On Feb 7, 9:51 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

roups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.

Non-oily. Now what?- Hide quoted text -

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Depends on the temperature.

On Feb 7, 9:52 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"r_d" wrote in message

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What about aftermarket block heaters all the type that replace the
dipstick? Don't tell me google is my friend. I want you to do the work
for me. :-)

For what engine? All of the international diesels come with the heater
installed from the factory (05 and newer ford trucks do not come with the
cord but they can be had from International or eBay). I would imagine the
GM and Cummins engines also come equip. If you are sure yours doesn't
then you can get one that will install into one of the freeze plug holes.
Just pick a side and install it into the center hole. I am not a fan of
the dipstick heaters because they have been known to coke the oil that is
in contact with the heater. You can also install one of the heaters that
install onto one of the coolant lines. They apparently work well and also
circulate the warm coolant through out the engine. Another option is to
use a heating pad that glues to the bottom of the oil pan (and battery if
you like). They also work fine but can also coke the oil. There are tons
of options but I prefer the ones that install into the coolant passage.
These also work fine for gasoline engines, tractor engines and so on. All
you need is the size of the freeze plug to get the correct size heater.

good luck,
mark

2002 Toyota Tacoma, not diesel.- Hide quoted text -

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Well, there is your first mistake. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 9:51 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

roups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.

Non-oily. Now what?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depends on the temperature.



Your pink windshield washer fluid. Temp: -19 degrees F. Vehicle speed: 59
mph. You are wearing a dark green sweater and amber sunglasses.

On Feb 8, 6:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 9:51 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

roups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.

Non-oily. Now what?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depends on the temperature.

Your pink windshield washer fluid. Temp: -19 degrees F. Vehicle speed: 59
mph. You are wearing a dark green sweater and amber sunglasses.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No becasue it's enclosed and will only be affected by ambient
temperature inside the engine compartment.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 6:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 9:51 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

roups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.

Non-oily. Now what?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Depends on the temperature.

Your pink windshield washer fluid. Temp: -19 degrees F. Vehicle speed: 59
mph. You are wearing a dark green sweater and amber sunglasses.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No becasue it's enclosed and will only be affected by ambient
temperature inside the engine compartment.


What about when it hits the windshield, under those same conditions?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What about when it hits the windshield, under those same conditions?


Wind will cause an object to lose heat faster ... but will not cool it below
the ambient temperature.

The evaporation of a liquid is a state change whereby energy is used and
heat is given off.

Wind chill is a measurement of rapid cooling of living tissue.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What about when it hits the windshield, under those same conditions?


Wind will cause an object to lose heat faster ... but will not cool it
below the ambient temperature.

The evaporation of a liquid is a state change whereby energy is used and
heat is given off.

Wind chill is a measurement of rapid cooling of living tissue.

Eisboch



We're going in circles. Stop focusing on the words "wind chill". Focus on
this: Assume you're a chemist, and you know for a fact that you personally
have correctly created windshield washer fluid that doesn't freeze at (to
pick a number) zero F., why does that fluid actually freeze at a higher
temperature, say 5 F., when the vehicle is moving and the fluid hits the
windshield?

Since this phenomenon actually occurs, please base your next response on
that reality. Possible responses:
- "I don't know".
- "Here's why:...."
- "I'm posting a non-answer because I have nothing better to do".

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What about when it hits the windshield, under those same conditions?


Wind will cause an object to lose heat faster ... but will not cool it
below the ambient temperature.

The evaporation of a liquid is a state change whereby energy is used and
heat is given off.

Wind chill is a measurement of rapid cooling of living tissue.

Eisboch



We're going in circles. Stop focusing on the words "wind chill". Focus on
this: Assume you're a chemist, and you know for a fact that you personally
have correctly created windshield washer fluid that doesn't freeze at (to
pick a number) zero F., why does that fluid actually freeze at a higher
temperature, say 5 F., when the vehicle is moving and the fluid hits the
windshield?

Since this phenomenon actually occurs, please base your next response on
that reality. Possible responses:
- "I don't know".
- "Here's why:...."
- "I'm posting a non-answer because I have nothing better to do".


All the above. The answer is blowing in the wind. Actually, it's because
the windshield is cold enough to selectively freeze the H20 content of the
"antifreeze". If you notice ... the wind does not even have to be blowing
in order to freeze a film on the windshield if you use the fluid and wipers
before the defroster starts to warm up the windshield.

I am focusing on wind chill because in your original post you confused wind
chill as being a factor of the temperature of a non-living object. It
isn't.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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All the above. The answer is blowing in the wind. Actually, it's because
the windshield is cold enough to selectively freeze the H20 content of the
"antifreeze". If you notice ... the wind does not even have to be blowing
in order to freeze a film on the windshield if you use the fluid and
wipers before the defroster starts to warm up the windshield.

I am focusing on wind chill because in your original post you confused
wind chill as being a factor of the temperature of a non-living object.
It isn't.

Eisboch


Actually, I think what I just said is incorrect. The freezing film you see
develop is water vapor in the air condensing and freezing on the cold
windshield. If you notice, the next squirt of washer fluid melts it, then
it occurs again and again until the windshield warms up.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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All the above. The answer is blowing in the wind. Actually, it's
because the windshield is cold enough to selectively freeze the H20
content of the "antifreeze". If you notice ... the wind does not even
have to be blowing in order to freeze a film on the windshield if you use
the fluid and wipers before the defroster starts to warm up the
windshield.

I am focusing on wind chill because in your original post you confused
wind chill as being a factor of the temperature of a non-living object.
It isn't.

Eisboch


Actually, I think what I just said is incorrect. The freezing film you
see develop is water vapor in the air condensing and freezing on the cold
windshield. If you notice, the next squirt of washer fluid melts it, then
it occurs again and again until the windshield warms up.

Eisboch



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