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Venice, FL bad water cop
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Venice, FL bad water cop
On Feb 20, 9:59?am, wrote:
On 20 Feb 2007 04:47:50 -0800, "Keith" wrote: There is a guy there that routinely hassles transiting boaters with no FL registration. Never mind that you can pass through FL without FL numbers, he will give you a ticket anyway. Here are some comments and people to write if this concerns you. Did you have out of state ID? If you dropped a Florida DL on him I can see his point. In the end all of this licensing and registration is about tax money. Good point about the primary ID. Hadn't considered that might be the case. Pretty tough to convice a cop that while you're a FLA resident your privately owned boat isn't. I think that if the hairs got split down to micro-fine, while enroute to a launch the boat is simply cargo on a trailer- and most states will require some sort of licensing or registration information for a trailer. Absent any current tabs on the trailer, that might create "probable cause" for investigating the ownership of the boat. It's too bad that states enforce their tax and registration laws so arbitrarily. I can point to a couple of dozen very large and expensive boats in the local area with Oregon registrations, even though the boats never leave Puget Sound and have never been near the state of Oregon. Nor do the owners maintain a residence in Oregon. (about 9% sales tax in Washington, none in Oregon). While the state is losing some big dough from people who are willing to lie to evade sales taxes on sometimes multi-million dollar boat purchases, they just threw the book as some poor schmuck for $6,000 in tobacco taxes because he was ordering cigarettes from some out of state tribe. Don't know what he makes, but according the news it's going to take him 18 months to pay this off if the state garnishes 20% of his wages so I guess it's about $1600 a month. I have always advocated registering a boat according to the law and in the primary state of residence. |
Venice, FL bad water cop
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:59:19 -0500, wrote: On 20 Feb 2007 04:47:50 -0800, "Keith" wrote: There is a guy there that routinely hassles transiting boaters with no FL registration. Never mind that you can pass through FL without FL numbers, he will give you a ticket anyway. Here are some comments and people to write if this concerns you. Did you have out of state ID? If you dropped a Florida DL on him I can see his point. In the end all of this licensing and registration is about tax money. Just drop a "Semper Fi" on this guy to convert him to putty.....he's obviously ex-jarhead. But that's sort of an oxymoron, since once a jarhead always a jarhead. More likely a former Navy or Coastie type. Jarheads usually become state troopers. :) |
Venice, FL bad water cop
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 20, 9:59?am, wrote: On 20 Feb 2007 04:47:50 -0800, "Keith" wrote: There is a guy there that routinely hassles transiting boaters with no FL registration. Never mind that you can pass through FL without FL numbers, he will give you a ticket anyway. Here are some comments and people to write if this concerns you. Did you have out of state ID? If you dropped a Florida DL on him I can see his point. In the end all of this licensing and registration is about tax money. It's too bad that states enforce their tax and registration laws so arbitrarily. Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage" tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and it's in a marina here in CT. CT also is a non-title state for boats. Which basically means that you can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take it to another title state to sell it. Pretty neat huh? |
Venice, FL bad water cop
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:09:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:59:19 -0500, wrote: On 20 Feb 2007 04:47:50 -0800, "Keith" wrote: There is a guy there that routinely hassles transiting boaters with no FL registration. Never mind that you can pass through FL without FL numbers, he will give you a ticket anyway. Here are some comments and people to write if this concerns you. Did you have out of state ID? If you dropped a Florida DL on him I can see his point. In the end all of this licensing and registration is about tax money. Just drop a "Semper Fi" on this guy to convert him to putty.....he's obviously ex-jarhead. But that's sort of an oxymoron, since once a jarhead always a jarhead. More likely a former Navy or Coastie type. Jarheads usually become state troopers. :) You're probably right on all counts. I guess a jarhead could come late to water instead of dirt, but the odds favor you over me. --Vic |
Venice, FL bad water cop
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:59:19 -0500, wrote: On 20 Feb 2007 04:47:50 -0800, "Keith" wrote: There is a guy there that routinely hassles transiting boaters with no FL registration. Never mind that you can pass through FL without FL numbers, he will give you a ticket anyway. Here are some comments and people to write if this concerns you. Did you have out of state ID? If you dropped a Florida DL on him I can see his point. In the end all of this licensing and registration is about tax money. Just drop a "Semper Fi" on this guy to convert him to putty.....he's obviously ex-jarhead. But that's sort of an oxymoron, since once a jarhead always a jarhead. Correction: That would be a former Jarhead. You can divorce your wife but the Corps stays with you forever. |
Venice, FL bad water cop
