On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:44:55 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:56:26 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Not sure exactly how and why it works, but having a dealer invoice or
title the outboard separately when a boat is bought outside of Florida
eliminates Florida sales tax on the outboard for the purchaser.

Title the outboard? They don't title engines in Florida.
If you are saying you titled the boat without an engine, based on the
hull price alone, I see your point.
When I bought my new engine (repower) I got it off the internet and
didn't pay taxes but I did have a $300 shipping bill, dropped in my
driveway. I never had to register the serial number so there was no
way to collect tax on it.

Yes. The below describes what I was trying to express.
In the case I read about, the new owner, a Floridian, drove
out of state to purchase his boat, and towed it back.
He didn't pay Florida taxes on the outboard, a big 4-stroke.
I can't recall what taxes he *did* pay on it, but as I recall he
was implying *none*.
This might be important to somebody buying a new boat, and
on the face of it is certainly important to anybody in Florida buying
a used boat. Basically, "sales tax must be paid on the amount entered
on the title." You can see there is maneuvering room there, ethics
aside.
Personally, my current boat-buying plan is do everything in Florida,
so I expect to pay full Florida taxes. Unless I move there I'll never
have the opportunity to even tow my boat. Sort of sad really, since
I'll never enjoy the pleasures of crossing chains and packing
bearings, among others.

--Vic

http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/dmv/faqboat.html#4
If the seller of a vessel entered the entire selling price of a boat,
trailer and motor as the selling price on the transfer portion of the
vessel title being transferred, must the new owner pay sales tax on
the entire amount?

Yes, sales tax must be paid on the amount entered on the title, unless
an itemized bill of sale listing the price of each component of the
rig is submitted with the application. In such a case, the owner would
only be required to pay sales tax on the boat and trailer.

Vic Smith wrote:
On 21 Feb 2007 08:42:00 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:22?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage"
tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and
it's in a marina here in CT.

CT also is a non-title state for boats. hich basically means that you
can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take
it to another title state to sell it. retty neat huh?
snip
A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!"
when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of
the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all
of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody
is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but
disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess
there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when
the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in.

Not sure exactly how and why it works, but having a dealer invoice or
title the outboard separately when a boat is bought outside of Florida
eliminates Florida sales tax on the outboard for the purchaser.
Whether the savings is worthwhile logistically or in terms of
addressing the ethical issues is another question.
But I intend to get the answers.

Get this - in Rhode Island, only the boat and trailer is taxed, not the
engine.

wrote:

BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill. A friend of mine just
moved here from Md and he bought a new car before he left. They titled
it in Md and then transferred title to Florida within a month. They
had to pay full Florida tax on it. They were ****ed. The tax collector
said it would not have made any difference if they had titled it here
directly. If Md still charged the tax they would have to pay both. You
bring a car here, you pay the full tax. I am guessing boats are the
same. Florida has so many newcomers they need to pay for the impact on
resources.

Um....I don't think so.

If there is a difference between states, as in one state charges 5% tax
on a vehicle and the second state charges 6%, then they can charge the
extra 1%.

They can't charge an additional 6% - Federal Tax Code.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
wrote:

BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill. A friend of mine just
moved here from Md and he bought a new car before he left. They titled
it in Md and then transferred title to Florida within a month. They
had to pay full Florida tax on it. They were ****ed. The tax collector
said it would not have made any difference if they had titled it here
directly. If Md still charged the tax they would have to pay both. You
bring a car here, you pay the full tax. I am guessing boats are the
same. Florida has so many newcomers they need to pay for the impact on
resources.

Um....I don't think so.

If there is a difference between states, as in one state charges 5% tax
on a vehicle and the second state charges 6%, then they can charge the
extra 1%.

They can't charge an additional 6% - Federal Tax Code.

They count on people paying it and then having them try and get it back
if they want to go through that hassle.

On Feb 21, 10:44?am, wrote:


BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill. A friend of mine just
moved here from Md and he bought a new car before he left. They titled
it in Md and then transferred title to Florida within a month. They
had to pay full Florida tax on it. They were ****ed. The tax collector
said it would not have made any difference if they had titled it here
directly. If Md still charged the tax they would have to pay both. You
bring a car here, you pay the full tax. I am guessing boats are the
same. Florida has so many newcomers they need to pay for the impact on
resources.

