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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:56:05 GMT, "RG" wrote:


I don't have a Nikon EULA handy - have you heard anything about that
or is it bull****?

1. I have no idea what an EULA is.

2. If you look at the statement that you are reciting at its face, there
is
no way it could be taken seriously. Look at all the professional
photographers that shoot with Nikon digital gear. Do you think, even for
a
moment, that they would allow the intellectual rights to their work be
compromised in any way? I don't think so. The pro community is and
always
has been Nikon's bread and butter. I really don't think Nikon would be so
stupid as to try and **** where it eats. Maybe Snopes has the answer you
seek, but I don't give the issue enough credibility to warrant spending
any
of my time checking it out.

Just wondering. EULA is End Users License Agreement and it's part of
the standard license for electronic stuff.



I suspect the claim (which is bogus in my opinion) relates to the software
used in the cameras.
Most software is "licensed" to the end user for use but remains the
intellectual property of the manufacturer. I use MS Excel, but I don't
think Microsoft can claim a spreadsheet that I generated is "their"
property.

Or can they?

Eisboch

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..

Oh, isn't it beautiful?

I spent a lot of time out there when I was in the service and we've
been back there several times over the past 20 years. One of my squad
mates was Navajo. We spent a lot of time hiking around, hunting and
just generally having a blast.

The country is beautiful. Met some wonderful people too.

It is beautiful beyond words. Since you have an interest in photography and
the Navajo as well, I would direct you to Amazon or any other retailer of
books. Do a search on Barry Goldwater as author. Barry was a master of
photography, and the Hopi and Navajo were two of his most favorite subjects.
Barry developed a very close bond with the people on the reservation. He
would fly supplies and medicine to them in his private plane. He took many
back country trips with Navajo guides into areas deemed sacred by the
Navajo. Once, he actually spent the night on the span of Rainbow Bridge,
something I don't believe any other white man has done. He was so trusted
by the Indians, almost to the point of reverence, that he was given access
to virtually every aspect of their life. If you love photography and
southwestern native culture, nobody has brought them together with technical
skill and profound empathy quite like Barry Goldwater.

A subscription to Arizona Highways Magazine is also an inexpensive and
enjoyable way to get a monthly fix for your Navajoland jones.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:10:02 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:24:24 GMT, "RG" wrote:

As odd as this sounds, Navaho on my mother's side (two back) and
Cherokee (four back) on my father's side.
I believe Navajo is the preferred spelling, although your version is
sometimes found in English writings.
Um...actually, either is acceptable because the actual name in
Navaj(h)o is something like Dine' - I'm not in lecture mode at the
moment. There are also others, one which is historically inaccurate
as the Dine' aren't an offshoot tribe of the Apache.

Anyway doesn't matter. Either is acceptable and in fact, as it
happens, my spell checker has either listed which is why it didn't
catch it in the first place.

And speaking of Nikon cameras, I heard something interesting this
afternoon about digital Nikons - in their EULA, there is a clause that
states that all images taken with one of the digital cameras are the
intellectual property of Nikon.

I don't have a Nikon EULA handy - have you heard anything about that
or is it bull****?
it is bull****

The person I was talking to isn't used to spreading bull puckey - he's
pretty sharp and wouldn't have said anything unless he had a
suspicion.

Can you define it a little more?
Nikon cameras are used by professional all over the world. If all
images were the intellectual property of Nikon, no pro would use one.

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:46:06 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:13:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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A mongrel political state is doomed to perpetual disorder.

Max

Tell me about the first of your ancestors who came here. Where were they
from? What countries?

I have direct Native American ancestors on both sides of my family,
one within two generations. Which legally allows me to claim Native
American status.

So with that in mind...

EVERYBODY GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!!!

Is that your Casino up thar on the hill? What will become of it when we
all
leave for happier hunting grounds.

Who cares.

