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Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank. He
seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do some
coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat would be
titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother ... so we
left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist for
significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure enough,
it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard, surrounded
by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording of the listing
sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time was sometime around
7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his bank
check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch

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Interesting indeed, but as long as you are happy with the sale, and the bank
check is good, that's all that matters. We have a block yard sale every
year, and the early birds are generally looking for stuff cheap; only to
turn around and sell the stuff at the flea market. Once they pay me and take
the item, I don't care what they do with it.

--Mike

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank.
He seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do
some coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat
would be titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother
... so we left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist
for significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure
enough, it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard,
surrounded by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording
of the listing sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time
was sometime around 7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his
bank check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch

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On Mar 28, 9:03�pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. *He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank. *He
seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. *He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do some
coastal fishing. *He also indicated he was not sure who the boat would be
titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother ... so we
left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist for
significantly more money than I sold it for. * I checked, and sure enough,
it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard, surrounded
by other boats. *The location was given as MA and the wording of the listing
sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time was sometime around
7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. * My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his bank
check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. * Interesting.

Eisboch

Begging the question; was Craig's List magic, or was the boat so
underpriced that the email was flooding in?

It will be interesting to see what happens to the boat at a
"substantially higher" price- but the bottom line is that if you are
happy with the price you received and the buyer is (at least for now)
obviously excited about the price he paid then you didn't make a bad
deal.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


Begging the question; was Craig's List magic, or was the boat so
underpriced that the email was flooding in?

It will be interesting to see what happens to the boat at a
"substantially higher" price- but the bottom line is that if you are
happy with the price you received and the buyer is (at least for now)
obviously excited about the price he paid then you didn't make a bad
deal.
--------------------------------------------

It's getting even weirder. I downloaded the pictures listed on the RI
Craigslist listing and, although poor quality, when I blew them up and
zoomed in, I realized it's not the same boat. The GPS and VHF antennas are
in different locations, the RI listing appears to have trim tabs ... mine
didn't .... the leaning post is of a different design ... and mine had a
Sunbrella cuddy canvas that the RI listing does not have. But ... the
description of the boat, including 23 hours on the engine meter, the
electronics and the trailer match exactly. It *could* be coincidental that
two, different 2003 Scouts have exactly the same engine hours, electronics
and trailer, or he may have used other pictures to represent my boat.

To answer your question regarding Craigslist ... I don't know. I sold it
for well under current market value and "as is" because it hadn't been run
for over 2 years and it needed to be checked out and serviced. The RI
listing is just about what current market value is. What's nice about
Craigslist is that it is regional, so you don't get a lot of remote
"buyers". I've had good luck using it.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank.
He seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do
some coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat
would be titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother
... so we left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist
for significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure
enough, it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard,
surrounded by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording
of the listing sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time
was sometime around 7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his
bank check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch

#$%$^% *******. he probably kept some half decent fisherman from getting a
good deal.

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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank.
He seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do
some coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat
would be titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother
... so we left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist
for significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure
enough, it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard,
surrounded by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording
of the listing sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time
was sometime around 7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his
bank check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch

#$%$^% *******. he probably kept some half decent fisherman from getting a
good deal.


Don, Have you ever talked to anyone about this pent up rage?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank.
He seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do
some coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat
would be titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother
... so we left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist
for significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure
enough, it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard,
surrounded by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording
of the listing sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time
was sometime around 7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his
bank check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch


Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html

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"JimH" wrote in message
...



Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html




Yup. Except that on close inspection the pics are not of my boat. There are
a few minor differences plus the fact that there's no way he could have left
my house after 6pm, as dusk was approaching, trailered it to a boatyard, got
it off the trailer and taken pictures in broad daylight both on blocks and
in the water by 7:48pm which is the time of the Providence posting.

That's what is really weird, because the description of the boat and
electronics, including the 23 engine hours, *exactly* matches my boat.
Also, when he was here he commented on how "economical" the Yamaha 200 hp 4
stroke was .... the same words used in the listing.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:02:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
.. .



Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html




Yup. Except that on close inspection the pics are not of my boat. There are
a few minor differences plus the fact that there's no way he could have left
my house after 6pm, as dusk was approaching, trailered it to a boatyard, got
it off the trailer and taken pictures in broad daylight both on blocks and
in the water by 7:48pm which is the time of the Providence posting.