On Feb 20, 12:22�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage" tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and it's in a marina here in CT. CT also is a non-title state for boats. *Which basically means that you can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take it to another title state to sell it. *Pretty neat huh? That use tax thing isn't all that uncommon. We have a version of it in Washington. I think you'll find that simply being in a marina doesn't trigger the tax if you're just passing through. After a statutory period of time in a dedicated slip, (often 90 days), many states conclude that a boat is being kept in the state on a permanent basis and will require the vessel to be registered in the state. "Use tax" is a substitute for sales tax, as there is no actual sale being made. The good news is that if you paid sales tax when you bought your boat (and have the purchase paperwork to prove it) nearly all states honor a "reciprocal" agreement with other sales tax collecting states. If the sales tax rate was as high or higher where the boat was purchased, you normally get a free pass on the "use tax" (but not the tab fee) in the second state. If the tax was lower, you typically have to pay the difference. If a purchase in State A was originally taxed at 5% and State B collects 9%, moving a boat from State A to State B will trigger a 4% use tax. States with higher sales taxes than neighboring states, (especially back east where the state lines are a couple of hundred yards apart grin), rely on such a system to prevent each and every vehicle and vessel purchase being made just across the state line. A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!" when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in. |
Venice, FL bad water cop
On 21 Feb 2007 08:42:00 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Feb 20, 12:22?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage" tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and it's in a marina here in CT. CT also is a non-title state for boats. hich basically means that you can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take it to another title state to sell it. retty neat huh? snip A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!" when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in. Not sure exactly how and why it works, but having a dealer invoice or title the outboard separately when a boat is bought outside of Florida eliminates Florida sales tax on the outboard for the purchaser. Whether the savings is worthwhile logistically or in terms of addressing the ethical issues is another question. But I intend to get the answers. --Vic |
Venice, FL bad water cop
On 21 Feb 2007 08:42:00 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote: On Feb 20, 12:22?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Hey, look at it this way - it could be CT where you have to pay "usuage" tax - whoops, I meant fee - if your boat is registered out of state and it's in a marina here in CT. CT also is a non-title state for boats. hich basically means that you can steal a boat in another state, bring it here, register it and take it to another title state to sell it. retty neat huh? That use tax thing isn't all that uncommon. We have a version of it in Washington. I think you'll find that simply being in a marina doesn't trigger the tax if you're just passing through. After a statutory period of time in a dedicated slip, (often 90 days), many states conclude that a boat is being kept in the state on a permanent basis and will require the vessel to be registered in the state. "Use tax" is a substitute for sales tax, as there is no actual sale being made. The good news is that if you paid sales tax when you bought your boat (and have the purchase paperwork to prove it) nearly all states honor a "reciprocal" agreement with other sales tax collecting states. If the sales tax rate was as high or higher where the boat was purchased, you normally get a free pass on the "use tax" (but not the tab fee) in the second state. If the tax was lower, you typically have to pay the difference. If a purchase in State A was originally taxed at 5% and State B collects 9%, moving a boat from State A to State B will trigger a 4% use tax. States with higher sales taxes than neighboring states, (especially back east where the state lines are a couple of hundred yards apart grin), rely on such a system to prevent each and every vehicle and vessel purchase being made just across the state line. A lot of times people react with a wink, a nod, and a "good for you!" when they hear of somebody lying to evade taxes. I wonder how many of the supporters stop to consider that somebody is still paying for all of the government services that the tax evaders use, and that somebody is (partially) them. I'm not much better, I tend to turn a blind but disapproving eye toward bogus out-of-state boat registrations; I guess there's a difference between not being the least bit sympathetic when the liars and cheaters are caught and actually turning them in. When I bought my boat, I registered it in Maryland, as that is where it was docked. I paid the taxes, titled it there, and did everything I was supposed to do. Now I'm registering it in Virginia. To do so, I must get it titled in Virginia. To do that, I must send the Virginia folks the MD title, the MD registration, and *proof* that I paid MD taxes. Well, I don't recall getting a receipt from MD for the taxes, but I *did* get a title, which should be proof enough I paid the taxes. But it's not. So, I called MD. To get a copy of the records showing my payment of the taxes, I must send them $16 and a records request form, which must be notarized! We take this **** seriously in this part of the country! -- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H |
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