"Dan" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I don't care what anybody says.

Work sucks.

Eisboch (retired and lovin' it)




I always thought that, too until I opened my own business. Now I don't
see it like work and look forward to going to the office.

I would agree with that ... to a point. I enjoyed working when I had a
company. But, over the years it changed. I found myself growing
increasingly impatient dealing with the BS and politics of large company
customers and the revolving door parade of young, aggressive engineers,
middle management purchasing people or contract specialists that worked for
the large companies, all trying to prove their worth to climb the corporate
ladder. The concept of a mutually beneficial contract has been lost over
the years, replaced with a requirement of having to play constant defense to
protect your company's interests. I grew very tired of it.

My fondest memories are of working with some of the older, seasoned
management representatives of the big companies that had been around for 20
or 30 years. They understood that a contract and project had to be good to
both parties and worked to make it so.

I feel badly for people that have to put up with the mentality exhibited
more and more today in the corporate world. There are still a few really
decent companies with old school cultures, but they are becoming a vanishing
breed.

Eisboch

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:51:16 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I don't care what anybody says.

Work sucks.

Eisboch (retired and lovin' it)




I always thought that, too until I opened my own business. Now I don't
see it like work and look forward to going to the office.

I would agree with that ... to a point. I enjoyed working when I had a
company. But, over the years it changed. I found myself growing
increasingly impatient dealing with the BS and politics of large company
customers and the revolving door parade of young, aggressive engineers,
middle management purchasing people or contract specialists that worked for
the large companies, all trying to prove their worth to climb the corporate
ladder. The concept of a mutually beneficial contract has been lost over
the years, replaced with a requirement of having to play constant defense to
protect your company's interests. I grew very tired of it.

My fondest memories are of working with some of the older, seasoned
management representatives of the big companies that had been around for 20
or 30 years. They understood that a contract and project had to be good to
both parties and worked to make it so.

I feel badly for people that have to put up with the mentality exhibited
more and more today in the corporate world. There are still a few really
decent companies with old school cultures, but they are becoming a vanishing
breed.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Eisboch wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...


Eisboch wrote:

I don't care what anybody says.

Work sucks.

Eisboch (retired and lovin' it)




I always thought that, too until I opened my own business. Now I don't
see it like work and look forward to going to the office.


I would agree with that ... to a point. I enjoyed working when I had a
company. But, over the years it changed. I found myself growing
increasingly impatient dealing with the BS and politics of large company
customers and the revolving door parade of young, aggressive engineers,
middle management purchasing people or contract specialists that worked for
the large companies, all trying to prove their worth to climb the corporate
ladder. The concept of a mutually beneficial contract has been lost over
the years, replaced with a requirement of having to play constant defense to
protect your company's interests. I grew very tired of it.

My fondest memories are of working with some of the older, seasoned
management representatives of the big companies that had been around for 20
or 30 years. They understood that a contract and project had to be good to
both parties and worked to make it so.

I feel badly for people that have to put up with the mentality exhibited
more and more today in the corporate world. There are still a few really
decent companies with old school cultures, but they are becoming a vanishing
breed.

Eisboch




I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with 13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan

"Dan" wrote in message
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I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with 13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan


Not that different. Mine was (is) a small business, a bit larger than
yours, but still under 50 employees.

My problem wasn't with the size of the company. It was, and still is, a
close knit group of talented and dedicated people. It was dealing with
the big boys that started driving me nuts. The bulk of our contracts come
from large companies .... usually (but not always) military or DOD primes.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...


I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with 13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan



Not that different. Mine was (is) a small business, a bit larger than
yours, but still under 50 employees.

My problem wasn't with the size of the company. It was, and still is, a
close knit group of talented and dedicated people. It was dealing with
the big boys that started driving me nuts. The bulk of our contracts come
from large companies .... usually (but not always) military or DOD primes.

Eisboch



We deal with building contractors and subs. We drink, fish, eat, and
socialize with them often. They are regular people - not the suit and
tie types. Several are multi-millionaires but they are still regular
people. No politics or appointments with the guy on the 10th floor. I
got an invitation to an Easter party from our #5 customer today. They
are good people that appreciate honest service.

Dan

Dan wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...


I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with 13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan



Not that different. Mine was (is) a small business, a bit larger than
yours, but still under 50 employees.

My problem wasn't with the size of the company. It was, and still is, a
close knit group of talented and dedicated people. It was dealing with
the big boys that started driving me nuts. The bulk of our contracts come
from large companies .... usually (but not always) military or DOD primes.

Eisboch



We deal with building contractors and subs. We drink, fish, eat, and
socialize with them often. They are regular people - not the suit and
tie types. Several are multi-millionaires but they are still regular
people. No politics or appointments with the guy on the 10th floor. I
got an invitation to an Easter party from our #5 customer today. They
are good people that appreciate honest service.

Dan

Compared to you gentlemen, my buisness is microscopic.

I have three employees.

me, myself, and I.


And I like it that way, and I do "all right"

On 14 Mar 2007 19:09:16 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


Dan wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...


I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with 13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan



Not that different. Mine was (is) a small business, a bit larger than
yours, but still under 50 employees.

My problem wasn't with the size of the company. It was, and still is, a
close knit group of talented and dedicated people. It was dealing with
the big boys that started driving me nuts. The bulk of our contracts come
from large companies .... usually (but not always) military or DOD primes.

Eisboch



We deal with building contractors and subs. We drink, fish, eat, and
socialize with them often. They are regular people - not the suit and
tie types. Several are multi-millionaires but they are still regular
people. No politics or appointments with the guy on the 10th floor. I
got an invitation to an Easter party from our #5 customer today. They
are good people that appreciate honest service.

Compared to you gentlemen, my buisness is microscopic.

I have three employees.

me, myself, and I.

And I like it that way, and I do "all right"

And nothing wrong with that either. There several tradsmen around
here who are one man operations and they do quite well for themselves.
Couple of them are expert welders/metal workers and the rest are all
custom cabinet makers, furniture makers - stuff like that.

The only time I worked for my self was when I retired and did some
consulting in areas where I have some expertise. That got old quick
and go tto the point where I demanded 75% of the fee up front.

I won't get into why. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 14 Mar 2007 19:09:16 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


Dan wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...


I have a very different business. Only $6MM in sales last year with
13
employees. I've resisted the urge to grow too quickly - that's when
things get out of hand.

Dan



Not that different. Mine was (is) a small business, a bit larger than
yours, but still under 50 employees.

My problem wasn't with the size of the company. It was, and still is,
a
close knit group of talented and dedicated people. It was dealing
with
the big boys that started driving me nuts. The bulk of our contracts
come
from large companies .... usually (but not always) military or DOD
primes.

Eisboch



We deal with building contractors and subs. We drink, fish, eat, and
socialize with them often. They are regular people - not the suit and
tie types. Several are multi-millionaires but they are still regular
people. No politics or appointments with the guy on the 10th floor. I
got an invitation to an Easter party from our #5 customer today. They
are good people that appreciate honest service.

Compared to you gentlemen, my buisness is microscopic.

I have three employees.

me, myself, and I.

And I like it that way, and I do "all right"

And nothing wrong with that either. There several tradsmen around
here who are one man operations and they do quite well for themselves.
Couple of them are expert welders/metal workers and the rest are all
custom cabinet makers, furniture makers - stuff like that.

The only time I worked for my self was when I retired and did some
consulting in areas where I have some expertise. That got old quick
and go tto the point where I demanded 75% of the fee up front.

I won't get into why. :)

Consulting is quite easy. All you have to do is tell the client what they
want to hear and they are very happy. 8)