That's what is really weird, because the description of the boat and
electronics, including the 23 engine hours, *exactly* matches my boat.
Also, when he was here he commented on how "economical" the Yamaha 200 hp 4
stroke was .... the same words used in the listing.

I'd bet money it's your boat with a different picture.

I have heard of flippers doing this off eBay - I can imagine it might
be the same for craigslist.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Guy came by, checked out the Scout and hauled it away at about 6 pm. He
paid for it, some cash and the bulk with a bank check from a local bank.
He seemed very knowledgeable about boats and claimed he had a commercial
fishing. He indicated that he was buying the boat for a relative to do
some coastal fishing. He also indicated he was not sure who the boat
would be titled or registered to yet ... he mentioned possibly his mother
... so we left the buyer's name blank on the title.

I received an e-mail later this evening from another guy who had been
interested in the boat.
He told me the boat I sold was now listed on the Rhode Island Craigslist
for significantly more money than I sold it for. I checked, and sure
enough, it's there, off the trailer and in what appears to be a boatyard,
surrounded by other boats. The location was given as MA and the wording
of the listing sure sounds like that of a boat dealer. The listing time
was sometime around 7:30 pm, or an hour and a half after he left my yard.

Looks like the buyer is either a dealer or he decided to try to "flip" the
boat to make some money. My first thought was "scam", but I doubt his
bank check is phony because I know how to get hold of him and I know his
location. Interesting.

Eisboch

Richard,

That is your boat.

Go to this URL and you'll see the same pix from Craig's list.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1604297/0

I'll bet the guy that's offering it on Craig's list just used the pictures
in his add.

Sorry my buddy in RI didn't recognize a real bargain and wanted you to have
the motor serviced.

Oh well, our loss.

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


Richard,

That is your boat.

Go to this URL and you'll see the same pix from Craig's list.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1604297/0

I'll bet the guy that's offering it on Craig's list just used the pictures
in his add.

Sorry my buddy in RI didn't recognize a real bargain and wanted you to
have the motor serviced.

Oh well, our loss.


No, he did the right thing. I would have done the same. The problem was me
..... I offered an unusual type of sale and frankly didn't think it was going
to sell like that. The idea of a dealer or "flipper" never crossed my mind
until somebody told me the boat showed up again on the list later.

Your friend was watching out for your interests and that's a good thing.

Eisboch

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"John H." wrote in message
...


Perhaps he just liked the way you wrote!
--


Maybe being a boat flipper is in my future?

Eisboch

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RCE wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

Richard,

That is your boat.

Go to this URL and you'll see the same pix from Craig's list.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1604297/0

I'll bet the guy that's offering it on Craig's list just used the pictures
in his add.

Sorry my buddy in RI didn't recognize a real bargain and wanted you to
have the motor serviced.

Oh well, our loss.


No, he did the right thing. I would have done the same. The problem was me
.... I offered an unusual type of sale and frankly didn't think it was going
to sell like that. The idea of a dealer or "flipper" never crossed my mind
until somebody told me the boat showed up again on the list later.

Your friend was watching out for your interests and that's a good thing.

Eisboch




Maybe I missed your answer...did you advertise in a regional CRAIGs or
is there a national CRAIGs?

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:02:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
.. .



Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html




Yup. Except that on close inspection the pics are not of my boat. There are
a few minor differences plus the fact that there's no way he could have left
my house after 6pm, as dusk was approaching, trailered it to a boatyard, got
it off the trailer and taken pictures in broad daylight both on blocks and
in the water by 7:48pm which is the time of the Providence posting.

That's what is really weird, because the description of the boat and
electronics, including the 23 engine hours, *exactly* matches my boat.
Also, when he was here he commented on how "economical" the Yamaha 200 hp 4
stroke was .... the same words used in the listing.

Eisboch



Perhaps he just liked the way you wrote!
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Maybe I missed your answer...did you advertise in a regional CRAIGs or is
there a national CRAIGs?

Sorry ... I thought you were asking that of Shortwave.

I listed it in the Boston (actually south of Boston) region. Anybody can
access any region, worldwide.

