"Don White" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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At least yours dusted the house. When my car was vandalized right in my
driveway, I showed the cop a part of the radio mounting kit which could
only be removed by grabbing it in a way that guaranteed good contact for
fingerprints. He said "Wouldn't be much point in checking for prints
unless the thief had a prior arrest". And.....?


That's something like what the young cop said to me. he said since my van
had a textured steering wheel it wouldn't likely yield worthwhile prints.
Guess we're too hooked on NCIS, CIS Miami etc.
Cop said he could get the Ident Unit up, but I remembered a newspaper
story of them taking 3 or 4 days to show up for a house break-in.
We have a little drug gang style war going on.. with shootings, arson, the
odd killing etc.


Ah....your draconian gun control measures have been a big help. :-)

On Mar 14, 7:43 am, "Don White" wrote:

That's something like what the young cop said to me. he said since my van
had a textured steering wheel it wouldn't likely yield worthwhile prints.
Guess we're too hooked on NCIS, CIS Miami etc.

Actually the texture of the steering wheel is not the biggest problem
with lifting prints. The cumulative layers of skin oil/acids that are
added by each person who drives the car make it virtually impossible
to distinguish new prints from old, because they all blend into a
blob. Same problem with doorknobs, handles, any surface that's handled
frequently. Unless, of course, you carefully clean all surfaces each
time you or anyone else touches them. Yeah, right.

Yes, we all tend to believe WAY too much of what we see on TV.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Always tell the cops "If I find them before you do, you'd better have a
real strong stomach, officer, because all you're gonna find is a hand in
a zip lock bag".

Why should you be the only one nauseated? Share it.


Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and
the kids were in school.
They stole a TV, VCR/camera and some other misc. stuff.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our
statement, one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull****
and wished I had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever
happened again to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not
a gun) before I called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any
questions.

Eisboch


Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.

"JimH" wrote in message
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Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.


I am not going to divulge what we have for security in this house. I
wouldn't want to spoil the surprise.

It *is* pretty cool though and it's the first I've ever seen or heard of
one.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.


I am not going to divulge what we have for security in this house. I
wouldn't want to spoil the surprise.


Not the killer parakeets....tell me it's not that.

Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.


I am not going to divulge what we have for security in this house. I
wouldn't want to spoil the surprise.

It *is* pretty cool though and it's the first I've ever seen or heard of
one.

Eisboch




O.J. Simpson with a hunting knife?

Eisboch wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message
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Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.


I am not going to divulge what we have for security in this house. I
wouldn't want to spoil the surprise.

It *is* pretty cool though and it's the first I've ever seen or heard of
one.

Eisboch



Bambi?

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:36:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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Bummer! Have you seen this?
http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.


I am not going to divulge what we have for security in this house. I
wouldn't want to spoil the surprise.

It *is* pretty cool though and it's the first I've ever seen or heard of
one.

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One of these?

http://www.dutchguard.com/p-rex.html

All you need is something to wake up Sam Adams.

On Mar 14, 2:23�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Always tell the cops "If I find them before you do, you'd better have a
real strong stomach, officer, because all you're gonna find is a hand in
a zip lock bag".

Why should you be the only one nauseated? Share it.

Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and
the kids were in school.
They stole a TV, VCR/camera and some other misc. stuff.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our
statement, one of them asked me how it felt. *I told him I was bull****
and wished I had been at home when they broke in. *He told me if it ever
happened again to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not
a gun) before I called the police. *He said they wouldn't ask any
questions.

Eisboch

Bummer! * Have you seen this?http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. *We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And you are even more vulnerable if you have a "master key" system on
your door. A normal pin tumbler lock works very simply. When someone
attempts to turn the key, the core cylinder is prevented from
revolving by a series of pins that protrude from the outside cylinder
into the core cylinder. Each pin has an upper and lower section, and
the lengths will vary. The cuts on a key are designed to lift the
individual pins to a level where the separation between the upper and
lower pins lines up exactly with the intersection of the inner and
outer core.

