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Birth of a Boat
I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1
is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Interesting pedigree for this boat; the three partners in the company were all in upper management positions of Nordic Tug (in fact, one was the president for several years). Five of these boats have already been sold, and the first one hasn't been completed. They hope to have the first boat launched in time to have it in Seattle for Opening Day, May 5. The wonders of compter assisted design never cease to amaze me. In one corner of the plant there's a guy building wiring harnesses. Every single wire is labeled, of course, and they are all precut to the exact length they will need to be and have the appropriate connectors installed. Using the 3D images on the computer screen, they know how each wire will route, what side of a system or accessory it will connect to, etc. The guy building the harnesses admitted that there could be some risk in putting together wires for a hull that hasn't yet been assembled. "We could be off by as much a 1/1000th of an inch," he said. :-) One thing that I thought was notable, some of the infusion molds make as many as 9 parts at once. For example, there are some cutouts in the form used for the cabintop above the pilothouse. Rather than mold around the "hole", a small part is built into the mold and included in the infusion matrix. In one case, the cover for a grey water tank was being created in what would have been a wasted "space" in the old days- and there would have been additional expense for laying up the small part as a separate item. I always enjoy watching boats being built. Couldn't do it for a living, the fiberglass smell drives me nuts within short order. The new infusion processes seem to have radically reduced the amount of fumes in the air- but there are still more than I'd care to breathe on a regular basis. The systems and materials chosen for this vessel inspire confidence that it will be a pretty good boat when finished. The experience of the partners and their key employees (mostly lured away from guess who) also bodes well for the Fathom 40. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Interesting pedigree for this boat; the three partners in the company were all in upper management positions of Nordic Tug (in fact, one was the president for several years). Five of these boats have already been sold, and the first one hasn't been completed. They hope to have the first boat launched in time to have it in Seattle for Opening Day, May 5. The wonders of compter assisted design never cease to amaze me. In one corner of the plant there's a guy building wiring harnesses. Every single wire is labeled, of course, and they are all precut to the exact length they will need to be and have the appropriate connectors installed. Using the 3D images on the computer screen, they know how each wire will route, what side of a system or accessory it will connect to, etc. The guy building the harnesses admitted that there could be some risk in putting together wires for a hull that hasn't yet been assembled. "We could be off by as much a 1/1000th of an inch," he said. :-) One thing that I thought was notable, some of the infusion molds make as many as 9 parts at once. For example, there are some cutouts in the form used for the cabintop above the pilothouse. Rather than mold around the "hole", a small part is built into the mold and included in the infusion matrix. In one case, the cover for a grey water tank was being created in what would have been a wasted "space" in the old days- and there would have been additional expense for laying up the small part as a separate item. I always enjoy watching boats being built. Couldn't do it for a living, the fiberglass smell drives me nuts within short order. The new infusion processes seem to have radically reduced the amount of fumes in the air- but there are still more than I'd care to breathe on a regular basis. The systems and materials chosen for this vessel inspire confidence that it will be a pretty good boat when finished. The experience of the partners and their key employees (mostly lured away from guess who) also bodes well for the Fathom 40. Is this the one designed by George C Marshall? Thanks, Dan |
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"Danlw" wrote in message . .. "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Interesting pedigree for this boat; the three partners in the company were all in upper management positions of Nordic Tug (in fact, one was the president for several years). Five of these boats have already been sold, and the first one hasn't been completed. They hope to have the first boat launched in time to have it in Seattle for Opening Day, May 5. The wonders of compter assisted design never cease to amaze me. In one corner of the plant there's a guy building wiring harnesses. Every single wire is labeled, of course, and they are all precut to the exact length they will need to be and have the appropriate connectors installed. Using the 3D images on the computer screen, they know how each wire will route, what side of a system or accessory it will connect to, etc. The guy building the harnesses admitted that there could be some risk in putting together wires for a hull that hasn't yet been assembled. "We could be off by as much a 1/1000th of an inch," he said. :-) One thing that I thought was notable, some of the infusion molds make as many as 9 parts at once. For example, there are some cutouts in the form used for the cabintop above the pilothouse. Rather than mold around the "hole", a small part is built into the mold and included in the infusion matrix. In one case, the cover for a grey water tank was being created in what would have been a wasted "space" in