That's the whole concept of Craigslist. It's supposed to be a way to locate
items nearby in the case of the buyer and, for the seller, helps eliminate
some of the scam artists by emphasizing local deals.

Eisboch

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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Maybe I missed your answer...did you advertise in a regional CRAIGs or is
there a national CRAIGs?

Sorry ... I thought you were asking that of Shortwave.

I listed it in the Boston (actually south of Boston) region. Anybody can
access any region, worldwide.

That's the whole concept of Craigslist. It's supposed to be a way to
locate items nearby in the case of the buyer and, for the seller, helps
eliminate some of the scam artists by emphasizing local deals.

Eisboch

I emailed the guy advertising "your" boat on Craig's List. I asked him if
it was the same rig with the exact same pictures that is advertised on
YachtWorld.com.

Funny thing, no reply. 8)

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Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...


Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html




Yup. Except that on close inspection the pics are not of my boat. There are
a few minor differences plus the fact that there's no way he could have left
my house after 6pm, as dusk was approaching, trailered it to a boatyard, got
it off the trailer and taken pictures in broad daylight both on blocks and
in the water by 7:48pm which is the time of the Providence posting.

That's what is really weird, because the description of the boat and
electronics, including the 23 engine hours, *exactly* matches my boat.
Also, when he was here he commented on how "economical" the Yamaha 200 hp 4
stroke was .... the same words used in the listing.

Eisboch



The bottom paint is also intact. Still a hell of a coincidence!

Dan

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"Dan" wrote in message
.. .
Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
...


Is this it? http://providence.craigslist.org/boa/302194139.html




Yup. Except that on close inspection the pics are not of my boat. There
are a few minor differences plus the fact that there's no way he could
have left my house after 6pm, as dusk was approaching, trailered it to a
boatyard, got it off the trailer and taken pictures in broad daylight
both on blocks and in the water by 7:48pm which is the time of the
Providence posting.

That's what is really weird, because the description of the boat and
electronics, including the 23 engine hours, *exactly* matches my boat.
Also, when he was here he commented on how "economical" the Yamaha 200 hp
4 stroke was .... the same words used in the listing.

Eisboch



The bottom paint is also intact. Still a hell of a coincidence!

Dan

Here's where the pictures came from for the ad on craigslist.com.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1604297/0

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...


I emailed the guy advertising "your" boat on Craig's List. I asked him if
it was the same rig with the exact same pictures that is advertised on
YachtWorld.com.

Funny thing, no reply. 8)


I also emailed him at the address he originally contacted me with. Surprise
.... no answer.
I have his phone number .... but what's the point .... what's done is done.
If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal. I
think he was a bit dishonest and shady in the manner in which he represented
himself to me but I have to ask myself this:

If he had been up front and told me he was a dealer and intended to resell
the boat the boat, would it have made any difference to me? The answer is
no. He paid my asking price. I think the only thing that bugs me is the
fact that I think I was more honest in the description of the boat's
condition and history in the original listing and on the referenced link to
my website. On the other hand, he may perform all the service and
maintenance issues the boat and engine require before selling it.

One of the other interested parties that responded to my original listing
.... in fact, the one who later discovered and informed me of the boat being
listed again on the Providence Craigslist made an offer to him.

He worded his offer as follows: "I'll give you 500 bucks more than what you
paid for it, $12,500."

Eisboch

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...


I emailed the guy advertising "your" boat on Craig's List. I asked him if
it was the same rig with the exact same pictures that is advertised on
YachtWorld.com.

Funny thing, no reply. 8)


I also emailed him at the address he originally contacted me with. Surprise
... no answer.
I have his phone number .... but what's the point .... what's done is done.
If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal. I
think he was a bit dishonest and shady in the manner in which he represented
himself to me but I have to ask myself this:

If he had been up front and told me he was a dealer and intended to resell
the boat the boat, would it have made any difference to me? The answer is
no. He paid my asking price. I think the only thing that bugs me is the
fact that I think I was more honest in the description of the boat's
condition and history in the original listing and on the referenced link to
my website. On the other hand, he may perform all the service and
maintenance issues the boat and engine require before selling it.

One of the other interested parties that responded to my original listing
... in fact, the one who later discovered and informed me of the boat being
listed again on the Providence Craigslist made an offer to him.