The State of Florda's Department of Revenue has a website that states
*if* your friend paid tax in MD he or she would get a credit for that
tax in FLA.
If your friend paid a full Florida tax of 6%, perhaps there was no tax
paid when the vehicle was purchased in MD.

Link:

http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/sales_tax.html

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:44:55 -0500, wrote:

BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Both my wife and I brought vehicles
to Florida that had been purchased and taxed in NY. There is a one
time special registration fee but it does not come anywhere near to
what paying a second sales tax assessment would amount to.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On 21 Feb 2007 08:42:00 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:22?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage"
tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and
it's in a marina here in CT.

CT also is a non-title state for boats. hich basically means that you
can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take
it to another title state to sell it. retty neat huh?

snip

A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!"
when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of
the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all
of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody
is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but
disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess
there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when
the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in.

Not sure exactly how and why it works, but having a dealer invoice or
title the outboard separately when a boat is bought outside of Florida
eliminates Florida sales tax on the outboard for the purchaser.
Whether the savings is worthwhile logistically or in terms of
addressing the ethical issues is another question.
But I intend to get the answers.

I bought my last boat new in South Carolina. When I brought it home to
Florida all I had to pay tax on was the price listed on the invoice for the
hull. You only pay tax on the portion of the boat that is titled, ie the
outboard. So it's important to have the boat and outboard as separate line
items on the invoice.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On 21 Feb 2007 08:42:00 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:22?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay
"usuage"
tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and
it's in a marina here in CT.

CT also is a non-title state for boats. hich basically means that you
can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take
it to another title state to sell it. retty neat huh?
snip
A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!"
when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of
the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all
of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody
is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but
disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess
there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when
the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in.

Not sure exactly how and why it works, but having a dealer invoice or
title the outboard separately when a boat is bought outside of Florida
eliminates Florida sales tax on the outboard for the purchaser.
Whether the savings is worthwhile logistically or in terms of
addressing the ethical issues is another question.
But I intend to get the answers.

Get this - in Rhode Island, only the boat and trailer is taxed, not the
engine.

Same in Florida, as long as it's an outboard.

wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:00:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

wrote:

BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill. A friend of mine just
moved here from Md and he bought a new car before he left. They titled
it in Md and then transferred title to Florida within a month. They
had to pay full Florida tax on it. They were ****ed. The tax collector
said it would not have made any difference if they had titled it here
directly. If Md still charged the tax they would have to pay both. You
bring a car here, you pay the full tax. I am guessing boats are the
same. Florida has so many newcomers they need to pay for the impact on
resources.
Um....I don't think so.

If there is a difference between states, as in one state charges 5% tax
on a vehicle and the second state charges 6%, then they can charge the
extra 1%.

They can't charge an additional 6% - Federal Tax Code.

I know someone who will tell you another story.

Of course.

A state has absolutely no obligation to recognize a tax paid in
another state.

That's not true. Then again, you have a friend.

I suggest you call any tax collector's office in Floirida and ask.

You know what - I'm going to do that.

Just to be a dick. :)

wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:49:26 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:00:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

wrote:

BTW I am not sure how boats work but I know paying taxes in another
state does not change your Florida tax bill. A friend of mine just
moved here from Md and he bought a new car before he left. They titled
it in Md and then transferred title to Florida within a month. They
had to pay full Florida tax on it. They were ****ed. The tax collector
said it would not have made any difference if they had titled it here
directly. If Md still charged the tax they would have to pay both. You
bring a car here, you pay the full tax. I am guessing boats are the
same. Florida has so many newcomers they need to pay for the impact on
resources.
Um....I don't think so.

If there is a difference between states, as in one state charges 5% tax
on a vehicle and the second state charges 6%, then they can charge the
extra 1%.

They can't charge an additional 6% - Federal Tax Code.

I know someone who will tell you another story. A state has absolutely
no obligation to recognize a tax paid in another state.
I suggest you call any tax collector's office in Floirida and ask.

I just read that they do give you a credit (on the DMV web site) so I
will have to find out exactly what they were bitching about.

Does this mean I don't have to call Florida this morning?