"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 1/22/2007 5:39 PM, RCE wrote:
For those interested, here's some pictures of the Cobra in discussion.

(Have to make more room in the garage ..... I wish ... LOL)

http://www.eisboch.com/5MCobra

Eisboch


I had a friend in Kansas City in the 1960s who had a full-dress Cobra. He
let me drive it a couple of times during practice sessions on airport SCCA
circuits in Oklahoma and Arkansas. It was a real sports car, uncluttered
by the overdone-ness of today's corvettes and mustangs. It was also a
bitch to get around short, tight courses.


There are a lot of kits and replicas floating around now-a-days. The real
Cobras are rare.
If I were inclined ... which I am not .... I think I'd prefer a newer Ford
GT. They stopped making them last year, I think, but can be found for
$150-$200K. The guy that bought one of our Florida houses bought one and
it is quite the machine.

The 427ci side oilers in the Cobras are monsters but they are not very good
as street engines.

Eisboch

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:59:27 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

The 427ci side oilers in the Cobras are monsters but they are not very good
as street engines.

Not enough low end torque, or some other issue?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 1/22/2007 5:39 PM, RCE wrote:
For those interested, here's some pictures of the Cobra in discussion.

(Have to make more room in the garage ..... I wish ... LOL)

http://www.eisboch.com/5MCobra

Eisboch


I had a friend in Kansas City in the 1960s who had a full-dress Cobra. He
let me drive it a couple of times during practice sessions on airport SCCA
circuits in Oklahoma and Arkansas. It was a real sports car, uncluttered
by the overdone-ness of today's corvettes and mustangs. It was also a
bitch to get around short, tight courses.

There were ill handling dragsters. I could go around a corner side by side
with most 289 Cid Cobras but when we hit the straightaway was like a fueler
dragster compared to my Vette. We gave away about 1200# weight. Was a 1950
suspension design AC Bristol with a bigger motor.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Shelby was going to put a Chevy in the Cobra originally. But Ford would
sell him 500 motors on consignment. Iacocca's memoirs tell the story of
going to see Shelby, a former F1 world champion and thinking the motors are
all at a big factory and finds out he is storing the motors in a rented
garage at a house in a middle class neighborhood.

"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

Because the weighed about 1200# less than a corvette was allowed to weight
for racing. Duntov designed and built the Grandsports, but never made the
street as GM was getting government pressure about the racing aspects. The
GS's killed the Cobra. But not allowing Duntov to make and sell enough for
street use, they were never homologated for production racing.

said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

Oh, and 800 HP....LMAO!!!!.....you guys believe EVERYTHING you read? If
so, I got a bridge for you to buy. Shelby probably got a wrinkled
hard-on dreaming that up.
Most of these HP claims you read in mags are under perfect conditions
on a dyno....wouldnt be the same on the street. Everyone thinks these
quotes are gospel.They arent.
The problem with the Ford 427 side-oilers was their unusual cam and
timing chain set up. Connie Kalitta campaigned one in the Bounty Hunter
F/E Dragster, but gave up on it.The rail is on loan in Big Daddys
Museum in Ocala Fla.

S.


Calif Bill wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

Because the weighed about 1200# less than a corvette was allowed to weight
for racing. Duntov designed and built the Grandsports, but never made the
street as GM was getting government pressure about the racing aspects. The
GS's killed the Cobra. But not allowing Duntov to make and sell enough for
street use, they were never homologated for production racing.

Corsair23 wrote:
said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

Evidently, you're thinking of a 6-71 "blower". and you never heard of
Paxton superchargers, which you can run duals. But no, you probably
never heard of that let alone thought of it.

Oh, and 800 HP....LMAO!!!!.....you guys believe EVERYTHING you read?

800 streetable hp in 1966 was pretty good. and it didn't have to be
"perfect dyno conditions.

A lot of the 426 hemi's were pumping out over 600 hp fromt he factory,
and had to be rated at 425 hp so they could qualify under federal
regulations for licensed production. Federal law said no street
licensing at that time could be over 450 hp , so chrysler parked it at
a neat 425. of course they never said what RPM that rating was (idle?)



Most of these HP claims you read in mags are under perfect conditions
on a dyno....wouldnt be the same on the street. Everyone thinks these
quotes are gospel.They arent.

OK, then whats the truth? you should know....


The problem with the Ford 427 side-oilers was their unusual cam and
timing chain set up.

Er...maybe.

Connie Kalitta campaigned one in the Bounty Hunter
F/E Dragster, but gave up on it.The rail is on loan in Big Daddys
Museum in Ocala Fla.

S.

ok

Around 1/22/2007 8:55 PM, Corsair23 wrote:

said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...

Whaddya think this is, Mad Max?
Same way you put two (or three) carbs on one intake manifold, or put
twin turbos on one intake manifold. Like so: http://www.eisboch.com/C3.jpg


if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

It's also very, _very_ well documented history. Check with www.saac.com
if you don't believe anyone here.


Here's a taste of that history, for those who are interested in the lone
surviving Super Snake:
http://www.wurthitdesigns.com/cobrastory.htm
http://www.wurthitdesigns.com/cobrastory.htm


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"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:59:27 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

The 427ci side oilers in the Cobras are monsters but they are not very
good
as street engines.

Not enough low end torque, or some other issue?


From talking to people that have 'em (the tamer, non-supercharged 425HP,
2-4V versions) they are rough at low RPM, don't like to idle, and foul plugs
on a regular basis unless wound up to high RPM. I met a guy with a kit
Cobra (replica) at a car meet that had installed a 427 in it. He was
complaining that he had to pull and clean the plugs just about every time he
took it out.

A few years ago I almost bought a '64 "R" code Galaxie 500. I passed on it
when I discovered that although in mint shape it would be a garage queen. I
enjoy cars that you can drive.

Eisboch