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"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.


You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.

A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.

--Vic

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
.. .
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
. ..
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
m...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or
so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and
often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.


BLAM!!!!

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and
the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our
statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened
again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before
I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.

A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.


This is the way pirates were handled here in the good old days... maybe we
should bring it back.
http://beej.us/pirates/pirate_view.p...e=kiddeath.gif

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:27:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
om...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or
so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and
often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.

BLAM!!!!

The cynic never has to live with disappointment because being a
professional doubter has great appeal to that enlightened portion of
humanity like yourself which finds comfort in detesting the rest of
the species for whatever reason appeals to you.

The fact that you used an example from Christian symbology only shows
how perfect the above statement is.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:27:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
news:nuniv2lqfs73d8n4onqrvfo0oi64cvbfe6@4ax. com...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of
one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or
so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and
often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.

BLAM!!!!

The cynic never has to live with disappointment because being a
professional doubter has great appeal to that enlightened portion of
humanity like yourself which finds comfort in detesting the rest of
the species for whatever reason appeals to you.

The fact that you used an example from Christian symbology only shows
how perfect the above statement is.


Detesting? I gave you a link to some nut who thinks he is Jesus Christ. As
far as other examples of briefly lived home brewed religions, there are
loads of examples, some of which end tragically.

Just because some people like religion and what it has done for them, this
doesn't mean that the other examples do not exist. If there are fish here
where I live, does it mean there are NO fish where you live, or are the two
things independent of one another?

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

Unless you're willing to kill the kid for stealing your car stereo,
you might be better off not shooting at him at all.

But if you do, drag his sorry ass back into the house and lay him up with a
weapon in hand.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:52:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:27:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
news:nuniv2lqfs73d8n4onqrvfo0oi64cvbfe6@4ax .com...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of
one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or
so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and
often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.

BLAM!!!!

The cynic never has to live with disappointment because being a
professional doubter has great appeal to that enlightened portion of
humanity like yourself which finds comfort in detesting the rest of
the species for whatever reason appeals to you.

The fact that you used an example from Christian symbology only shows
how perfect the above statement is.


Detesting? I gave you a link to some nut who thinks he is Jesus Christ. As
far as other examples of briefly lived home brewed religions, there are
loads of examples, some of which end tragically.

Just because some people like religion and what it has done for them, this
doesn't mean that the other examples do not exist. If there are fish here
where I live, does it mean there are NO fish where you live, or are the two
things independent of one another?

The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement.

True cynics believe themselves enlightened by virtue of education and
the ability to comprehend the nuance and true nature of any social
issue or attribute. This peculiarity of purpose - to proselytize the
naked truth to the masses - is the signature attribute of fourth tier
leaders, courtiers and second-year college students whose main issue
in life is to appear worldly as being naive to a cynic is admitting
personal faults.

Cynics become empowered out of the inevitable distance between ideals
and reality - the cynic misidentifies sarcasm as wisdom. At their very
core, cynics are resigned to the defeatist attitude that nothing can
really change for the better, that everthing is relative, that the
common good can only be made better if all lived as the cynic does.

You are the very archetype.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:52:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:27:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
news:23riv2516hbm7vq9mnik2m1mdqf0a4h3p2@4ax. com...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Duke Nukem" wrote in message
news:nuniv2lqfs73d8n4onqrvfo0oi64cvbfe6@4a x.com...
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of
one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray
paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day
or
so.

My kind of solution. Although I would add that impalement would be
a
much better choice.

You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and
become
rich
beyond your wildest dreams.

The one element about you which constantly fascinates me is your
fustian discourse on completely off-the-cuff commentary moving from
the land of the obviously absurd to the land of semi-relevance.

It's not enough to add to or merely let something pass; you have to
connect to a greater idea. It's almost as if your psyche has to
prove
a point and thus reveal your view of the world for all to see.

"Tis a curiosity.

I'm simply pointing out that odd religious phenomenon are popular and
often
successful. Why....look! Here's one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

Game. Set. Match.

