U.S. Coast Guard Makes Biggest Cocaine Bust in U.S. History
 

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On Apr 23, 8:09?pm, Tim wrote:
Your tax dollars at work!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=29...C-RSSFeeds0312

You gotta love this line:

This bust blows past the old record...... :-)

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

You gotta love this line:

This bust blows past the old record...... :-)


Nothing to sneeze at to be sure........ :)

-W

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On Apr 23, 11:37 pm, "Clams Canino" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
You gotta love this line:

This bust blows past the old record...... :-)

Nothing to sneeze at to be sure........ :)

-W

"...At nearly 20 tons, it's the largest maritime cocaine bust in U.S.
history. ..."

20 tons? thats a "snoot-ful!"

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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

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JimH wrote:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!
Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.




Please. Fred was counting on a small part of that shipment for his income...

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it. Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".

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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes against
others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has to do with
cocaine, not alcohol.

U.S. Coast Guard Makes Biggest Cocaine Bust in U.S. History
 

The high cost of drug use is because it is illegal and the price is
artificially inflated to line the pockets of those in the manu. and distr.
of the illegal drugs. If they were not illegal, they could be sold for
less than alcohol.

The criminal eliminate would hate to see them decriminalize drugs, they only
make money because they are illegal.


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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes against
others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has to do with
cocaine, not alcohol.

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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes against
others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has to do with
cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory. The crimes you
mentioned are a subset of a larger category: drug related crime, in general.
This includes not just the crimes you pointed out, but also those committed
by people who sell drugs. Turf wars, for instance. This is how it relates to
prohibition, and this is why I asked you the original question. Much of the
violence exists because the stuff is illegal. This is why you have not heard
of THIS TYPE of violence related to alcohol.

Do NOT send this discussion off in another direction by pointing out that
crimes are sometimes committed because people are drunk. That has nothing to
do with the legality of the substance involved.

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sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory.

Joe, you are as predictable as the sun rise including your need to turn a
thread OT and to fill it with insults and personal attacks. I choose
therefore not to discuss this any further with you.

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ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory.

Joe, you are as predictable as the sun rise including your need to turn a
thread OT and to fill it with insults and personal attacks. I choose
therefore not to discuss this any further with you.


You opened the door for this. You stepped through the door.

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Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity he
requires in order to get through life.

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Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity
he requires in order to get through life.


Another thread ends up in the toilet thanks to our 2 outstanding
contributors.

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Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity
he requires in order to get through life.


Another thread ends up in the toilet thanks to our 2 outstanding
contributors.

If you hadn't pretended not to see the point, this would not have happened.
If you were not pretending, but actually did NOT see the point, you need to
think longer before typing.

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On 24 Apr 2007 14:45:16 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Oh, you mean like what happened during alcohol prohibition? Ending
prohibition ended the crime associated with it.

Really?

Or do you mean that making illegal alcohol legal stopped the crime of
making and marketing illegal alcohol?

If so, wow - that's deep.

Genius level reasoning.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

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On Apr 24, 5:39?am, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"


Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

1. Spouse
2. kids
3. parents
4. friends
5. employer
6. employees
7. creditors
8. innocent drivers encountered in traffic

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc


"My drug use (which includes the drug alcohol, btw) doesn't affect
anybody but me!" has to be one of the most selfish and shortsighted
statements of the modern era.

We all use drugs or chemicals of some kind for recreational purposes.
Maybe we enjoy the stimulation of a cup of coffee, the relaxation of a
bowl of pot, the rush of a sugar cookie, the taste of a good cigar,
the sweet semi-consciousness of heroin, or the general unwind
associated with the consumption of a few beers. Nearly any of those
vices can ruin your life and profoundly affect the lives of people who
love and depend on you. Some of them can so alter your motor and
perceptions skills that you should not be allowed behind the wheel of
a car or a boat. Some (like tobacco and other substances) so
profoundly alter the user's physiology that the body soon feels
abnormal when not being dosed with a specific poison.

I always find it particularly alarming when I am out on the boat and I
encounter a boatload of drunks (either out on the water or staggering
around a marina). There are so many additional hazards associated with
the marine environment that it's important to have your wits about
you. How many times a year do we see people operating a boat, often at
high speeds, with a bottle of beer in one hand and a steering wheel in
the other? Alcohol is the most abused drug in America and a factor in
an alarming number of boating accidents, deaths, and injuries each
year.

People will use most of these addictive products whether they are
legal or illegal. It's legal to buy rat posion, but few people are
going to run out and buy a box of it and start shoving it into their
mouth with a spoon as a result. Simply legalizing something doesn't
automatically increase consumption- and legalization could help reduce
the allure of various controlled substances among rebellious
youngsters.

We should legalize it all, tax it, and control it. Most of the crime
and violence associated with drug use doesn't occur because the drugs
make people criminal and violent (well, meth maybe) but is present
because we force addicts to do business with violent criminals who are
the current suppliers of many of our perferred addictive substances.

