a series on "hair
rock" like poison and cinderella. They come with very complete sheet
music and a cd containing two versions of each song in the book. One
version has all the music including the leads so you can folow the
music, the other has the guitar section cut out so you can play along
yourself, neither have vocals. Very well done of course, music sounds
very close to origional so it's like a karoke setup for guitar. A few
years back I decided to start playing and decided I would also learn
to read music so I have Alfreds basic guitar method. The wife play
some too, but even better she bought a sweet ovation celeb, black of
course. My fav is my latest, a Takamine 12 string. I guess the best
thing that happened lately is my middle child marrying a professional
guitar teacher, needless to say, we invite them for dinner a lot

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 2 May 2007 05:12:50 -0700, Tim wrote:

On May 2, 6:10?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute.
rs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. t took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a 4enor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.

I've always been fascinated by the lute. I dont' know a thing about
one, but I have a guitarone, whish is similare in shape only.

Yeah, its a "bass guitar" a REAL "bass guitar"

http://www.fretstore.com/images/GuitarronSample.jpg

I love mariachi music!!!

Years ago, I used to sit in once in a while with a local group of
Spanish musicians - great stuff.

That's cool beans.

Even for a bass player. :)

Years ago while stationed at Camp Pendleton a group of us ventured down to
Tijuana for an evening. We were in one of the beer joints when a mariachi
group stopped at the table soliciting money for their music. We didn't
speak Spanish and they didn't understand English.

We asked them to play the *best* song they knew. You guessed it, they
played Besame Mucho.

On May 2, 2:47?am, "RCE" wrote:


I think Wayne is correct, although the coal dust approach didn't work out.

http://www.dieselpage.com/tipshis.htm

Eisboch


We can agree that "exploding" is a decent indicator that something
didn't work out. :-)

When Diesel introduced his functioning engine at the Paris Exposition
in 1900, it was fueled by peanut oil. Good image of that original
engine at this site, by the way;

http://www.dieselveg.com/rudolf_diesel.htm


By 1900, Diesel felt that the primary market for his engine was
probably going to be agriculture. One of the benefits of the vegetable
oil engine was that many farmers would be able to "grow their own
fuel". There was an abundance of crude oil available back then and no
clear idea of exactly what could or should be done to use it
profitably. Particularly after Diesel's mysterious death, the emphasis
switched from using vegetable products to using crude oil when firing
diesel engines

Fast forward 107 years. Using a renewable resource, like vegetable
oil, now begins to make more sense than buying scarce crude oil from
sources increasingly controlled by governments that are somehwat
unstable or hostile toward the US.