On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message
om...

to reduce the pressure and it will suddenly freeze again and begin to
sublimate (goes from solid to vapor without becoming a solid).

All of this happens at what range of temperatures? When you're reducing
the air pressure, the temp is remaining fairly constant?

As the pressure is reduced, the only temperature left is that remaining in
the water, (aside from any radiant energy). As pressure is reduced, the
vapor pressure changes. Often, high intensity quartz lamps or UV emitters
are used to add energy to the remaining water molecules to excite them to
a state where they can be removed or captured by the vacuum pumps.
Otherwise they cling to the vacuum chamber walls and will slowly sublimate
for hours or days.

Think of your car's radiator. The pressure cap allows the cooling system
to operate at a higher barometric pressure than at atmosphere, raising the
boiling point of water. The opposite happens in the vacuum chambers. To
a less obvious degree, the normal barometric pressure variations at
atmosphere affects dew points, etc. for a given temperature.

BTW ... in my partial sentence quoted above about sublimation ... I meant
to say "goes from solid to vapor without becoming a liquid".

Eisboch

Well anyway, it appears I've gone beyond my streak of good luck with
windshield fluid. 35 years of driving in frigid climates, and never a
problem until now, when I get not just one, but two products in a row made
by idiots or liars. The stuff's frozen in the tank, at 14 degrees F.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder if you got some extraneous water in the fluid tank?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 8, 2:16 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message

...







"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"RCE" wrote in message
om...

to reduce the pressure and it will suddenly freeze again and begin
to
sublimate (goes from solid to vapor without becoming a solid).

All of this happens at what range of temperatures? When you're
reducing
the air pressure, the temp is remaining fairly constant?

As the pressure is reduced, the only temperature left is that remaining
in
the water, (aside from any radiant energy). As pressure is reduced,
the
vapor pressure changes. Often, high intensity quartz lamps or UV
emitters
are used to add energy to the remaining water molecules to excite them
to
a state where they can be removed or captured by the vacuum pumps.
Otherwise they cling to the vacuum chamber walls and will slowly
sublimate
for hours or days.

Think of your car's radiator. The pressure cap allows the cooling
system
to operate at a higher barometric pressure than at atmosphere, raising
the
boiling point of water. The opposite happens in the vacuum chambers.
To
a less obvious degree, the normal barometric pressure variations at
atmosphere affects dew points, etc. for a given temperature.

BTW ... in my partial sentence quoted above about sublimation ... I
meant
to say "goes from solid to vapor without becoming a liquid".

Eisboch

Well anyway, it appears I've gone beyond my streak of good luck with
windshield fluid. 35 years of driving in frigid climates, and never a
problem until now, when I get not just one, but two products in a row
made
by idiots or liars. The stuff's frozen in the tank, at 14 degrees F.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I wonder if you got some extraneous water in the fluid tank?


Who the hell knows. The tank isn't in plain sight. It's below a bunch of
other crap, and only the spout comes to the top of the engine compartment.
So, it's far from any heat source. And, the entire bottom of the truck is
encrusted with frozen crud. I'll deal with it when I get tires next week.
Have it washed, go straight to the mechanic's, figure it out there. Bring
some name brand fluid (ha ha), drain the tank, start from scratch.

Good mechanic. He likes customers in the shop, as long as talk about fishing
and don't get in his way.

Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
news

Here's something to invent: Windshield washer that doesn't freeze, with
the vehicle just sitting in the driveway. I've lived here 25 years and
never had this problem until now. 3 weeks back, I had to drain the entire
tank of whatever crap the mechanic put in it. Went & bought some other
crap, which worked for a day when the temp was in the high 20s. This week,
frozen again. Two different brands! Next, the fancy pink stuff from
Armorall or whoever makes it.



I was just reading about this in another NG. Apparently ( I never noticed
this ) there is a "summer" windshield washer fluid that looks just like
the winter stuff (same blue color) but is only good to 32 degrees. Maybe
you got some of the wrong stuff.

Eisboch

Pour some rubbing alcohol in it. won't hurt a thing

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I change mine every 60 or so and I'm at 113,000 now.

Probably before summer.

Let me know when the starter takes a dump, boss.

you only have a few more thousand to go. Alternator will quit about
130,000. +/-

that is if you keep it that long..

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"JLH" wrote in message
...


