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Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 9:38�am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:33?am, Harry Krause wrote:
So, when are you visiting Noah's boat factory?- Hide quoted text -
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Not any time soon. There are enough mythical boats being reported on
already in this NG. A Hatteras and a lobster boat come immediately to
mind. There's a greater chance of finding Noah's boat than of
discovering one of those.
I make no apology, by the way, for posting details of things observed
in various boat factories. This is a �boating newsgroup. Not a soft
porn, septic tank, driveway, handgun, political troll and flame fest
convention.
Thus writes Chuck "My SPAM No Steeenk" Gould, the boat factory visiting
pimp of rec.boats.

Perhaps your observations of boats and boat factories might have a bit
of credibility if you weren't such a goody two shoes about it, eh? The
few times I have visited boat factories, I noticed what I thought were
"short cuts" that would affect quality, and I said so.

Perhaps if you had visited more than a "few times" you would
understand that
there are several schools of thought about the best way to build a
boat.
Nobody sets out to deliberately build a bad boat. With your expertise
developed after a "few visits" you aren't qualified to comment on
whether such and such a practice at such and such a plant represents a
bad or short cut technique. Nor am I.

A good report includes what processes were observed, and if there is a
reason that the builder feels that process is particularly appropriate
for the vessel or system in question that is also a reasonable thing
to report.


Have you ever
panned a boat whose manufacturer you were trying to get to advertise in
your pub?


Most of the things people find "wrong" with boats are subjective in
nature.
We often comment on things that are subjectively less pleasing, (which
you would know if you were one of our regular readers). Just because I
don't care as much for a boat with small side decks (for example)
doesn't mean that it's a bad boat or that it wouldn't appeal to
somebody more interested in cabin volume than in exterior deck space.
Not responding to my personal tastes doesn't make something a "bad
boat"- or if it did you wouldn't see anything except 8 knot trawlers
given a favorable nod.

I write 40-50 boat reviews a year. Don't presume to judge all of them
by the couple dozen or so I posted here (to mixed responses from
"great!" to "damn spammer!") over a period of 2-3 years.






Frankly, most of the "boat reviews" and "factory visit" reports you have
posted here read as if they were rewrites from the manufacturer's PR
department.

I love your paragraph about "several schools of thought" regarding the
"best ways" to build a boat, and therefore you cannot make a
determination of quality. That's as great an example of rationalization
and whoredom as I've seen. There are plenty of ways, large and small, to
determine whether a builder is putting together boats properly. If the
hoses aren't double-clamped, if the windshield wobbles when you lean on
it, if the bilge pump is the smallest one made, if the wiring harness
consists of the lightest gauge wiring available, if the windows and
hatches leak, if the engine vibrates, if there are chunks of resin
everywhere, if the assemblers don't seem to know what they are
doing...well, the list goes on and on and on.

We're not discussing side decks or aesthetics here. What's the wiring
loom look like on the last eight knot barge you "reviewed?" What gauge
wires? How neatly was the loom assembled? Was everything labeled
properly? What provisions were made for engine fluid changes? Filtration?

You know, some of the stuff that matters.

Anyone who has ever read any of the "industry" mags know that the
magazines and mfg'ers have a symbiotic relationship.

Anyone who has ever read a NG also understand that NO reputable mfg'er
would ever pay a writer or boating mag a penny to place a review in a
NG. Chuck cut and pastes his articles from his mag in an effort to spur
boating threads and conversations. They don't provide any additional
income to the builder or the mag.

You on the other hand spend all of your time trying to discourage
boating discussions, because your only purpose for visiting rec.boats is
to hurl your one line, juvenile insults. Oh I forgot, and to post
photos of your cabinets, your septic tank being pumped and your driveway
being paved.

The one topic that would be of interest to rec.boats are some photos of
your lobster boat, which will never be posted.

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On 30 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Could a wooden boat, or any wooden structure, survive for several
thousand years?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...rome-ship.html

http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question43690.html

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1997/shipwreck-0910.html

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:08:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


You know, some of the stuff that matters.

The fact is, Harry, Chuck writes about boats. You make denigrating comments
about others. That seems to be your goal in life.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Anyone who has ever read any of the "industry" mags know that the
magazines and mfg'ers have a symbiotic relationship.



You know, you could be right about that Reggie.

That;s one reason I quit subscribing to Cycle World mag. Not only was
the rag 3/4 advertisments that I was being forst to buy, and the
sadvertisers were being forsed to pay for, But it seemed to me that
every other edition was some review for Ducatti motorcycles. My
Lands! How many reviews could they do????

I got tired of it. BTW, Ducatti? (italian) CW mag is also owned by
Filapacchi (italian) Publishing....


makes you wonder.

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"Zymurgy, an introduction to home brewing" More information than ads.
Coopers Austrailian Ale, mmmmmmm good.

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Tim wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Anyone who has ever read any of the "industry" mags know that the
magazines and mfg'ers have a symbiotic relationship.



You know, you could be right about that Reggie.

That;s one reason I quit subscribing to Cycle World mag. Not only was
the rag 3/4 advertisments that I was being forst to buy, and the
sadvertisers were being forsed to pay for, But it seemed to me that
every other edition was some review for Ducatti motorcycles. My
Lands! How many reviews could they do????

I got tired of it. BTW, Ducatti? (italian) CW mag is also owned by
Filapacchi (italian) Publishing....


makes you wonder.


There are a couple of boating mags that aren't complete whores, and do
criticize some of the products they "review."

I'd like a Duc. I'd keep it in my garage, keep it shiny and sit on it.
Too dangerous to ride a cycle around here; every week, at least once a
week, a cyclist is killed or seriously injured in my part of Maryland,
usually by a car driver who claimed he didn't "see" the motorcyclist.

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On 30 Apr 2007 12:32:23 -0700, Tim wrote:


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Anyone who has ever read any of the "industry" mags know that the
magazines and mfg'ers have a symbiotic relationship.



You know, you could be right about that Reggie.

That;s one reason I quit subscribing to Cycle World mag. Not only was
the rag 3/4 advertisments that I was being forst to buy, and the
sadvertisers were being forsed to pay for, But it seemed to me that
every other edition was some review for Ducatti motorcycles. My
Lands! How many reviews could they do????

I got tired of it. BTW, Ducatti? (italian) CW mag is also owned by
Filapacchi (italian) Publishing....


makes you wonder.

A nice motorcycle magazine I'm trying for the first time is " Roadrunner".
This month's issue even shows the new Moto Guzzi 'Norge', all 1200cc of
V-twin beauty!

Another magazine I've started that I really enjoy is "Center Console
Angler". Very enjoyable, and discusses boats that are my size.

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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:48:27 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 30 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Could a wooden boat, or any wooden structure, survive for several
thousand years?

How old is the shroud of Turin? It's made of linen.

CWM


Target had them on sale last weekend. Genuine shrouds of Turin.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:48:27 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On 30 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Could a wooden boat, or any wooden structure, survive for several
thousand years?


How old is the shroud of Turin? It's made of linen.

CWM

Also consider that million year old fully intact dinosaurs have been
uncovered.

Given the right conditions a wooden boat could certainly survive for several
thousand years.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:48:27 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:

On 30 Apr 2007 08:24:45 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Could a wooden boat, or any wooden structure, survive for several
thousand years?

How old is the shroud of Turin? It's made of linen.

CWM


Target had them on sale last weekend. Genuine shrouds of Turin.

And you accuse others of being anti-Semitic. I guess knocking other
religions is OK in your tortured world.