the old days- and there would have been additional expense for laying up the small part as a separate item. I always enjoy watching boats being built. Couldn't do it for a living, the fiberglass smell drives me nuts within short order. The new infusion processes seem to have radically reduced the amount of fumes in the air- but there are still more than I'd care to breathe on a regular basis. The systems and materials chosen for this vessel inspire confidence that it will be a pretty good boat when finished. The experience of the partners and their key employees (mostly lured away from guess who) also bodes well for the Fathom 40. Is this the one designed by George C Marshall? Thanks, Dan Make that Greg, not George. Dan |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Another glowing assessment of a boat by Chuck. How lucky you are to observe hundreds of boats with no flaws. ;-) Heck, if one did not know better one might otherwise think your *review* is a shameless advertisement for Fathom boats. Ka Ching! |
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On Mar 8, 6:47�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Another glowing assessment of a boat by Chuck. * How lucky you are to observe hundreds of boats with no flaws. *;-) Heck, if one did not know better one might otherwise think your *review* is a shameless advertisement for Fathom boats. Ka Ching! If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) |
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On Mar 8, 6:03�pm, "Danlw" wrote:
"Danlw" wrote in message . .. "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Interesting pedigree for this boat; the three partners in the company were all in upper management positions of Nordic Tug (in fact, one was the president for several years). Five of these boats have already been sold, and the first one hasn't been completed. They hope to have the first boat launched in time to have it in Seattle for Opening Day, May 5. The wonders of compter assisted design never cease to amaze me. In one corner of the plant there's a guy building wiring harnesses. Every single wire is labeled, of course, and they are all precut to the exact length they will need to be and have the appropriate connectors installed. Using the 3D images on the computer screen, they know how each wire will route, what side of a system or accessory it will connect to, etc. The guy building the harnesses admitted that there could be some risk in putting together wires for a hull that hasn't yet been assembled. "We could be off by as much a 1/1000th of an inch," he said. :-) One thing that I thought was notable, some of the infusion molds make as many as 9 parts at once. For example, there are some cutouts in the form used for the cabintop above the pilothouse. Rather than mold around the *"hole", a small part is built into the mold and included in the infusion matrix. In one case, the cover for a grey water tank was being created in what would have been a wasted "space" in the old days- and there would have been additional expense for laying up the small part as a separate item. I always enjoy watching boats being built. Couldn't do it for a living, the fiberglass smell drives me nuts within short order. The new infusion processes seem to have radically reduced the amount of fumes in the air- but there are still more than I'd care to breathe on a regular basis. The systems and materials chosen for this vessel inspire confidence that it will be a pretty good boat when finished. The experience of the partners and their key employees (mostly lured away from guess who) also bodes well for the Fathom 40. Is this the one designed by George C Marshall? Thanks, Dan Make that Greg, not George. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is. Ric Reid, (former president of Nordic Tug), told me that Greg had the design together within just a few days of accepting the contract. "We're pretty sure he'd been working on this concept for the last few years as a kind of designer's pet project," he said. Some unusual aspects: There's no skeg. The theory is that the prop wash against the skeg increases vibration. The prop is protected by virtue of the fact that the keel extends down below the blades. There is stand-up headroom on the port side of the engine room. The molding for the main deck has a raised settee above the port side of the engine room, and that creates the necessary vertical clearance. Stand-up room in portion of the engine room is quite a feat on most 40- footers.. The hull is a split mold, and will be cored above the waterline. Darn nearly everything will be infusion molded. More info: http://fathomyachts.com/ |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:47�pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Another glowing assessment of a boat by Chuck. � How lucky you are to observe hundreds of boats with no flaws. �;-) Heck, if one did not know better one might otherwise think your *review* is a shameless advertisement for Fathom boats. Ka Ching! If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) One would definitely have to be dumber than a barnacle to think anyone would pay someone to make a post in rec.boats. |
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:47:30 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Another glowing assessment of a boat by Chuck. How lucky you are to observe hundreds of boats with no flaws. ;-) Heck, if one did not know better one might otherwise think your *review* is a shameless advertisement for Fathom boats. Ka Ching! Maybe it would be better if you wrote about boats, Jim. You obviously know a lot more than Chuck does, and you're surely much more trustworthy. Go for it! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Another glowing assessment of a boat by Chuck. How lucky you are to observe hundreds of boats with no flaws. ;-) Heck, if one did not know better one might otherwise think your *review* is a shameless advertisement for Fathom boats. Ka Ching! If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote:
