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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:10:38 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
My reasoning: 1. In general, smaller boats are used more for fishing, skiing, tubing and other single day boating activities. They usually are "go fast" boats and burn quite a bit of fuel at or near WOT. So, other than the few that putt-putt around for an afternoon, a weekend of typical boating activities on a smaller boat that require high throttle settings can be quite expensive at today's fuel prices. 2. With the exception of some high performance sportsfish type boats, bigger boats are more efficient in their fuel usage. They can carry more people, more equipment, more overall "stuff" and the gallons burned per hour won't change much due to load changes. Furthermore, big boats typically aren't used for "go fast" afternoon recreational activities. A leisurely cruise to a favorite port can be an all day pleasure trip for a number of people at a relatively low fuel burn rate. For example, at cruise speed (19 knots) our Navigator burns about 25 gallons of diesel fuel per hour. This is on a boat that, loaded with fuel, water and all our "stuff" probably displaces around 40,000 lbs. or more. If I drop that speed down to 10-12 knots, I'll bet it burns less than half that. Also, it holds 500 gallons of fuel, so we can go quite a while without worrying about where to get fuel. 3. My final point. A smaller boat is used, then hauled or tied up at a slip until the next usage. There's not much else to do on it. It can be washed quickly, maybe the owner can hang out for a while, but usually it's a day event. A bigger boat has more to offer in terms of function, in my opinion. I still enjoy spending 3 or 4 days or more at a time, several times during the summer, "living" aboard the boat, either at the slip or occasionally swinging on a mooring. I don't necessarily need to burn fuel to enjoy it. Often, I simply putter around doing maintenance chores during the day and enjoying the occasional visits of others with boats at the marina or other visiting friends. Then, when all but a few leave for home, the rest of us enjoy the evening cool air shooting the breeze or in quiet solitude if we choose. When it's time for sleep, there's a very comfortable queen size bed awaiting. And .... in my opinion .... there's nothing better than a cup of coffee in the morning while watching the sun rise. Then ... there's the fun of riding out the occasional storms. Eisboch So, smaller boats are for families with children, bigger boats are strictly adult fare. ;-) |
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On Apr 29, 10:07 pm, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: Anyway, to sherrif chuckies point, my children (the next generation of spenders) and many or their peers are moving toward greener play across the board. Kayaking (touring), indoor rock climbing, and bike trips are big, vacations are no longer Daytona, but New Orleans for cleanup and culture. Not trying to put a damper on your optimism, greener play is clearly a good thing, but I wonder how much is purely due to age, and not a different philosophy. I know my play activities were more physically intensive, and less energy intensive, when I was in my twenties, than they are now. I'd also point out most most twenty-year-olds, starting out raising families, buying houses, etc. don't have the economic means to be heavily involved in recreational boating. Did you ever wonder why this newsgroup is populated with the middle-aged? I don't quite agree. My generation is a lot more physical in play than my parents. And I suspect the next will carry it's healthy green philosophy even later into middle and even old age. My dad did not work out an hour a day (after work) as I do now at my age (50), did not eat nearly as well and was not nearly as eco-knowledgable. I guess we will have to see. And on a side note, if I were to guess, most of the posters here are at least retirement age or better. Just a guess. |
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:27:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
The difference is the speed at which you play. Consider the differences in a couple of boat examples: Boat "A": 25' something with a 225 hp gas outboard or a 300 hp I/O setup. Boat displaces about 5K-6K lbs. With a couple of people aboard plus "stuff" what is it's fuel burn at "cruise" which is probably 32-35 kts? Boat "B": 50' something with twin, 370hp turbodiesels. Boat displaces 38k-40k lbs. With any legal number of people aboard plus all their "stuff" what is it's fuel burn rate at "cruise" which is 18-19 kts? Betcha Boat "B" (which is over 7 times heavier) is burning fuel at a comparable rate to boat "A". If so, which boat is more efficient? It's easy enough to balpark the numbers. I happen to own a Boat "A", SeaRay 270 Sundeck, actually 26.5 ft, 5800 lbs dry, 320 hp I/O gas. It cruises 25 to 30 kts and burns 12 to 15 gph, averaging a little better than 2 nautical miles per gallon. Boat "B" will typically burn 25 to 30 gph averaging about .7 nautical miles per gallon. So in theory Boat "A" is about 3 times as efficient ignoring weight. Boat "B" however is 6 or 7 times heavier so on a per pound basis is about twice as efficient as Boat "A". It all depends what your boating objectives are. My experience with larger boats indicates that fuel costs are a significantly smaller percentage of annual operating costs. As an example, on our GB49, fuel costs are less than 30% of annual, even in a year where we burn 5,000 gallons. The big numbers other than fuel are maintenance, depreciation/amortization, and insurance. If I had to pay for marina storage that would reduce fuel percentage even more. On the 26 ft I/O however, fuel costs are over 50 to 70% of annual doing ball park calculations. Based on all that, I'd conclude that higher fuel prices impact small to mid size boats more than larger ones. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:27:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The difference is the speed at which you play. Consider the differences in a couple of boat examples: Boat "A": 25' something with a 225 hp gas outboard or a 300 hp I/O setup. Boat displaces about 5K-6K lbs. With a couple of people aboard plus "stuff" what is it's fuel burn at "cruise" which is probably 32-35 kts? Boat "B": 50' something with twin, 370hp turbodiesels. Boat displaces 38k-40k lbs. With any legal number of people aboard plus all their "stuff" what is it's fuel burn rate at "cruise" which is 18-19 kts? Betcha Boat "B" (which is over 7 times heavier) is burning fuel at a comparable rate to boat "A". If so, which boat is more efficient? It's easy enough to balpark the numbers. I happen to own a Boat "A", SeaRay 270 Sundeck, actually 26.5 ft, 5800 lbs dry, 320 hp I/O gas. It cruises 25 to 30 kts and burns 12 to 15 gph, averaging a little better than 2 nautical miles per gallon. Boat "B" will typically burn 25 to 30 gph averaging about .7 nautical miles per gallon. So in theory Boat "A" is about 3 times as efficient ignoring weight. Boat "B" however is 6 or 7 times heavier so on a per pound basis is about twice as efficient as Boat "A". It all depends what your boating objectives are. I should have qualified the efficiency question in a better way. I was looking at it from the weight point of view and in terms of how much fuel was being used to move it. Agreed with the objectives issue. My point was that bigger boats aren't necessarily "less green" than smaller ones, depending on how both types are used. I'll bet I use less fuel on a leisurely cruise over to Martha's Vineyard on the Navigator than I would spending an afternoon pulling kids on a tube or waterskiing on a boat like the Scout I recently sold. Now, the GB is a different story altogether. I couldn't burn a quarter of a tank in a day if I tried. Eisboch |
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On Apr 29, 11:29?am, JR North wrote:
Just who do you expect is stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON..... JR Maybe the guys in the market for used boats like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. And, heck yes it's possible to boat really, really, cheaply. Strap a little car-topper upside down over an 88 Honda Accord and head for the beach. When there, row around or hang a 3-5 HP outboard on the back. It doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that most folks prefer something above a minimalist experience. |
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On Apr 29, 12:40�pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote: Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same effect? That's a good point. *Personally, I think last year the market tested $3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped significantly. They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. *After the 75% runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses. It's interesting that some in the professional services industries, like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't afford a co-pay even. *Trades people are even feeling it because their prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance increases. You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year (including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher. That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel costs. And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. *Gonig out to get some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. *Gotta learn the ins and outs of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's *Navigator. :) *[1] WHOO HOO!!! [1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life and with me in charge, you never know. *:) Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely the price of gas will have no bearing: http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9 (Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with triple outboards" Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40 mph). But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k? |
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:19:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
Now, the GB is a different story altogether. I couldn't burn a quarter of a tank in a day if I tried. I could. The 49 with twin DDs is quite a different animal that a 36 with a smallish single. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 29, 11:29?am, JR North wrote: Just who do you expect is stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON..... JR Maybe the guys in the market for used boats like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. And, heck yes it's possible to boat really, really, cheaply. Strap a little car-topper upside down over an 88 Honda Accord and head for the beach. When there, row around or hang a 3-5 HP outboard on the back. It doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that most folks prefer something above a minimalist experience. We are not saying that goes down the road behind a beater truck. That goes down the road behind a vehicle owned by an upper middle class income person. A $128,000 used boat is not the middle class boat of choice. My boat is very nice and replacement is about $50k. Looks very good now and would sell for about $25k. But a family with kids does not need most of the boats that are being peddled these days. A 2004 Ski Nautique for $47.5k http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/b...ck&searchtype= Give us a break. Only a fairly well to do young professional or somebody in hock to the eyeballs will be able to afford that if they have a family. Or the parents were well off. Lots of people have come here and been abused for thinking of a 18-19' Bayliner Capri. A family can afford that. Even at $18-19k new. You can tow it with most midsized cars with care. And no mountains to tow over. I think we will see more of the under $20k boats. The makers of those will be the ones to survive. Those and the Davis Boats types. Custom $100k fishing boats for the guy who is late middle age, and can afford the tariff. |