Most of the criminal activity and gang violence associated with the
distribution of liquor ceased when Prohibiton was repealed. The same
would likely prove true for cocaine, marijuana, opiates, etc.

A progressive country would supply addicted individuals as much
substance as needed while at the same time work with these individuals
to help them break the habit. That would be hideously expensive, but
at least a few people would be cured and we wouldn't be dealing with
the billions of dollars each year in social costs and incarcerations
associated with the use or illegal distribution of drugs. As it is, we
are paying all of the social costs without really curing anybody- all
the while maintaining an atmosphere where some of the most vicious
criminal elements in the world can wrack up billions of dollars in
profits. Some of this profit finds it way to Al Qaida and the Taliban-
particularly from heroin.

So hurrah for the USCG's interdiction of this coke shipment. Until we
change our failed policies associated with the "war on drugs",
treating drug addiction like a crime rather than a disease is the only
tool we have to work with. Darn poor tool it is, but it's the only one
in the box.

Meanwhile, boat sober.

It can be important to

Spouse
kids
parents
friends
employer
employees
creditors
innocent boaters encountered on the water

etc, etc, etc,

:-)

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:13:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory.

Joe, you are as predictable as the sun rise including your need to turn a
thread OT and to fill it with insults and personal attacks. I choose
therefore not to discuss this any further with you.


You opened the door for this. You stepped through the door.


Yeah, but he's losing. Careful or he'll pretend to killfile you.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

Yes, but they have nothing to do with the marketing of purchase of alcohol.
Unless you're hallucinating, you have not heard of liquor wholesalers
murdering each other to gain market share.

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On 24 Apr 2007 14:45:16 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Oh, you mean like what happened during alcohol prohibition? Ending
prohibition ended the crime associated with it.

Really?

Or do you mean that making illegal alcohol legal stopped the crime of
making and marketing illegal alcohol?

If so, wow - that's deep.

Genius level reasoning.

You did not see anyone say that, and your sentence (beginning with "Or do
you") makes no sense at all.

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On Apr 23, 11:09 pm, Tim wrote:
Your tax dollars at work!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=29...C-RSSFeeds0312

Oooops, someone didn't get paid.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:15:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

Yes, but they have nothing to do with the marketing of purchase of alcohol.
Unless you're hallucinating, you have not heard of liquor wholesalers
murdering each other to gain market share.

You didn't say anything about marketing distributors - you said
violence related to. Liguour stores are easy targets for robbers,
they certainly cater to alcohol abusers (which, despite academic
denials to the contrary is a big contributor to domestic violence) and
in general serve no further purpose than distributing a drug to the
general populace.

I might also point out that up until recently (say within the past ten
years or so), beer advertising, while not engaged in direct violent
imagery, certainly encouraged drinking to excess.

"The one beer to have when your having more than one" comes to mind
immediately - there are other examples.

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On 24 Apr 2007 16:48:54 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

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On 24 Apr 2007 14:45:16 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In message , JimH sprach
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Oh, you mean like what happened during alcohol prohibition? Ending
prohibition ended the crime associated with it.

Really?

Or do you mean that making illegal alcohol legal stopped the crime of
making and marketing illegal alcohol?

If so, wow - that's deep.

Genius level reasoning.

Go suck a Tommy Gun, ********.

Ah yes - the last refuge of the true intellectual - gutter language.

Your mother must be proud.

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On 24 Apr 2007 16:49:38 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

So you endorse reinstatement of the 18th Amendment?

In a way I do, yes.

For instance, I would like to see life imprisonment for anybody
convicted of driving drunk (or impaired by other means/drugs) where a
life is lost. Minimum two year mandatory suspension of driving
privileges for first conviction of DUI. If you need a car to work,
tough - find a ride. If you drive for a living, find something else.

I could go on, but I won't.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:15:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

Yes, but they have nothing to do with the marketing of purchase of
alcohol.
Unless you're hallucinating, you have not heard of liquor wholesalers
murdering each other to gain market share.

You didn't say anything about marketing distributors - you said
violence related to. Liguour stores are easy targets for robbers,
they certainly cater to alcohol abusers (which, despite academic
denials to the contrary is a big contributor to domestic violence) and
in general serve no further purpose than distributing a drug to the
general populace.

I might also point out that up until recently (say within the past ten
years or so), beer advertising, while not engaged in direct violent
imagery, certainly encouraged drinking to excess.

"The one beer to have when your having more than one" comes to mind
immediately - there are other examples.


1) I shouldn't have implied marketing violence without being more specific
about it.

2) You and I should not continue this branch of the discussion. My intuition
says we're getting too close to something, and I understand completely.

Capisce?

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:36:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

2) You and I should not continue this branch of the discussion. My intuition
says we're getting too close to something, and I understand completely.