On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:35:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. Everybody's a critic. :) |
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On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I would assume their is a real knack to write an magazine article that is interesting enough to get people to pick up the magazine, and meets the number of words you need to fill out the space available for the article. I find your articles as good as any I have seen in any boating mags, they are better than many I have read. PS - Can you send me my commission check for keeping this thread running in rec.boats? You were late on last months commission check. It is common knowledge that boat mfg'ers will pay mega bucks to have a magazine article reprinted posted in rec.boats. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I didn't suggest your writing was like Hemingway's, or that it should be. I suggested you read some of his writings so that you might learn a bit about saying more with less. He was the master of that. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:35:06 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. Everybody's a critic. :) Purple prose is painful. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:10:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:35:06 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. Everybody's a critic. :) Purple prose is painful. Purple is painful. :) |
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On 9 Mar 2007 07:52:53 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I enjoy the articles very much, but I often find myself drifting off for some reason. Probably early onset of Old Timer's Disease.. :) |
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On Mar 9, 8:05�am, RJSmithers
wrote: PS - Can you send me my commission check for keeping this thread running in rec.boats? *You were late on last months commission check. *It is common knowledge that boat mfg'ers will pay mega bucks to have a magazine article reprinted posted in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Right away. Check for $1,500,000 is enroute. I was late last month because the Bank of Monopoly got my address confused. They thought I still lived on St. James Place and my new supply of checks was delayed in arriving at my new digs, (the dumpster out back of the Electric Company). |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:05:00 -0500, RJSmithers
wrote: PS - Can you send me my commission check for keeping this thread running in rec.boats? You were late on last months commission check. It is common knowledge that boat mfg'ers will pay mega bucks to have a magazine article reprinted posted in rec.boats. Check's in the mail. |
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On 9 Mar 2007 07:28:02 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) If your apologies are a dime a dozen, a few wouldn't hurt. I've a feeling they may be worth a little more than that, however. You've surely done nothing warranting a *real* apology! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:35:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. Perhaps he should call a few names also, Harry? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:07:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I didn't suggest your writing was like Hemingway's, or that it should be. I suggested you read some of his writings so that you might learn a bit about saying more with less. He was the master of that. Harry, it's so strange how your appreciation of Chuck's writing has changed since the political fighting in the group has gone down! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Mar 9, 8:47?am, JLH wrote:
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:07:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I didn't suggest your writing was like Hemingway's, or that it should be. I suggested you read some of his writings so that you might learn a bit about saying more with less. He was the master of that. Harry, it's so strange how your appreciation of Chuck's writing has changed since the political fighting in the group has gone down! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Actually, Harry is partially correct. A lot of what appears here is sort of a "stream of consciousness" format. I don't edit, spell check, etc and some of the sentences run on far too long. It's a tendency I struggle with in things that actually matter, but the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. |
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On 9 Mar 2007 08:43:36 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Mar 9, 8:05?am, RJSmithers wrote: PS - Can you send me my commission check for keeping this thread running in rec.boats? ou were late on last months commission check. t is common knowledge that boat mfg'ers will pay mega bucks to have a magazine article reprinted posted in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Right away. Check for $1,500,000 is enroute. I was late last month because the Bank of Monopoly got my address confused. They thought I still lived on St. James Place and my new supply of checks was delayed in arriving at my new digs, (the dumpster out back of the Electric Company). Funny you should mention the Bank of Monolopy. One of my Dad's brothers was a VP at the old Parker Brother's factory in Salem, MA which developed Monolopy. There actually was a Bank of Monopoly in the building with a faux valut, faux armed guards and all the trappings of a real bank. When they did tours, it was the highlight of the day. I have pictures around here somewhere that I should scan of that. |