BLAM!!!!

The cynic never has to live with disappointment because being a
professional doubter has great appeal to that enlightened portion of
humanity like yourself which finds comfort in detesting the rest of
the species for whatever reason appeals to you.

The fact that you used an example from Christian symbology only shows
how perfect the above statement is.


Detesting? I gave you a link to some nut who thinks he is Jesus Christ. As
far as other examples of briefly lived home brewed religions, there are
loads of examples, some of which end tragically.

Just because some people like religion and what it has done for them, this
doesn't mean that the other examples do not exist. If there are fish here
where I live, does it mean there are NO fish where you live, or are the
two
things independent of one another?

The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement.

True cynics believe themselves enlightened by virtue of education and
the ability to comprehend the nuance and true nature of any social
issue or attribute. This peculiarity of purpose - to proselytize the
naked truth to the masses - is the signature attribute of fourth tier
leaders, courtiers and second-year college students whose main issue
in life is to appear worldly as being naive to a cynic is admitting
personal faults.

Cynics become empowered out of the inevitable distance between ideals
and reality - the cynic misidentifies sarcasm as wisdom. At their very
core, cynics are resigned to the defeatist attitude that nothing can
really change for the better, that everthing is relative, that the
common good can only be made better if all lived as the cynic does.

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...

snipped the really good stuff

You are the very archetype.



Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

Is this going to be a two-part or a three-part quiz?

(nicely done, Tom,)

Eisboch

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."


But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:27:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...

snipped the really good stuff

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

Is this going to be a two-part or a three-part quiz?

If Doug follows true to form it will be become an orgy of whirling
electrons flashing back and forth between news servers in a never
ending cycle of point/counter point - a perpetual never ending
discussion solving nothing and giving me a huge headache..

Sadly, I'm about all intellecutalized out - the muse is fading.

(nicely done, Tom,)

Thanks. I knew those courses in Philosophical Anthropology would come
in handy some day. Of course it took nigh onto 40 years to finally
put it to use, but....

Anybody up for a game of Go Fish? :)

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

basskisser wrote:
On Mar 14, 8:08 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Speaking of theft, what do you think would be appropriate punishment for
the guy that smacked the 100+ year old lady, fractured her cheek bone and
robbed her of 33 bucks?

I understand they have a massive manhunt, including many vigilantes, on the
search for him.

Eisboch

Locked in a room for one hour with me.

IMHO Put him in a room with that 70+ year old marine who killed the
20 something kid in Central America!
That'll show him who's boss!!


Fredo

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
m...

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)


Why? Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)? These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
om...

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values (yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
news:ev7jv2lklduhgbto90kdqfviebuv7m756s@4ax. com...

You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:51:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

I never said there was.

Keep on keeping on - that's what makes you you.

And now, I shall retire from the field of virtual discourse.

Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)

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Vic Smith wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.
A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.

Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:51:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:39:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:49:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:14:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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You are the very archetype.

Give me an example of the "collective values" you think I'm
questioning -
the ones which generated your comments.

"You could impale them on a crucifix, open your own church, and
become
rich beyond your wildest dreams."

But, the guy from Houston, who thinks he's Jesus - is it OK for me to
be
cynical about him?

That's not my decision. :)

Why?

Because I'm not you.

Because he's not part of the officially sanctioned collective values
(yet)?
These collective values have no inherent legitimacy apart from the
numbers of people who adhere to them.

Alloow me to recap:

"The embodiment of a cynic is a negative form of aggressive
individualism; the constant questioning of collective values,
standards of collective decency, institutional rules. The cynic uses
singular exceptions of deviance prove that any embodiment of social
structure fail the test of rational judgement."

Not recap. Re-paste. Two can play this game:

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect."
-Mark Twain

There's nothing wrong with being a cynic. Collective values are not always
valid.

I never said there was.

Keep on keeping on - that's what makes you you.

And now, I shall retire from the field of virtual discourse.

Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)


I have no interest in winning (see below). And, you are a pain in the ass,
and I mean that in a good way. :-)

In the center of the screen on my son's XP account: "Arguing on the
internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're
retarded."

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:11:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
.. .

Consider yourself to have won the day if it suits you. :)

I have no interest in winning (see below). And, you are a pain in the ass,
and I mean that in a good way. :-)

I live to serve.

In the center of the screen on my son's XP account: "Arguing on the
internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're
retarded."

ROTFL!!!

10-4.

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RJSmithers wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:19?pm, "Don White" wrote:

Woke up this morning at 0630 and looked out the window. Voyager
mini-van not
where it was at 0130hrs.
At first I thought my son had gone for an all-nighter until I saw
the tell
tale broken glass. While I was on the phone to the police, my wife
came back

from walking the dog to tell me she found the van around the corner
with

the
engine still running. ?I went over and sure enough, the driver
window was
smashed out with glass all over my seat. ?The ignition was ripped
out, and
the radio cd player gone. ?Took almost an hour for the police to
show up.
He did his report and I drove the van directly to the closest Chrysler
dealership (walking distance). ?Still have collision/comprehensive
on the
vehicle so I now have a rental while the van is made whole again.
My deductable on this is $100.00.


a thousand dollars in damages, and went half way around the block.

Well a couple weekeds ago some little locals decided to bust out the
windows on the back of my shop. 8 of them. about 800$ worth of (now)
plexiglass and labor. I'm also going to put industiral screening over
them. I hate to make the building look "Ghetto" but I don't know what
else to do.

Of course, If I caught one doing the damage, I'd be the one going to
jail.

The police just looked at the damage and shook their heads.

Do you have a security system? I'm in a "good" area but I still have
full perimeter coverage will a few motion detectors in case someone
would want to try to cut through a door rather than forcing it open.
I also have one camera that can pick up the largest area. I have
$550K in inventory right now so the ADT security system alone saves
me more than I pay for it in insurance premiums.

Dan


Being a former design engineer for a security products supplier, I do
know about security systems. Bad dog is still the best!

Is "Bad Dog' a national franchise? ;)

Might be. They're in FL. I don't have a yard to protect, just a
warehouse so I can do without a "bad" dog.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 14 Mar 2007 19:17:21 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


Jack Redington wrote:


He is Innocent, in the eyes of the law a court made that declaration.
Now did he do it, welllll.

Capt Jack R..

Innocent of "Murder?" YES! (according to the law)


Not guilty. Innocent isn't a legal concept as I understand it.


Guilty of "Wrongful death"? YES! (according to the law)


Different standard of proof between criminal and civil courts.


I'm still trying to figure that one out.


See above.

I can accept that - I stand corrected..

Capt Jack R..

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:01:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.
It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."

Who said anything about a BB gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr. jacketed
hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

Well, a pellet gun *is* better I guess. Had one myself.
I'd probably stare the guy down with my piece and tell him,
"This here's the .22 Crossman, the most powerful pellet gun ever made.

Who said anything about a pellet gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr.
jacketed hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

It'll blow your earlobe clean off. So go ahead, make my day!"
The Brits probably have better than the Crossman I had.
Rifling made it accurate, but I doubt it would get through bone, skull
or ribs.

The Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 in .45 cal has rifling, it helps the bullet
blow your head nearly clean off.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.
Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.
Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

Sure, sure. Same for litterers and the punks who spill oil and
anti-freeze on the ground.

The question you have to ask is are you willing to die for your art?

Don't even get me started on dog**** and PWC's.

PWC's are targets!

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:01:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:


I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."
Well, a pellet gun *is* better I guess. Had one myself.
I'd probably stare the guy down with my piece and tell him,
"This here's the .22 Crossman, the most powerful pellet gun ever made.
It'll blow your earlobe clean off. So go ahead, make my day!"
The Brits probably have better than the Crossman I had.
Rifling made it accurate, but I doubt it would get through bone, skull
or ribs.