Picking a lock is fairly easy. A small wrench inserted into the keyway
is used to sustain a moderate amount of torque on the inner cylinder
while a "pick" is inserted to raise the tumblers, one at a time, to
the point where the separation
in the pin meets the intersection of the inner and outer cylinders.
Since the tumbler holes are never drilled *exactly* straight, the
cylinder will normally shift just enough to keep the upper portion of
the pin from falling back through the intersection of the cylinders.

Always try to resist having a "master key" pin tumbler system if you
can.
Master keys work by using a greater number of sections for each
tumbler, thereby creating more opportunities for a split in the pin to
line up with the edge of the cylinder.

All these bumpers are doing is relying on the jarring impact of a
hammer, screwdriver, etc, to "bounce" the tumblers enough so that the
torque will turn the cylinder. Pretty primitive, but often effective.
I'm surprised that it took this long for the crooks to figure that one
out. :-)

Somewhat more on topic: Even notice how many $1mm boats are protected
by nothing more than a $20 padlock? And anybody that has ever been in
a marine related business very quickly realizes that most boats have a
"hideout" key that usually be found in one of 8-10 common locations
near the aft bulkhead door. It's amazing that we have as little theft
in marinas as we do.
Security gates may look impressive, but anybody with a $9.99 air
mattress can figure out how to get around the security gate at a
marina.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 14, 2:23?pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Always tell the cops "If I find them before you do, you'd better have a
real strong stomach, officer, because all you're gonna find is a hand
in
a zip lock bag".

Why should you be the only one nauseated? Share it.

Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and
the kids were in school.
They stole a TV, VCR/camera and some other misc. stuff.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our
statement, one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull****
and wished I had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever
happened again to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but
not
a gun) before I called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any
questions.

Eisboch

Bummer! Have you seen
this?http://webjunk.tv/archives/2007/02/n...ck_bumping.php

Just when you thought you were safe locking your doors. We have an alarm
system so we will not be changing our locks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And you are even more vulnerable if you have a "master key" system on
your door. A normal pin tumbler lock works very simply. When someone
attempts to turn the key, the core cylinder is prevented from
revolving by a series of pins that protrude from the outside cylinder
into the core cylinder. Each pin has an upper and lower section, and
the lengths will vary. The cuts on a key are designed to lift the
individual pins to a level where the separation between the upper and
lower pins lines up exactly with the intersection of the inner and
outer core.

Picking a lock is fairly easy. A small wrench inserted into the keyway
is used to sustain a moderate amount of torque on the inner cylinder
while a "pick" is inserted to raise the tumblers, one at a time, to
the point where the separation
in the pin meets the intersection of the inner and outer cylinders.
Since the tumbler holes are never drilled *exactly* straight, the
cylinder will normally shift just enough to keep the upper portion of
the pin from falling back through the intersection of the cylinders.

Always try to resist having a "master key" pin tumbler system if you
can.
Master keys work by using a greater number of sections for each
tumbler, thereby creating more opportunities for a split in the pin to
line up with the edge of the cylinder.

All these bumpers are doing is relying on the jarring impact of a
hammer, screwdriver, etc, to "bounce" the tumblers enough so that the
torque will turn the cylinder. Pretty primitive, but often effective.
I'm surprised that it took this long for the crooks to figure that one
out. :-)

Somewhat more on topic: Even notice how many $1mm boats are protected
by nothing more than a $20 padlock? And anybody that has ever been in
a marine related business very quickly realizes that most boats have a
"hideout" key that usually be found in one of 8-10 common locations
near the aft bulkhead door. It's amazing that we have as little theft
in marinas as we do.
Security gates may look impressive, but anybody with a $9.99 air
mattress can figure out how to get around the security gate at a
marina.

============

Good advice! ;-)