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On 9 Mar 2007 08:51:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: Actually, Harry is partially correct. A lot of what appears here is sort of a "stream of consciousness" format. I don't edit, spell check, etc and some of the sentences run on far too long. It's a tendency I struggle with in things that actually matter, but the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. I have a very good friend, known her for years, who is a freelancer in the medical field. Very sharp and knows her stuff. I swear to you, we've discussed her articles ad nauseam - she cannot deliver a 1000 word article in under 2500 words. :) Almost everything she does has to be broken into two parts. One time she sent me an article she did about some strange type of skin cancer and asked me what I thought of it. I replied with my usual "you've got to gut this and get to the point" so she challenged me to gut it and still make it meaningful. She would submit both pieces and see which one was accepted. I did, I won and she didn't speak to me for two weeks. :) |
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On Mar 9, 10:28 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - JimH is nothing but a low life blowhard looking for nothing more than to be able to act out here because he's a little pansy chicken **** in real life. |
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"Tom Francis" wrote in message ... On 9 Mar 2007 08:51:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Actually, Harry is partially correct. A lot of what appears here is sort of a "stream of consciousness" format. I don't edit, spell check, etc and some of the sentences run on far too long. It's a tendency I struggle with in things that actually matter, but the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. I have a very good friend, known her for years, who is a freelancer in the medical field. Very sharp and knows her stuff. I swear to you, we've discussed her articles ad nauseam - she cannot deliver a 1000 word article in under 2500 words. :) Almost everything she does has to be broken into two parts. One time she sent me an article she did about some strange type of skin cancer and asked me what I thought of it. I replied with my usual "you've got to gut this and get to the point" so she challenged me to gut it and still make it meaningful. She would submit both pieces and see which one was accepted. I did, I won and she didn't speak to me for two weeks. :) Friend of the family was a hard hat diver during WW2. He also wrote stories for the paperback publishers. He said he always put in lots of descriptions of the land, and building. Got paid by the word. He said he also read a lot of paperbacks during work. The divers would take a book with them and just tear out the page after they read it and let if float off as they hung on the line during decompression stops. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message ... On 9 Mar 2007 08:51:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Actually, Harry is partially correct. A lot of what appears here is sort of a "stream of consciousness" format. I don't edit, spell check, etc and some of the sentences run on far too long. It's a tendency I struggle with in things that actually matter, but the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. I have a very good friend, known her for years, who is a freelancer in the medical field. Very sharp and knows her stuff. I swear to you, we've discussed her articles ad nauseam - she cannot deliver a 1000 word article in under 2500 words. :) Almost everything she does has to be broken into two parts. One time she sent me an article she did about some strange type of skin cancer and asked me what I thought of it. I replied with my usual "you've got to gut this and get to the point" so she challenged me to gut it and still make it meaningful. She would submit both pieces and see which one was accepted. I did, I won and she didn't speak to me for two weeks. :) Friend of the family was a hard hat diver during WW2. He also wrote stories for the paperback publishers. He said he always put in lots of descriptions of the land, and building. Got paid by the word. He said he also read a lot of paperbacks during work. The divers would take a book with them and just tear out the page after they read it and let if float off as they hung on the line during decompression stops. I had a college buddy who wrote smutty novels to put himself through school. Got something like 7 cents a word. :} When I wrote for PC Week magazine, I got about $1.25 a word. Wrote an every other week article, about 750 words. A grand a column. Much more than BYTE magazine paid me, and even more than PC Magazine paid me. This was the year after Peter Norton introduced his first set of utilities. The dark ages. Anyone remember Volkswriter? Neat word processor written by a Chilean named "Camille...something or other" out in Monterey, California, guy who did it as a moonlight project while an employee of the Navy language school. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:08:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Tom Francis" wrote in message ... On 9 Mar 2007 08:51:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: Actually, Harry is partially correct. A lot of what appears here is sort of a "stream of consciousness" format. I don't edit, spell check, etc and some of the sentences run on far too long. It's a tendency I struggle with in things that actually matter, but the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. I have a very good friend, known her for years, who is a freelancer in the medical field. Very sharp and knows her stuff. I swear to you, we've discussed her articles ad nauseam - she cannot deliver a 1000 word article in under 2500 words. :) Almost everything she does has to be broken into two parts. One time she sent me an article she did about some strange type of skin cancer and asked me what I thought of it. I replied with my usual "you've got to gut this and get to the point" so she challenged me to gut it and still make it meaningful. She would submit both pieces and see which one was accepted. I did, I won and she didn't speak to me for two weeks. :) Friend of the family was a hard hat diver during WW2. He also wrote stories for the paperback publishers. He said he always put in lots of descriptions of the land, and building. Got paid by the word. He said he also read a lot of paperbacks during work. The divers would take a book with them and just tear out the page after they read it and let if float off as they hung on the line during decompression stops. I had a college buddy who wrote smutty novels to put himself through school. Got something like 7 cents a word. :} When I wrote for PC Week magazine, I got about $1.25 a word. Wrote an every other week article, about 750 words. A grand a column. Much more than BYTE magazine paid me, and even more than PC Magazine paid me. This was the year after Peter Norton introduced his first set of utilities. The dark ages. Wayne Green was a cheap...um...never mind. Anyone remember Volkswriter? Neat word processor written by a Chilean named "Camille...something or other" out in Monterey, California, guy who did it as a moonlight project while an employee of the Navy language school. Yep. My all time favorite was Wordstar for CPM. I still say that was the best word processor ever. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:35:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff. Yeah, yeah. Leave out all technical info, and talk about the iridescence of the night time sea. Take it to arts.poetry. Chucks's stuff is fine. Besides, I remember a nicely rendered vision of ice glazed harbor from Chuck. Very nice, in fact. --Vic |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:05:00 -0500, RJSmithers
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: I find your articles as good as any I have seen in any boating mags, they are better than many I have read. Seconded. But I never read a boat mag. Get all my info from the illustrious experts here, one and all. Well, almost..... --Vic |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:07:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: I didn't suggest your writing was like Hemingway's, or that it should be. I suggested you read some of his writings so that you might learn a bit about saying more with less. He was the master of that. Hills Like White Elephants - almost all dialogue. Unfortunately, Elephants can't plane. --Vic |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 7:35?am, Harry Krause wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Mar 9, 5:16?am, JLH wrote: On 8 Mar 2007 20:06:30 -0800, "Chuck Gould" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:47?pm, "JimH" wrote: If one really didn't shot from shine, they'd think my report on a visit to a boat factory was a "review". But one would have to be just about dumber than a barnacle to arrive at that conclusion, so there's darn little chance of it happening here in the NG. (On the remote chance that you failed to notice, there *is no* boat to review. Just a group of molded sections and a partially laid up hull.) Chuck, what you're implying is a reading comprehension problem. -- John H Barnacle: A very low form of marine life that contributes nothing to the normal operation of a boat and is a PITA simply "along for the ride". Seems like there will always be a few barnacles. It's fortunate that we don't have any posters to the NG who are non-contributing lower life forms simply along for the ride. But let's examine my egregious screw up: How would I dare post some boating related content here? Will someobdy please pray for my poor misguided soul and send me an email informing me about it? That will give me something to post that would meet with Jim's approval. I live and die by JimH's opinion of me, and it's so distressing to see him unhappy or displeased. Perhaps I should apologize to JimH and his on-line prayer group for cluttering up the rec.boats board with comments about a visit to a boat factory. Who gives a durn about boats or how one brand or another is built? What was I thinking? Anybody know where I can buy a lottery ticket? Not only would that be the highlight of my week, it would make interesting, boating related reading. :-) Perhaps you ought to read some Hemingway. Almost everything you post is overwritten or overwrought or both. Write shorter sentences. Write shorter paragraphs. Edit out the fluff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never claimed to write like Hemingway. One or two people like my style. Sorry that you're not among them. :-) I didn't suggest your writing was like Hemingway's, or that it should be. I suggested you read some of his writings so that you might learn a bit about saying more with less. He was the master of that. As opposed to saying less with less? ;) Dan |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 8, 6:03?pm, "Danlw" wrote: "Danlw" wrote in message . .. "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... I got invited up to observe the progress of the new Fathom 40. Hull #1 is being created in a mammoth aluminum shed up in the bustling town of Sedro Wooley, WA. Many of the interior layups are done, the stringer grid popped out of the mold yesterday afternoon, and the hull is getting prepped for infusion. Interesting pedigree for this boat; the three partners in the company were all in upper management positions of Nordic Tug (in fact, one was the president