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On 29 Apr 2007 21:07:19 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. Frankly it's not really a trailer boat at all. Too wide in most states without a wide load permit, and too heavy for anything but a triple axle trailer and a super duty truck. Trailerability for most boats tops out at about 24 to 26 feet. |
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On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: "With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with triple outboards" Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40 mph). But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k? Economy means different things to different people. Here in Florida economy could mean sufficient fuel range to round trip the Bahamas without filling up over there. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 11:29?am, JR North wrote: Just who do you expect is stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON..... JR Maybe the guys in the market for used boats like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. And, heck yes it's possible to boat really, really, cheaply. Strap a little car-topper upside down over an 88 Honda Accord and head for the beach. When there, row around or hang a 3-5 HP outboard on the back. It doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that most folks prefer something above a minimalist experience. I doubt most guys who buy 28' Gradys trailer them very far, if at all, Dr. Spam. Gradys are pretty popular around here, and that includes the larger ones. Most are slipped at marinas. Some are kept at storage lots adjacent to marinas. You don't need much of a truck to get your boat from the storage lot to the ramp. And if the ramps are decent, you typically do not need a 4X4 as a launch vehicle. As for what "most folks" prefer, I suggest you haven't a clue. Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory. |
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petrol prices here in Australia $1.35 per litre equals $5.10 per gallon
"wf3h" wrote in message ups.com... Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same effect? |
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On Apr 29, 9:33�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 21:07:19 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. Frankly it's not really a trailer boat at all. *Too wide in most states without a wide load permit, and too heavy for anything but a triple axle trailer and a super duty truck. Trailerability for most boats tops out at about 24 to 26 feet. I agree that an F-350 or equivalent would be the sort of truck best suited to tow that 28-footer. In many states the only permit needed is handled by the payment of an annual fee and an agreement not to tow between sunset and sunrise. Not suggesting that everybody run out and buy a GW, only responding to a comment implying that "nobody would spend $120,000 to go trailer boating." Apparently some people do. And north of $120,000 gets them only a boat, no trailer (another few thousand or so), and no tow vehicle. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 9:33�pm, Wayne.B wrote: On 29 Apr 2007 21:07:19 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. Frankly it's not really a trailer boat at all. �Too wide in most states without a wide load permit, and too heavy for anything but a triple axle trailer and a super duty truck. Trailerability for most boats tops out at about 24 to 26 feet. I agree that an F-350 or equivalent would be the sort of truck best suited to tow that 28-footer. In many states the only permit needed is handled by the payment of an annual fee and an agreement not to tow between sunset and sunrise. Not suggesting that everybody run out and buy a GW, only responding to a comment implying that "nobody would spend $120,000 to go trailer boating." Apparently some people do. And north of $120,000 gets them only a boat, no trailer (another few thousand or so), and no tow vehicle. A diesel F250 will pull a 28' Grady rig properly, if that is what you want to do. But I doubt very many owners of 28' Gradys tow their boats around. Have you and Mrs. Spam picked out your summer parkas? |
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On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote:
Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy Hatteras. Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you like and see for yourself!", one did. As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate means were known to live. My memory doesn't serve me well enough to recall whether it was specifically refered to as a "single wide". As I recall, he thought somebody was home and knocked on the door but nobody answered. The fellow who took the road trip to Florida reported his findings to the NG. The "Hatteras owner" immediately claimed that the road tripper had gone to the wrong address, and added that in case anybody else had the same idea of traveling to Florida to see this fantastic Hatteras they should know it was already too late to do so. The "Hatteras owner" was suddenly an ex-Hatteras owner, having accepted an offer far in excess of the killer-diller deal he had so shrewdly struck when he purchased it himself. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. You are entirely right, Harry. Any story about building plastic canoes would pale in comparison to tales of disappearing Hatteras, invisible lobster boats, and suck by suck descriptions about pumping septic tanks. Good thing you never claimed to own a Hatteras; you'd look like the world's biggest hypocrite with your sudden disdain for any boats larger than a car-topper. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote: Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy Hatteras. Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you like and see for yourself!", one did. As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate means were known to live. ... Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was "discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of humorous, because I'm "in the phone book." You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest techniques in building "price" boats? |