Capisce?

10-4

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On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
. ..
In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it. Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

I'm really amazed that the smugglers had the cargo sitting right on
the top for all the world to see.

that's brazenly foolish.

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"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
. ..
In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then filled
with flames to justify taking it OT.

I could turn to the "reading comprehension" insult but I will not sink to
that level. ;-)

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On Apr 24, 9:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...





"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
. ..
In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it. Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".

Of course, the laws of supply and demand tell us that this seizure
will cause the street value of cocaine to rise, which of course
encourages traffickers to take even greater risks to bring it in, and
results in more increased crime as users attempt to support their even
more expensive habits. The inflated street value also leads to more
violent turf battles over dealing territory on the streets.

This is an observation, not an answer, and I certainly don't want to
take anything away from the hard work that the Coast Guard put in to
make such a large bust. It just seems like the war on drugs is like
running on a treadmill- no matter how hard you run, you never really
get ahead.

Michael

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JimH wrote:
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...

In message ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:


Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?


Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.



I had a cousin that was beat to death by a group of meth heads because
they were board and needed somthing to do. I think she felt hurt.

Capt Jack R..

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:42:39 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
roups.com...
On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
. ..
In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then filled
with flames to justify taking it OT.

I could turn to the "reading comprehension" insult but I will not sink to
that level. ;-)


Go adjust your 'filters', Jimmy.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
...
In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

But cocaine seems to do in 6 months what excess alcohol takes 20 years to
accomplish. Some drugs need to be outlawed or at least controlled. Others,
such as pot, should be a free choice item. You can smoke it on private
property, but not on public property. That way, anybody affected is there
by choice. Would reduce the prison population a bunch, taxed, would add
lots of revenue to the state, and reduce the amount of law enforcement
manpower and money spend on the war on drugs. A war we have definitely
lost.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
. ..
In
oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."

U.S. Coast Guard Makes Biggest Cocaine Bust in U.S. History
 

"mjpierce5" wrote in message
ups.com...


Of course, the laws of supply and demand tell us that this seizure
will cause the street value of cocaine to rise, which of course
encourages traffickers to take even greater risks to bring it in, and
results in more increased crime as users attempt to support their even
more expensive habits. The inflated street value also leads to more
violent turf battles over dealing territory on the streets.

This is an observation, not an answer, and I certainly don't want to
take anything away from the hard work that the Coast Guard put in to
make such a large bust. It just seems like the war on drugs is like
running on a treadmill- no matter how hard you run, you never really
get ahead.

Michael



Exactly. All businesses adapt, or they vanish. This is free enterprise. The
American way.

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On 25 Apr 2007 12:37:34 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In message , Short Wave
Sportfishing sprach forth the following:

On 24 Apr 2007 16:49:38 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In message , Short Wave
Sportfishing sprach forth the following:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message ...
In message
ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

So you endorse reinstatement of the 18th Amendment?

In a way I do, yes.

Doing the same thing twice with the expectation of a different result is a
prognosis for insanity.

For instance, I would like to see life imprisonment for anybody
convicted of driving drunk (or impaired by other means/drugs) where a
life is lost.

"Driving drunk" != "manufacture, transport and sale of alcohol".

I could go on, but I won't.

Of course, because nothing you wrote is relevant to the discussion of the
legality of the manufacture, transport, sale or consumption of any
particular substance.

I said in a way.

You restrict manufacture, transport, sales and consumption in the
fashion of expectations - I expect the use of it to be controlled by
modifying behaviors in the form of severe restrictions if the
substance is abused. We can compartmentalize until we're blue in the
face by isolating the production, marketing and sales of any substance
from the abuse of same, but the simple fact is that they are
inexorably linked - supply and demand.

The only way to alter that equation is to remove one - which to me,
would be the disciplinary actions to curtail use and abuse rather than
prohibit the production and sales. If you can't sell it, you can't
continue to make it.

To me, severe penalties for abuse would accomplish that.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
. ..
In
oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."


Nope. I will forgive you for leaving out the fact that I was replying to
the male prostitute when he asked "Who cares if someone is hurting
themselves?".

But whatever you want to think is fine with me Doug. I hope you and Fred
have fun playing in the mud together.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
. ..

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
message
. ..
In
oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time
you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."


Nope. I will forgive you for leaving out the fact that I was replying to
the male prostitute when he asked "Who cares if someone is hurting
themselves?".

But whatever you want to think is fine with me Doug. I hope you and Fred
have fun playing in the mud together.


The "hurting themselves" idea relates to whether certain drugs should be
illegal. Booze is legal, and assuming I didn't drive while drinking, I could
drink myself into a coffin without hurting anyone else (physically). My
brother in law did exactly that. I could also blind myself by using a bench
grinder without safety goggles, or make myself deaf by playing in my band
without hearing protection. Should power tools and drums be illegal?