"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 7 Feb 2007 09:10:19 -0800, "Short Wave Sportfishing"
wrote:

And you know that the second you sell the Navigator, you'll
be looking for another boat.

Maybe a bigger Grand Banks... :-)



There's no question that the Navigator at 52' LOA and with a 15' beam is
more spacious than the GB at 36' with what, a 13' beam?

Unless I decide to sell it, my slip will accommodate up to a 55' foot
boat.

Hmmmmm......

Eisboch


Having to maintain 3 boats, including 2 the size of the Navigator and GB has
to be a drain not only on your wallet but also your time.

Having said that it has to be drag to consider selling the Navigator.

As others suggested, why not sell the GB and keep the Navigator and the
Scout? A small boat is a great option to consider when not wanting/needing
to take out the big one!

On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

ups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.

"JimH" wrote in message
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As others suggested, why not sell the GB and keep the Navigator and the
Scout? A small boat is a great option to consider when not
wanting/needing to take out the big one!


You don't understand. The GB is Mrs.E's "baby". She has invested quite a
bit of time and bucks having it renovated, updated and prepared for use this
summer. (Right now it's having new air conditioning systems and navigation
electronics installed). Selling it is out of the question.

Besides, quite frankly, I kinda like it. It's a different type of boating
experience than that I've been accustomed to over the years. I am looking
forward to using it more.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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As others suggested, why not sell the GB and keep the Navigator and the
Scout? A small boat is a great option to consider when not
wanting/needing to take out the big one!


You don't understand. The GB is Mrs.E's "baby". She has invested quite a
bit of time and bucks having it renovated, updated and prepared for use
this summer. (Right now it's having new air conditioning systems and
navigation electronics installed). Selling it is out of the question.

Besides, quite frankly, I kinda like it. It's a different type of boating
experience than that I've been accustomed to over the years. I am looking
forward to using it more.

Eisboch


Wives.............women............10-4. ;-)

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"tak" wrote in message
news

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
News here says lots of school bus operators are having problems with
fuel gelling in the fuel filters because of low-sulphur fuel. They can't
get enough kerosene for some reason. What's in the big containers of
diesel additives I've seen for sale at truck stops? Kerosene? Other? Not
suitable for educational (school bus) use?

The D&C had an article on this, Seems the State requires a new additive
to
lower Sulpher emissions. Some districts hadn't tried it out beforehand
and
some others, inadvertently, added to already treated fuel, see below:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...p_product=RDCB


That resulted in a nothing page. What was the title of the article? Maybe
I can search on that.

Hmmm-- well go to the D&C Home page, scroll to the bottom of the left hand
side "archives" click, type in "school bus problems" it should be the first
story in the stack. Enjoy

Tom

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:54:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

She has invested quite a
bit of time and bucks having it renovated, updated and prepared for use this
summer.

Be prepared to do that again in a year or two. Ask the man who owns
one (or is owned).

What about aftermarket block heaters all the type that replace the
dipstick? Don't tell me google is my friend. I want you to do the work for
me. :-)

For what engine? All of the international diesels come with the heater
installed from the factory (05 and newer ford trucks do not come with the
cord but they can be had from International or eBay). I would imagine the
GM and Cummins engines also come equip. If you are sure yours doesn't then
you can get one that will install into one of the freeze plug holes. Just
pick a side and install it into the center hole. I am not a fan of the
dipstick heaters because they have been known to coke the oil that is in
contact with the heater. You can also install one of the heaters that
install onto one of the coolant lines. They apparently work well and also
circulate the warm coolant through out the engine. Another option is to use
a heating pad that glues to the bottom of the oil pan (and battery if you
like). They also work fine but can also coke the oil. There are tons of
options but I prefer the ones that install into the coolant passage. These
also work fine for gasoline engines, tractor engines and so on. All you
need is the size of the freeze plug to get the correct size heater.

good luck,
mark

"JimH" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 6:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Feb 7, 6:06 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

groups.com...

On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is
again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to
moving
air, will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the
liquid?

Yes. But it has nothing to do with wind chill.
It's called the latent heat of evaporation.

Eisboch

OK. So I used the wrong words. But, the wind *does* mess with the
effectiveness of the windshield liquid.

You are changing the scenario you originally
posted...............you
initially said the car was standing still.

Regardless, yes wind will accelerate the cooling of the fluid but it
will never go below ambient temperature. There is no wind chill
factor on windshield wiper fluid. ;-)

I said "subject it to moving air", which causes rapid cooling of the
surface, and any remaining liquid. What else explains why the fluid
can
sit
in the jug in your trunk and not freeze, but freeze in a split second
after
hitting the windshield at 50 mph?

It is OK to be wrong Doug. I will not get into the ****ing contest
you want this to turn into. ;-)

I'm wrong about the terminology, but the effect still sounds similar. If
the
ambient temp doesn't affect the liquid, but adding wind DOES, then...ya
know. What's your explanation?

Ambient temperature has everything to do with bringing the liquid down
to it's level........on a time and exposure basis. Liquids exposed to
winds during that exposure only speed up the process.



Oy......!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

ups.com...

Only living animals are subject to wind chill.

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

http://www.umext.maine.edu/emergency/9024.htm

Google "Wind Chill facts" if you need more information. ;-)

Nice link, but you did not answer the question. Here it is again:

Question: If you put a liquid on a surface, and subject both to moving
air,
will the surface be cooled by the evaporation of the liquid?

Depends on the liquid.



Non-oily. Now what?

"r_d" wrote in message
. com...
What about aftermarket block heaters all the type that replace the
dipstick? Don't tell me google is my friend. I want you to do the work
for me. :-)

For what engine? All of the international diesels come with the heater
installed from the factory (05 and newer ford trucks do not come with the
cord but they can be had from International or eBay). I would imagine the
GM and Cummins engines also come equip. If you are sure yours doesn't
then you can get one that will install into one of the freeze plug holes.
Just pick a side and install it into the center hole. I am not a fan of
the dipstick heaters because they have been known to coke the oil that is
in contact with the heater. You can also install one of the heaters that
install onto one of the coolant lines. They apparently work well and also
circulate the warm coolant through out the engine. Another option is to
use a heating pad that glues to the bottom of the oil pan (and battery if
you like). They also work fine but can also coke the oil. There are tons
of options but I prefer the ones that install into the coolant passage.
These also work fine for gasoline engines, tractor engines and so on. All
you need is the size of the freeze plug to get the correct size heater.

good luck,
mark



2002 Toyota Tacoma, not diesel.