rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time startup
takes a long time.

Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.


It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently
using Windows XP.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time startup
takes a long time.

Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.


It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP today,
but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently using
Windows XP.

Clean install?

D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP today,
but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently using
Windows XP.

Clean install?

I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time
startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently
using Windows XP.

Clean install?

I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.

I agree. From what I've read Vista seems allot about cutesy and "maybe"
more secure. That remains to be seen.

XP Pro does all I need.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time
startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently
using Windows XP.

Clean install?

I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.


Big companies usually run new stuff like this on test machines that don't
involve critical operations. The techs are some of the best contributors to
various online forums. Most other information is pure myth, including mine,
yours and Harry's. Not enough stats to say anything meaningful yet.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time
startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently
using Windows XP.
Clean install?
I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.

Big companies usually run new stuff like this on test machines that don't
involve critical operations. The techs are some of the best contributors to
various online forums. Most other information is pure myth, including mine,
yours and Harry's. Not enough stats to say anything meaningful yet.

No offense Doug, but I'll take the word of a experienced,
cross platform IT/IS manager who is responsible for keeping
three major medical centers running for thirty years.

If he says it's has backwards compatibility problems and
serious device flaws - he's right.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time
startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during
her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing
apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research
legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as
you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer
currently using Windows XP.
Clean install?
I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.

Big companies usually run new stuff like this on test machines that don't
involve critical operations. The techs are some of the best contributors
to various online forums. Most other information is pure myth, including
mine, yours and Harry's. Not enough stats to say anything meaningful yet.

No offense Doug, but I'll take the word of a experienced,
cross platform IT/IS manager who is responsible for keeping
three major medical centers running for thirty years.

If he says it's has backwards compatibility problems and
serious device flaws - he's right.

I guess he fits the category I was talking about. Admittedly, there are lots
of people in smaller shops who do the same thing.

Like I said previously, I was a beta tester, and now that the beta is over,
vista no longer resides on any of my computers.

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
rbstern wrote:
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Got my new computer finished up this morning, though still waiting
delivery of storage drive. VISTA works fine. Initial first-time
startup
takes a long time.
Got a "computer emergency" call from my sister last weekend. Brand
new HP something-or-other desktop with Vista. IE 7 quit working
altogether, with no meaningful error message, at some point during her
migration from the old PC. The HP support drones wanted her to start
from scratch with a reinstall of the factory CDs. She wouldn't have
any of that, since she had already invested many hours installing apps
and transferring files from the old PC.

Got her back on the 'net running Firefox. she did the research legwork
and discovered that a lot of others are having similar problems upon
installing their Canon printer driver.

If an operating system can't protect core applications from a poorly
behaved printer driver, it ain't much of an operating system.

Think I'll wait a service pack or two.

Interested to hear how Vista does for you over the coming weeks as you
do real work with it.

It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP
today, but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently
using Windows XP.

Clean install?

I know next to nothing about Vista and the new
computer has XP Pro installed, but with the upgrade
deal thing - Vista Business for free, etc.

I called my brother who does know a lot about it and
he's been running Vista on a standalone computer at
his IT shop - says at this point, MS is using the
installed customer base as a test bed - Vista is no
where near ready. Expect huge service packs in the
near future.

I think I'll wait for a while.

D.Duck wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..


It probably is going to be hard to buy an OEM version of Windows XP today,
but I would never install Windows Vista into a computer currently using
Windows XP.

Clean install?


No, I would not do a clean install Windows Vista over keeping Windows XP
because it has very few advantages over Windows XP, and I am sure their
will be many problems with Vista over the next year. If you think about
it it took MS two years to debug the major problems and security issues
from XP. I think it took 4 years to come out with SP2. Here are some
reviews of Windows Vista:

"Windows Vista: more than five years in the making, more than 50 million
lines of code. The result? A vista slightly more inspiring than the one
over the town dump. The new slogan is: "The 'Wow' Starts Now," and
Microsoft touts new features, many filched shamelessly from Apple's
Macintosh. But as with every previous version, there's no wow here, not
even in ironic quotes. Vista is at best mildly annoying and at worst
makes you want to rush to Redmond, Wash. and rip somebody's liver out.

Vista is a fading theme park with a few new rides, lots of patched-up
old ones and bored kids in desperate need of adult supervision running
things. If I can find plenty of problems in a matter of hours, why can't
Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people )? Most likely answer: It
did--and it doesn't care."
from Forbes
--------
Windows Vista has been in consumers' hands for about a week now and,
while there haven't been a flood of problems, there have been a few
bumps along the way.

Among the initial gripes are trouble installing or activating copies, as
well as reports that the operating system isn't working quite as they
expected. In addition to the sporadic reports of bugs and upgrade
issues, other people are discovering that hardware and software
incompatibilities are impeding their path to Vista.
from CNET

Experts: Don't upgrade to VIsta
One thing I love about DEMO is that I get to rub elbows with some of the
world's savviest tech press. All the product guys are here. Hanging out
in the lobby with them yesterday, I asked the question that is on the
mind of 90 percent of all computer users:

"Should I upgrade my computer to VISTA?"

I received a resounding "NO!" in three-part harmony.

It seems that Vista is great if you are buying a new PC, but right now
there are all sorts of incompatabilities with legacy software, the stuff
that's already in your computer. This will get worked out, one app at a
time, over the coming months, they speculate. But chances are you should
just wait to have Vista in your next machine--and the one I have right
now works just fine, thank you very much.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:28:23 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


Clean install?

From what I'm reading, that may not be an option. The upgrade version of
Vista requires XP to reside on the disk, although I believe there may be a
work-around. Also, if I'm not mistaken, once your register your upgrade
Vista, your XP license is toast. There's no going back.

http://help.wugnet.com/vista/Upgrade...pict25144.html


The work-around:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/31/c...de-discovered/