He worded his offer as follows: "I'll give you 500 bucks more than what you
paid for it, $12,500."

That's all?

Hell, I would have given you $12,000 as is when I saw it last year.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Hell, I would have given you $12,000 as is when I saw it last year.

But .... but .... it's a Yamy 4 stroke.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:19:39 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


Hell, I would have given you $12,000 as is when I saw it last year.

But .... but .... it's a Yamy 4 stroke.

So? While I wouldn't be caught dead in it, I'm sure my youngest would
have loved to run around Charleston Harbor in it. :)

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats



Yep. I would suggest that Richard head down to the brokers place ASAP and
force him to sign the title as the buyer.

An open title is never a good thing.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....



Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....



Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch


Let's say the brokers friend asks if he could use the boat for a day or two
and is involved in a fatal accident. Open your wallet because you are
legally the owner of that boat.

You should give your attorney a call on this.

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.
There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....


Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch


Let's say the brokers friend asks if he could use the boat for a day or two
and is involved in a fatal accident. Open your wallet because you are
legally the owner of that boat.

You should give your attorney a call on this.


Richard,

Whenever non-attorney's give you free advice, realize it is worth
exactly what you have paid for it.

You would not be responsible for any damages or have any more liability
than if someone stole your car and had an accident, even if it was a
fatal accident.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....



Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch


Let's say the brokers friend asks if he could use the boat for a day or
two and is involved in a fatal accident. Open your wallet because you
are legally the owner of that boat.

You should give your attorney a call on this.


I think one can get carried away with all the "what ifs". Stuff like that
can happen just by having someone fall on your doorstep trying to sell you
something. That's one of the reasons our lawyer set up some kind of
limited liability corporation that technically "owns" our worldly
possessions. Otherwise, if someone stubs his toe climbing into your boat he
can go after your house. It's crazy, but apparently happens.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....



Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch


Let's say the brokers friend asks if he could use the boat for a day or
two and is involved in a fatal accident. Open your wallet because you
are legally the owner of that boat.

You should give your attorney a call on this.


I think one can get carried away with all the "what ifs". Stuff like
that can happen just by having someone fall on your doorstep trying to
sell you something. That's one of the reasons our lawyer set up some
kind of limited liability corporation that technically "owns" our worldly
possessions. Otherwise, if someone stubs his toe climbing into your boat
he can go after your house. It's crazy, but apparently happens.

Eisboch



Yep, it happens. Your boat......your decision.

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Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.
There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....


Good point. I am not overly concerned because fundamentally I know the
boat and engine are fine. But, your point is well taken.

Eisboch

Let's say the brokers friend asks if he could use the boat for a day or
two and is involved in a fatal accident. Open your wallet because you
are legally the owner of that boat.

You should give your attorney a call on this.


I think one can get carried away with all the "what ifs". Stuff like that
can happen just by having someone fall on your doorstep trying to sell you
something. That's one of the reasons our lawyer set up some kind of
limited liability corporation that technically "owns" our worldly
possessions. Otherwise, if someone stubs his toe climbing into your boat he
can go after your house. It's crazy, but apparently happens.

Eisboch




I just bought 51% of that LLC for $10 from your lawyer. I expect that
diesel truck to be delivered here by the end of next week.

Speaking of diesel trucks, one of my ex-pat retiree buddies, who lives
in Costa Rica, just bought for $18,000, a very nice four-seater Kia
diesel pickup truck. Not a model sold in this country.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Speaking of diesel trucks, one of my ex-pat retiree buddies, who lives in
Costa Rica, just bought for $18,000, a very nice four-seater Kia diesel
pickup truck. Not a model sold in this country.

I've been half thinking of trading in the F-350 on something else, but I
don't know what to get. I originally got it to tow a big, 5th wheel RV that
we used once. I occasionally still tow trailers ... the heaviest being a
loaded car trailer ... but I really don't need an F-350 to do that.

There's just nothing out there that has caught my eye. I'll avoid diesel
Fords until they permanently extinguish the tailpipe fires. (although I
understand that their new, 6.4L diesel is quite the performer.)

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Speaking of diesel trucks, one of my ex-pat retiree buddies, who lives in
Costa Rica, just bought for $18,000, a very nice four-seater Kia diesel
pickup truck. Not a model sold in this country.