Remind me not to argue water vapor properties with you.
--


I prefer to call it a "discussion".
Except, I am right. :-)

Eisboch

Hey guys. Lets get serious. I need help. I've been trying to wind chill a
beer for several days now. So far I haven't been able to reduce the brew's
temp. below ambient, no matter how many fans I have blowing on it. I even
tried to spritz it with water. Nothing I've tried works. I thought you guys
were on to something with this wind chill theory, but alas, it's just a
bunch of hot air.
Jim

r_d wrote:
What about aftermarket block heaters all the type that replace the
dipstick? Don't tell me google is my friend. I want you to do the work for
me. :-)

For what engine? All of the international diesels come with the heater
installed from the factory (05 and newer ford trucks do not come with the
cord but they can be had from International or eBay). I would imagine the
GM and Cummins engines also come equip. If you are sure yours doesn't then
you can get one that will install into one of the freeze plug holes. Just
pick a side and install it into the center hole.

The powerstroke engines, with a block heater equiped are usually on
the passenger side, located right above the starter motor. Not hard to
install, in fact quite easily. You can get them through about any auto
supply for about $30.00 +/-. Only pain is you have tto drain the
engine coolant to install it in the frost plug hole, that is, after
you chisel the old one out. (again, not hard to do)


I am not a fan of the
dipstick heaters because they have been known to coke the oil that is in
contact with the heater.

agreed. Those things are junk. should be outlawed! they don't do a
good job, they have beknownst to cook the oil just around the dipstick
heater, and cake up a bunch of carbon to the point where you cant even
pull the dipstick out of the tube. Katie, bar the door!


You can also install one of the heaters that
install onto one of the coolant lines. They apparently work well and also
circulate the warm coolant through out the engine.

bad problem I've seenwith those, it that it will heat the engine good,
that is, until the theromostat opens then you end up circulating the
water through the radiator, and lose a bunch of heat into the air


Another option is to use
a heating pad that glues to the bottom of the oil pan (and battery if you
like). They also work fine but can also coke the oil.

agreed. you are heating the engine oil, to thin it down so it will
crank better, but you're really not directing the heat to the block
where it counts more.


There are tons of
options but I prefer the ones that install into the coolant passage. These
also work fine for gasoline engines, tractor engines and so on. All you
need is the size of the freeze plug to get the correct size heater.

good luck,
mark

Good thoughts, Mark. I'm glad you brought those items up

"Jim" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Hey guys. Lets get serious. I need help. I've been trying to wind chill a
beer for several days now. So far I haven't been able to reduce the brew's
temp. below ambient, no matter how many fans I have blowing on it. I even
tried to spritz it with water. Nothing I've tried works. I thought you
guys were on to something with this wind chill theory, but alas, it's just
a bunch of hot air.
Jim


Buy yourself a vacuum chamber. I probably could arrange a modest discount.

Eisboch

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Hey guys. Lets get serious. I need help. I've been trying to wind chill a
beer for several days now. So far I haven't been able to reduce the
brew's temp. below ambient, no matter how many fans I have blowing on it.
I even tried to spritz it with water. Nothing I've tried works. I thought
you guys were on to something with this wind chill theory, but alas, it's
just a bunch of hot air.
Jim


Buy yourself a vacuum chamber. I probably could arrange a modest
discount.

Eisboch

Just what I need. An Electrolux on steroids. ;-)
Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
link.net...

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
hlink.net...



Hey guys. Lets get serious. I need help. I've been trying to wind chill
a beer for several days now. So far I haven't been able to reduce the
brew's temp. below ambient, no matter how many fans I have blowing on
it. I even tried to spritz it with water. Nothing I've tried works. I
thought you guys were on to something with this wind chill theory, but
alas, it's just a bunch of hot air.
Jim


Buy yourself a vacuum chamber. I probably could arrange a modest
discount.

Eisboch

Just what I need. An Electrolux on steroids. ;-)
Jim


And a 3-phase, 60 kva electrical service in your garage to run it. You
could probably tap it off your RV service.

Rev. Eisboch

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
2002 Toyota Tacoma, not diesel.

Swing by the dealer and see if you can find out the proper freeze plug size.
Then check JC Whitney and see if they have the proper size. Just pop out
the center freeze plug, install the heater and you are done. I have the
same type of heater in both of my diesels and they crank right up and give
you almost immediate heat.

mark