On Tue, 1 May 2007 17:03:26 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


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Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

If we still had our 32 footer we would not be planning the Lake Erie cruises
we normally took, including our Canada trip. We would also limit our trips
to the islands. Filling a 186 tank @ $4~$5 gallon is a killer.

I said it before and I will say it again.........we sold that boat and
replaced it with a 20 footer at the right time...and we are having a blast
with it.

My son will be taking the boat out this year with his friends.........he is
boating safety (in class) certified and was out with me (1 on 1) many times
last year learning the boat and how to maneuver it, especially in tight
places.. As he is leaving for the US Marine boot camp in September the keys
are his whenever he wants them this summer. ;-)

(BTW: He knows that no alcohol is permitted on board when he uses the boat
and has promised me to obey that rule)


And he's for sure at least as honest as his dad, right?

On May 1, 12:24?pm, wrote:
Just wondering if any of you larger boat guys are contemplating
downgrading your boat, or giving up time on the water this year due to
the high costs? I would think it would pretty much suck to have to
give up amenetities you have been accustomed to for so long. If so,
what do you have, what will you consider as an alternative?

I don't really consider my boat a "large" boat, but at 36-feet it's
legitimately middle-sized. No, we won't be cutting back on our use due
to higher fuel costs.
We realize about 4 nmpg, and it would be unusual to burn more than 20
gallons in a long day of boating. ('course the critics would note it
takes all day to get out of sight at 8-9 knots) :-)

So when diesel was $2 a gallon we'd spend $40 or less a day. At $3
we'd spend $60. If it gets to $5, we'll spend $100 for a very long day
of operation.
Heck, it would cost more than that to *not* boat and drive around in a
car for the weekend.

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past. They
will likely spend just as many days on the boat during the summer- but
will hang out longer in places they find enjoyable and feel less
compelled to move on to a new anchorage or marina each day.

On 1 May 2007 19:00:37 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past.

I think that's the wrong philosophy.

My view is that we may very well be in the last decade of truly
affordable fuel.

Let the good times roll...

On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:mrff335m1jrs7a95jqmmjoev7bgfdc71v8@4ax .com...

Heck, just the other night, I picked up the Strat, tuned it up and
started playing a little again. Now I'm thinking about getting a
synthesizer and mess around with music again just for my own
amusement.

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.

I think the older I get, the more like a ADD toddler I act. :)

Join the club. Nothing wrong with it.

Eisboch

Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck

On May 1, 8:06�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 1 May 2007 19:00:37 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

There's a lot of talk at the club and elsewhere, however, among people
who will be sticking closer to home this year than in the past.

I think that's the wrong philosophy. *

My view is that we may very well be in the last decade of truly
affordable fuel.


Could be, and easily.

We can't imagine a life that doesn't revolve around internal
combustion engines, but at the same time our great or great-great
grandfathers would have scoffed if anybody had suggested that the era
of the horse was drawing to a close. Difference is, when the
automobile caught on it could do what the horse and buggy had done
only better, faster, and more conveniently. Maybe I lack sufficient
perception or imagination, but I can't see a better alternative than
ICE's being available and practical in time.

On 1 May 2007 22:00:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Maybe I lack sufficient
perception or imagination, but I can't see a better alternative than
ICE's being available and practical in time.

For cars, I think electric will eventually become a reality as battery
technology improves, perhaps within 10 years or even sooner. Nuclear
can and will replace fossil fuel generating plants but it takes 10
years to build a new nuclear plant start to finish. Coal will fill
the gap for awhile. Small boats and planes are a lot more difficult,
and planes will certainly win out over pleasure craft at crunch time
for the last gallons.

I had the pleasure of recently meeting the fellow who manages nuclear
power for the US Navy (he's also a well known sailor). The navy has
done a lot of research into small reactors of course. When I asked
him what they could do for a GB49 he just laughed. If you turn the
clock back to 1900 or so, it's not unthinkable that we or our children
may be boating with coal fired steam engines again. Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

On May 1, 11:14?pm, Wayne.B wrote:
?Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Vegetable oil.

Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil, with
peanut oil and cottonseed oil considered prime candidates. At the
very, very, beginning it was all about bio-diesel.

Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.

Sadly, I suspect that pleasure boating will involve more sailing in
future generations. Not that sailing isn't a fine activity- it's only
sad from the standpoint that a choice will be restricted or
eliminated.

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On May 1, 11:14?pm, Wayne.B wrote:

?Then again, the
original diesel engine ran on coal dust if my memory is correct.

Vegetable oil.

Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on vegetable oil, with
peanut oil and cottonseed oil considered prime candidates. At the
very, very, beginning it was all about bio-diesel.

Not that coal dust might not have been used at some point, but I
wonder how a dust could be injected into a cylinder of compressed air?
A liquid seems more ideally matched to the technical requirement.



I think Wayne is correct, although the coal dust approach didn't work out.

http://www.dieselpage.com/tipshis.htm

Eisboch

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On May 1, 8:51 pm, "RCE" wrote:

Bring it and your strumming fingers over. Here's a recent (like last
week)
and not completely finished project I've been working on.

http://www.eisboch.com/musicroom

Still have a few things to hook up and some peaking and tweeking to do.



Now that is a beautiful playroom, nice job. Does the family jam with
you? Always like jamming with folks who won't tell me I suck


Mrs. E., some of her friends and other female family members occasionally do
their "girls night out" get togethers at our house and they like to fool
around doing the Karaoke thing. I included that capability in the room
design so they can use it for that. I fool around, mostly by myself on the
keyboards or guitars. Sometimes I'll program a set of midi file songs in
the computer, have the computer automatically load them to the keyboards and
I'll attempt to play along on one of the guitars. Right now I am trying to
learn the bass.

Eisboch

On Wed, 2 May 2007 06:10:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Right now I am trying to learn the bass.

I've always approached the bass guitar as a real guitar missing two
strings. :)

I can play one decently, but I never quite got the hang of being able
to really "play" it.

You want a real challenge, try a lute. Mrs. Wave has a collegue who
is a virtuoso lute player and has a 14 course lute tuned in d-minor.
She plays in some big time baroque quartets. It took me six months to
learn just a simple little tune on a 6 course lute which is tuned like
a tenor viol da gamba - intervals are perfect fourths between all the
courses except the 3rd and 4th, which differ by a major third.

It's a really interesting sound though.