I've been half thinking of trading in the F-350 on something else, but I
don't know what to get. I originally got it to tow a big, 5th wheel RV that
we used once. I occasionally still tow trailers ... the heaviest being a
loaded car trailer ... but I really don't need an F-350 to do that.

There's just nothing out there that has caught my eye. I'll avoid diesel
Fords until they permanently extinguish the tailpipe fires. (although I
understand that their new, 6.4L diesel is quite the performer.)

Eisboch




Tailpipe fires? You know, I don't really keep track of all these strange
happenings with ford diesel trucks. You sure seem to have had some
interesting happenings with that vehicle.

Maybe I should lower my standing offer of $1000 for that truck of yours...

That's $1000 cash...

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Tailpipe fires? You know, I don't really keep track of all these strange
happenings with ford diesel trucks. You sure seem to have had some
interesting happenings with that vehicle.

Maybe I should lower my standing offer of $1000 for that truck of yours...

That's $1000 cash...


The tailpipe fires are occurring on the new models equipped with the EPA
required particulate filter. Apparently the filters are routinely and
automatically heated to a very high temperature to burn off accumulated soot
or something. All new diesel powered trucks have this system ... GM and
Dodge included. In the case of Ford, there has already been a recall due
to documented cases of unburned fuel or something catching fire in the
filter and blowing flames out of the tailpipe. There's a You Tube video of
this happening somewhere on the 'net.

Eisboch

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"RJSmithers" wrote in message
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Whenever non-attorney's give you free advice, realize it is worth exactly
what you have paid for it.

You would not be responsible for any damages or have any more liability
than if someone stole your car and had an accident, even if it was a fatal
accident.


Probably, however Admiralty law is often different than common law. I am
not an expert, but it's something about prior liabilities follow the boat,
not the past owner. There was a case a few years back where the owner of a
boat had caused damage to a restricted sea grass area or reef or something.
He subsequently sold the boat. The environmental guys eventually tracked
the offending boat down and the new owner .... who knew nothing of the event
..... was held financially responsible. He fought it and got the fine
reduced considerably, but still had to pay something like 20K if I recall
the story correctly.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"RJSmithers" wrote in message
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Whenever non-attorney's give you free advice, realize it is worth exactly
what you have paid for it.

You would not be responsible for any damages or have any more liability
than if someone stole your car and had an accident, even if it was a
fatal accident.


Probably, however Admiralty law is often different than common law. I am
not an expert, but it's something about prior liabilities follow the boat,
not the past owner. There was a case a few years back where the owner of
a boat had caused damage to a restricted sea grass area or reef or
something. He subsequently sold the boat. The environmental guys
eventually tracked the offending boat down and the new owner .... who knew
nothing of the event .... was held financially responsible. He fought it
and got the fine reduced considerably, but still had to pay something like
20K if I recall the story correctly.


I wonder if things are different if the boat is USCG documented rather than
just registered with the state?

Isn't documentation akin to title insurance?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"RJSmithers" wrote in message
...


You would not be responsible for any damages or have any more liability
than if someone stole your car and had an accident, even if it was a
fatal accident.


Whenever non-attorney's give you free advice, realize it is worth exactly
what you have paid for it.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

Probably, however Admiralty law is often different than common law. I am
not an expert, but it's something about prior liabilities follow the
boat, not the past owner. There was a case a few years back where the
owner of a boat had caused damage to a restricted sea grass area or reef
or something. He subsequently sold the boat. The environmental guys
eventually tracked the offending boat down and the new owner .... who
knew nothing of the event .... was held financially responsible. He
fought it and got the fine reduced considerably, but still had to pay
something like 20K if I recall the story correctly.




I wonder if things are different if the boat is USCG documented rather
than just registered with the state?

Isn't documentation akin to title insurance?


I don't know. In the case I described the boat was a big one and I am sure
it was documented.

Eisboch

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I emailed the guy advertising "your" boat on Craig's List. I asked him
if it was the same rig with the exact same pictures that is advertised on
YachtWorld.com.

