On 15 Apr 2007 19:20:17 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

I'd never
have a cat bigger than one I could self right.

Based on my own limited experience, that sounds about right.

I used to have a small Hobie and capsized it several times. Unless
you could anticipate the gust coming before it actually hit, it would
be over before you could head up or ease the mainsheet.

These folks in the Gulf last week at least had the advantage of warm
water.

On Apr 15, 7:20�pm, "Joe" wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:34 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:

I took a look at the video .. it wasn't even rough water. *The skipper is
standing on the underside of the boat.

Sheeeeze NE sailboat.

Ever hear of a willawall? Microbursts?


Joe

Where do you hail from, Joe?

Out west we call a sudden onset storm a "williwaw", not a willawall.
Words have a way of being used differently around the country.
"Willawall" isn't such a bad variation- running into one can be like
hitting a wall and I wonder if that's behind your local usage?

On Apr 15, 11:30 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Apr 15, 7:20?pm, "Joe" wrote:

On Apr 15, 6:34 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:

I took a look at the video .. it wasn't even rough water. ?The skipper is
standing on the underside of the boat.

Sheeeeze NE sailboat.

Ever hear of a willawall? Microbursts?

Joe

Where do you hail from, Joe?

Out west we call a sudden onset storm a "williwaw", not a willawall.
Words have a way of being used differently around the country.
"Willawall" isn't such a bad variation- running into one can be like
hitting a wall and I wonder if that's behind your local usage?

I'm just north of Galveston, sail the Gulf of Mexico mostly. Williwaw
is a term I've heard from an engineer from Michigan who wroked for me
on the supply boats, not a term used here much. I figured it might be
a term someone from the NE would understand. Here in the gulf we call
them fronts, microburst's and t storms.

We were pounded hard last June by a micro storm.
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/276...63212926qxyWne

Here is looking back at it:
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/269...63212926gtlLgt

It put the rail underwater, and blew the hatch off the top of my
wheelhouse:
http://sports.webshots.com/photo/269...63212926AtNrvq

Joe

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:46:08 -0700, Joe wrote:


I'm just north of Galveston, sail the Gulf of Mexico mostly. Williwaw is
a term I've heard from an engineer from Michigan who wroked for me on
the supply boats, not a term used here much. I figured it might be a
term someone from the NE would understand. Here in the gulf we call them
fronts, microburst's and t storms.

Different phenomenon. A true williwaw is associated with mountains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind

I'm not happy about people getting into trouble, but it does seem like
vindication
for all the opposition I got when I originally brought up this subject months
ago.

Sherwin D.

"Wayne.B" wrote:

http://www.nbc-2.com/Video/Xtras.sht...eoId=769701845

35 ft cat in route from Isla Mujeres to FL, 175 miles SW of Tampa

http://tinyurl.com/2vnm6o

On Apr 15, 8:10 pm, sherwindu wrote:
I'm not happy about people getting into trouble, but it does seem like
vindication
for all the opposition I got when I originally brought up this subject months
ago.

I don't recall that thread. Was it here in RBC? Were people arguing
that multihulls don't or can't capsize? I have extensive offshore
experience in my catamaran and in many monohulls and am reasonably
well tuned into the multihull cruising community and I think that
multihulls can be excellent and relatively safe offshore boats.
However, there is no doubt that they can be flipped and are not self-
righting.

-- Tom.

In article .com,
wrote:
On Apr 15, 8:10 pm, sherwindu wrote:
I'm not happy about people getting into trouble, but it does seem like
vindication
for all the opposition I got when I originally brought up this subject months
ago.

I don't recall that thread. Was it here in RBC? Were people arguing
that multihulls don't or can't capsize? I have extensive offshore
experience in my catamaran and in many monohulls and am reasonably
well tuned into the multihull cruising community and I think that
multihulls can be excellent and relatively safe offshore boats.
However, there is no doubt that they can be flipped and are not self-
righting.

I'm sure it'll continue the squabbling, but you're right. They don't
self-right. They're actually more stable flipped, but they also are,
in my view, much safer over all, since you'll be less fatigued if you
have to deal with unfavorable conditions, and that will prevent
stupid-user accidents. These sort are what typically gets people in
trouble.

I've sailed both in- and off-shore, and I own a mono, but I'd rather
have a cruising cat for distance trips. Monos are great fun and a joy
to sail, but I don't living on a heel.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

Wayne.B wrote:
http://www.nbc-2.com/Video/Xtras.sht...eoId=769701845

35 ft cat in route from Isla Mujeres to FL, 175 miles SW of Tampa

http://tinyurl.com/2vnm6o

I've had a "thing" about cats and beam seas for a long time - I just
don't think they are stable enough. Add in some sail area, gust of
wind and you can get knocked down pretty quickly.

That opinion is not built on personal experience - just a feeling
that I have based on experiences with under 30 foot power cats.

Hey - at least the water was warm.