One of the problems in my corner of reality is grafitti. The
consensus is that the only way to stop it is to smash the skull of one
of them and leave the vandal's body, holding the can of spray paint
and laying under the half-finished vandalism, to rot for a day or so.

Outside of what you're saying, I've heard the only solution is to
quickly remove or paint over graffiti. Ugly stuff.

Dead graffitist's body in front of their half completed work is better.

Sure, sure. Same for litterers and the punks who spill oil and
anti-freeze on the ground.
Don't even get me started on dog**** and PWC's.

--Vic

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:34:48 -0400, BAR wrote:

Yeah, but who fires a warning shot with a BB gun? Probably make the
perp laugh as slams a chair on your head while you're pumping up that
Daisy for the "kill shot."

Who said anything about a BB gun? I'm talking about a 180 gr. jacketed
hollow point coming from a Colt Model 1911 Mk 80 .45 cal.

Original unclipped below. That'll teach me about clipping.
Would you fire a warning shot into the ceiling with a pellet gun?
Didn't think so.

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On 15 Mar 2007 07:06:44 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 14, 8:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Our house was broken into back in the mid-80's while we were at work and the
kids were in school.

When the cops arrived and were dusting for prints and taking our statement,
one of them asked me how it felt. I told him I was bull**** and wished I
had been at home when they broke in. He told me if it ever happened again
to use a baseball bat or a 2x4 cut in half on them (but not a gun) before I
called the police. He said they wouldn't ask any questions.
A British friend told me about his break-in, about a year ago. Same
sort of losses, and the same sort of investigation. But his local
constable told him to shoot the burglar if he caught one! It seems
that many Britons have replaced their rifles with "pellet guns," and
that was the weapon the officer was talking about. The officer said
shoot the bad guy, then put a pellet in the ceiling, and then call
999.

I thought that shoot a round into the ceiling stuff is only for
setting up a self-defense scenario where the other guy is already
dead. And that's with real guns.

You:
It is the warning shot. Can you tell which shot hit the guy first,
neither will the cops?

--Vic

Miserable %^$&%^ punks!
 

Don't even get me started on dog**** and PWC's.

PWC's are targets!

That reminds me of one of my all-time favorite threads.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...4d02 33888fbd

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On 15 Mar 2007 04:43:42 -0700, "wingspan"
wrote:

On Mar 14, 7:43 am, "Don White" wrote:

That's something like what the young cop said to me. he said since my
van
had a textured steering wheel it wouldn't likely yield worthwhile
prints.
Guess we're too hooked on NCIS, CIS Miami etc.

Actually the texture of the steering wheel is not the biggest problem
with lifting prints. The cumulative layers of skin oil/acids that are
added by each person who drives the car make it virtually impossible
to distinguish new prints from old, because they all blend into a
blob. Same problem with doorknobs, handles, any surface that's handled
frequently. Unless, of course, you carefully clean all surfaces each
time you or anyone else touches them. Yeah, right.

Yes, we all tend to believe WAY too much of what we see on TV.

Bloodhounds.

Buddy with a collector baby La Salle had some kids break into his commercial
garage one time years ago. They could see the finger and hand prints on the
La Salle, but so much wax polished to a mirror finish and they could not
lift the prints.

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CalifBill wrote:



Buddy with a collector baby La Salle had some kids break into his commercial
garage one time years ago. They could see the finger and hand prints on the
La Salle, but so much wax polished to a mirror finish and they could not
lift the prints.



Wouldn't that make it easier to get good fingerprints?

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"Dan" wrote in message
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CalifBill wrote:



Buddy with a collector baby La Salle had some kids break into his
commercial garage one time years ago. They could see the finger and hand
prints on the La Salle, but so much wax polished to a mirror finish and
they could not lift the prints.

Wouldn't that make it easier to get good fingerprints?

Just would not come off with the dusting. Either the dust did not stick or
the stuck to everything.