Funny thing, no reply. 8)


I also emailed him at the address he originally contacted me with.
Surprise ... no answer.
I have his phone number .... but what's the point .... what's done is
done. If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything
illegal. I think he was a bit dishonest and shady in the manner in which
he represented himself to me but I have to ask myself this:

If he had been up front and told me he was a dealer and intended to resell
the boat the boat, would it have made any difference to me? The answer is
no. He paid my asking price. I think the only thing that bugs me is the
fact that I think I was more honest in the description of the boat's
condition and history in the original listing and on the referenced link
to my website. On the other hand, he may perform all the service and
maintenance issues the boat and engine require before selling it.

One of the other interested parties that responded to my original listing
... in fact, the one who later discovered and informed me of the boat
being listed again on the Providence Craigslist made an offer to him.

He worded his offer as follows: "I'll give you 500 bucks more than what
you paid for it, $12,500."

Eisboch

Was he dishonest in his dealing with you, in my opinion no.

What gets me, his craigslist ad is very misleading and dishonest by
representing the boat he is selling by using pictures of another boat. Did
yours even have the ladder on the transom?

Just to be a pain in the rear I email the folks at yachtworld.com with the
link to the CraigsList ad. Someone in YW sales responded to me that they
would try to contact him.

Next time you have a deal like this, please let me know. 80

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On Mar 30, 6:26�am, "JimH" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:15:26 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

If he's a dealer, which I now suspect, he didn't do anything illegal.

There seems to be way more cloak-and dagger stuff going on here for
something not to be borderline crooked, if not entirely illegal.

Trust me, as a buyer, I got on the wrong end of one of these deals and
you don't want to go there.....

If he sells the boat (with whatever representations he deems
appropriate) and pulls a disappearing act, the two signers of the
paperwork are likely left to duke it out..... You and Whomever....

--

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Yep. *I would suggest that Richard head down to the brokers place ASAP and
force him to sign the title as the buyer.

An open title is never a good thing.- Hide quoted text -

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If the law in that state is the same as the law in Washington, (likely
so, they are pretty uniform) the dealer cannot be forced to sign the
title as buyer.

Dealer's "hold title" rather than "take title".

What Eisboch *should* do, if his state is like WA, is file a "Seller's
Report of Sale". This document goes into the Department of Licensing
and substantiates that the boat was sold on March XX, 2007 to Joe
Doaks. This can be critically important. Let's say that before the
ultimate buyer gets around to putting the title in his name he takes
the boat out for its maiden voyage, does some dumb newbie thing, and
badly injures somebody or worse.
Let's say he flees the scene. When the authorities start tacking down
the ownership of the boat, the last guy they find of record
is.......guess who. Not a pretty picture. It will probably cost as
much as the boat sold for to pay a lawyer to straigten the whole mess
out. Maybe more. If the Seller's Report of Sale is filed, the
authorities will find *that*, instead of Eisboch's title, as the last
activity. Very important.

It sounds like the guy wrote a personal check, or Eisboch would have
known that he sold to XYZ Boat Dealer. In most states, that's co-
mingling of personal and business funds. In some states that would
cost him his license. In a lot of states it is also illegal not to
disclose to a buyer or seller that you are a dealer or broker, but I
can't say in this case.

Tempting as it might be to "go after" this guy, remember that he
showed up as promised, paid the asking price without quibbling, and
that his check ultimately proved to be good at the bank. He did
business on the seller's terms all the way, and performed as promised.
It's no crime simply to be a dealer.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Speaking of diesel trucks, one of my ex-pat retiree buddies, who lives
in Costa Rica, just bought for $18,000, a very nice four-seater Kia
diesel pickup truck. Not a model sold in this country.

I've been half thinking of trading in the F-350 on something else, but I
don't know what to get. I originally got it to tow a big, 5th wheel RV
that we used once. I occasionally still tow trailers ... the heaviest
being a loaded car trailer ... but I really don't need an F-350 to do
that.

There's just nothing out there that has caught my eye. I'll avoid diesel
Fords until they permanently extinguish the tailpipe fires. (although I
understand that their new, 6.4L diesel is quite the performer.)

Eisboch


Tailpipe fires? You know, I don't really keep track of all these strange
happenings with ford diesel trucks. You sure seem to have had some
interesting happenings with that vehicle.

Maybe I should lower my standing offer of $1000 for that truck of yours...

That's $1000 cash...

Then you'll advertise in on craigslist.com for the true value. 8)

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
snip...
It's no crime simply to be a dealer.


Yes but...they are a shady bunch! ;-)