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On Apr 30, 9:33?am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote: Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy Hatteras. Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you like and see for yourself!", one did. As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate means were known to live. ... Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was "discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of humorous, because I'm "in the phone book." You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest techniques in building "price" boats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's a weird response, Harry. Nowhere in that post did I even mention your name. Why do you think that post had anything to do with you? If it was so far off base, why did you feel the need to defend yourself? Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them. Well, Chuck "Just Call Me Mr. Spam" Gould, your posts seem to get more tasteless each time you find your keyboard. Non-boater? On what do you base that? Poster of soft porn sites? I don't even know what a "soft porn" site is, Chuck. Is that a site for guys like you who don't appreciate "hard" porn? Computer geek? Moi? Just because I moved up from DOS 1.1 and you still use AOL and GOOGLE groups and I don't? You're the one in attack mode, netcop. I'm just pulling you up by your shorthairs for your hypocrisy. You know, your "My stuff doesn't stink, but yours does" attitude. Soft porn site? Sorry, don't know any. |
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On Apr 30, 1:15 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 9:33?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote: Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy Hatteras. Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you like and see for yourself!", one did. As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate means were known to live. ... Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was "discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of humorous, because I'm "in the phone book." You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest techniques in building "price" boats?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's a weird response, Harry. Nowhere in that post did I even mention your name. Why do you think that post had anything to do with you? If it was so far off base, why did you feel the need to defend yourself? Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's ok chuck, my turn to be reasonable. Like in any society, many here don't care for either one of you, or me for that matter. The difference is most of us have respect for your boating knowledge, and in spite of our protests, with a grain of salt are usually interested in what you have to say. Personally, I do trust you come here with good intention, and I would guess that most others do too. harry, well, there is just no substance there. I would not bother with him if I were you. |
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In addition, I would note that is seems an effective response to call
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On Apr 30, 11:46?am, John H. wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 29, 12:40?pm, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely the price of gas will have no bearing: http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9 (Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with triple outboards" Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40 mph). But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k? Look again, the thing comes with *four* 300hp outboards!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, it does have an optional rigging of either 3 or 4 outboards. I referenced the three outboard configuration as that is what the speed and range claims are based upon. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. |
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On Apr 30, 10:24�am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a political troll, and a *bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them. Well, Chuck "Just Call Me Mr. Spam" Gould, your posts seem to get more tasteless each time you find your keyboard. Non-boater? On what do you base that? Poster of soft porn sites? I don't even know what a "soft porn" site is, Chuck. Is that a site for guys like you who don't appreciate "hard" porn? Computer geek? Moi? Just because I moved up from DOS 1.1 and you still use AOL and GOOGLE groups and I don't? You're the one in attack mode, netcop. I'm just pulling you up by your shorthairs for your hypocrisy. You know, your "My stuff doesn't stink, but yours does" attitude. Soft porn site? Sorry, don't know any. Take a careful look, Harry. Every one of my comments about your dubious presence here or your illustrious past is in *response* to some unprovoked nastiness from you with my name on it. If you're tired of tasteless retorts, stop bringing up my name where it doesn't belong. Take note how another party and I recently resolved this: he hasn't posted any unprovoked flames with my name attached, and I haven't mentioned him by name at all. It really can be that easy, or it can be as tough as you want to make it. If you don't like the content of one of my boating related posts, feel free to say so. You can do that without firing up the flame thrower and making personal remarks. If I don't like the content of one of your poltical trolls, I will feel free to say so as well. If we're intelligent adults, we will restrict our comments to the content rather than speculate on the character of the other party. |