for several years). Five of these boats have already been sold, and the first one hasn't been completed. They hope to have the first boat launched in time to have it in Seattle for Opening Day, May 5. The wonders of compter assisted design never cease to amaze me. In one corner of the plant there's a guy building wiring harnesses. Every single wire is labeled, of course, and they are all precut to the exact length they will need to be and have the appropriate connectors installed. Using the 3D images on the computer screen, they know how each wire will route, what side of a system or accessory it will connect to, etc. The guy building the harnesses admitted that there could be some risk in putting together wires for a hull that hasn't yet been assembled. "We could be off by as much a 1/1000th of an inch," he said. :-) One thing that I thought was notable, some of the infusion molds make as many as 9 parts at once. For example, there are some cutouts in the form used for the cabintop above the pilothouse. Rather than mold around the "hole", a small part is built into the mold and included in the infusion matrix. In one case, the cover for a grey water tank was being created in what would have been a wasted "space" in the old days- and there would have been additional expense for laying up the small part as a separate item. I always enjoy watching boats being built. Couldn't do it for a living, the fiberglass smell drives me nuts within short order. The new infusion processes seem to have radically reduced the amount of fumes in the air- but there are still more than I'd care to breathe on a regular basis. The systems and materials chosen for this vessel inspire confidence that it will be a pretty good boat when finished. The experience of the partners and their key employees (mostly lured away from guess who) also bodes well for the Fathom 40. Is this the one designed by George C Marshall? Thanks, Dan Make that Greg, not George. Dan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is. Ric Reid, (former president of Nordic Tug), told me that Greg had the design together within just a few days of accepting the contract. "We're pretty sure he'd been working on this concept for the last few years as a kind of designer's pet project," he said. Some unusual aspects: There's no skeg. The theory is that the prop wash against the skeg increases vibration. The prop is protected by virtue of the fact that the keel extends down below the blades. There is stand-up headroom on the port side of the engine room. The molding for the main deck has a raised settee above the port side of the engine room, and that creates the necessary vertical clearance. Stand-up room in portion of the engine room is quite a feat on most 40- footers.. The hull is a split mold, and will be cored above the waterline. Darn nearly everything will be infusion molded. More info: http://fathomyachts.com/ Interesting. I had noticed that it was Marshall that designed the 85' Pacific Mariner while at the boat show and had looked at his web site and there was a bit of info on the 40' Fathom--more in my price range. Hope to see the finished product. Dan |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:10:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Purple prose is painful. Whining whiners are whimpy... |
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On 9 Mar 2007 08:51:59 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: the NG is simply typewritten conversation and a lower standard applies. Oh yes, much lower indeed. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:01:57 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote: I swear to you, we've discussed her articles ad nauseam - she cannot deliver a 1000 word article in under 2500 words. :) Almost everything she does has to be broken into two parts. One time she sent me an article she did about some strange type of skin cancer and asked me what I thought of it. I replied with my usual "you've got to gut this and get to the point" so she challenged me to gut it and still make it meaningful. She would submit both pieces and see which one was accepted. I did, I won and she didn't speak to me for two weeks. :) Being paid by the word just might have an impact on your writing style I suspect. You probably cost her some serious $$$s. |
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:35:03 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote: Wayne Green was a cheap...um...never mind. He was an interesting character though. I believe he was married to the publisher of BYTE (maybe Virginia Green ?), and she claimed he had nothing to fo with the magazine. Who knows, the truth about some things with NSD was elusive. I always enjoyed Steve Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar articles although I don't think I ever built any of his projects. Apparently he's still around: http://www.circuitcellar.com/ Anyone remember Volkswriter? Neat word processor written by a Chilean named "Camille...something or other" out in Monterey, California, guy who did it as a moonlight project while an employee of the Navy language school. Yep. My all time favorite was Wordstar for CPM. I still say that was the best word processor ever. I agree. What you saw is what you got, no surprises. Wish I had a dollar for every time I've cursed out MS Word. Unfortunately it has become a standard. |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:52:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: I remember a nicely rendered vision of ice glazed harbor from Chuck. Very nice, in fact. Indeed it was. If it's true that one is defined more by enemies than friends, Chuck is doing just fine. I have had an issue with a few of the past infomercials but that message may have been received. |
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