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Don White wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. don, Who is Chuck talking about ? |
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On 30 Apr 2007 10:50:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
I knwo I'm cheap Hell, even cheap folks have a spell checker. Thsi is just miserly. :) |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:41:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Apr 29, 11:29?am, JR North wrote: Just who do you expect is stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON..... JR Maybe the guys in the market for used boats like this one? http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000 beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would be surprised to see it done routinely. And, heck yes it's possible to boat really, really, cheaply. Strap a little car-topper upside down over an 88 Honda Accord and head for the beach. When there, row around or hang a 3-5 HP outboard on the back. It doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that most folks prefer something above a minimalist experience. I doubt most guys who buy 28' Gradys trailer them very far, if at all, Dr. Spam. Gradys are pretty popular around here, and that includes the larger ones. Most are slipped at marinas. Some are kept at storage lots adjacent to marinas. You don't need much of a truck to get your boat from the storage lot to the ramp. And if the ramps are decent, you typically do not need a 4X4 as a launch vehicle. As for what "most folks" prefer, I suggest you haven't a clue. Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us with tours of the plastic canoe factory. Harry, you're such a sweetheart. What a neat guy! |
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On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: On Apr 29, 12:40?pm, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely the price of gas will have no bearing: http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9 (Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with triple outboards" Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40 mph). But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k? Look again, the thing comes with *four* 300hp outboards! |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 30 Apr 2007 10:50:00 -0700, Tim wrote: I knwo I'm cheap Hell, even cheap folks have a spell checker. Thsi is just miserly. :) Yeah, but.. bu-but.... I'd lose vernaklier expression! "GOOGLEE " was mant to be correct, though. |
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don, Who is Chuck talking about ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - JustWaitAFrekinMinute sheepishly raises his hand??? |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. |
Gas prices and power boating
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. Careful there, fella. Herringbrain might throw one of those goofballs he cleans as Club Volunteer at you. I hope that club locks up its liquor cabinet when Herring's around. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. Careful there, fella. Herringbrain might throw one of those goofballs he cleans as Club Volunteer at you. I hope that club locks up its liquor cabinet when Herring's around. You and Donnie still fixating on alcohol consumtion. Maybe you should join AA. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. Careful there, fella. Herringbrain might throw one of those goofballs he cleans as Club Volunteer at you. I hope that club locks up its liquor cabinet when Herring's around. You and Donnie still fixating on alcohol consumtion. Maybe you should join AA. Maybe you should enroll in an ESL class. Your language skills...suck. |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. Careful there, fella. Herringbrain might throw one of those goofballs he cleans as Club Volunteer at you. I hope that club locks up its liquor cabinet when Herring's around. You and Donnie still fixating on alcohol consumtion. Maybe you should join AA. Maybe you should enroll in an ESL class. Your language skills...suck. Better to suck on the language skills than at life like you do. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... Which do you think adds more, Donnie, Harry's denigrating personal attacks or Chuck's boating posts? That's not the point John..and you know it. |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:39:24 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:37 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message egroups.com... snip.. Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or lynched as the actual culprit. Wow..after all the talk about improving the newsgroup and how bad it was a year ago, I can't believe you would regurgitate this kind of garbage from the type of posters we had infesting the group. You've just given up any moral right to critize any other posts here. Donnie, there are times when you should just shut up. This is one of them. Since you are another who claims to want a better newsgroup, I would strongly advise you to follow your own advice. Which do you think adds more, Donnie, Harry's denigrating personal attacks or Chuck's boating posts? |
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