GET THE HELL OUT!!! :)

And you can return to Mongolia and leave the country to the Buffalo.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Show me that concrete mix design that has 2500# of Portland cement
in
it, and weighs better than two tons, and we'll go from there.
ps When I said Portland Cement weighed approx. 2500 lbs, I was
referring
to Portland Cement, I never said or hinted that one would put 2500 lbs
of Portland Cement into a yard of concrete mix.

Have you looked over your concrete mixes to see that it is very common
for a yard of concrete to weigh approx. 4000 lbs?

One would not expect a PE to make sure a mistake.

No, it is not. Need proof? And if I show proof, will you admit your
mistakes? And where is that 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard
used? Please show some criteria for your two tons, and your 2500 pounds
of Portland.


I tried to be helpful and show you many links showing you the exact
weight of concrete, and the exact weight of Portland Cement, you prefer
to ignore them. I didn't want you to continue with your silliness, but
I should have known better. The question wasn't "is all concrete 4000
lbs per year", because there are light weight concrete mixes that weigh
less, but as Bill said, concrete can and does weigh approx. 4000 lbs.
The fact that you fail to see this, does understand why you are not
employed.

No, you are wrong. Bill actually said that concrete weighs 5000#.
Please show what facts you have that I am not employed, first. Now,
where WERE those links that you shown that states that there is 2500#
of Portland cement in a yard of concrete? You DO know, seeing how you
are acting the expert here, that in reality, there's somewhere around 5
bags @ 94 pounds in a typical 3,000 psi mix, for a total of 470# don't
you? So, I'd really, really like to see this mix design that uses
2500#, because with a water/cement ratio of .53 maximum, you'd have
approx. 1,325 pounds of water. But you know this, right? Now, here's
the thing. a yard of concrete is an AREA. This 2500# of cement takes
approx. 12.72 cubic feet of area. The water that we need per ACI 307
would take an area of approx. 20.64 cubic feet, for a total of 33.36
cubic feet. You're now at more than a yard before you add in the
largest volumes, which are the coarse and fine aggregates, with proper
gradation of course. So, for an F'c of 3000 psi, the aggregate total is
going to be close to approx. 10 or 12 times the amount of concrete. So
now you have a "yard" of concrete that is 400 or so cubic feet! So, I'm
really confused. Please show me where you are correct, and I am wrong.
Now remember something about that 4,000 pounds you are referring to.
There is a factor of safety involved for that number. A cubic foot of
normal weight concrete doesn't weigh 150 pounds, although that number
is thrown around alot. The actual weight of normal weight concrete is
around 125 pounds per cubic foot, or 3375 a yard. If you'll look at ACI
guidelines you'll even see that there criteria uses 125# per cubic foot
dead load for elevated slabs! And even THAT has a factor of safety.


So I made an error of saying concrete weight is 5000# per yard. That is
what the guy told me when I picked up a yard of Concrete in a u haul it
trailer. So 4000# of concrete and 1000# of trailer. I am an electrical
engineer. What my degree is in, while you claim to be a PE structural
engineer and claim that concrete weighs less than 3000#. Major faux paux!
I really doubt you are a pe or an engineering graduate now.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 17 Jan 2007 08:59:54 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Tom Francis wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:13:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...


A mongrel political state is doomed to perpetual disorder.

Max
Tell me about the first of your ancestors who came here. Where
were they
from? What countries?
I have direct Native American ancestors on both sides of my
family,
one within two generations. Which legally allows me to claim
Native
American status.

So with that in mind...

EVERYBODY GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!!!
So you're 100% Native American?
Didn't say that - I said legally claim Native American as my ethnic
choice. I suppose, although I've never looked into it, that I could
also claim Hispanic also as one of the Grandmothers is Mexican.

Are you really saying that if anyone states that they have any Native
American blood in them at all, that they can claim that status? Where
ARE we going to put those millions upon millions of casinos?

And where did those Native Americans come from?
Mars.
Typical.......

lol, the Indian casinos can only be placed on Indian reservations.
Even
if you are 100% Native American, you can not open a casino off of the
reservation. Do you try to be so humorous or does it just come
naturally.

Show me that concrete mix design that has 2500# of Portland cement in
it, and weighs better than two tons, and we'll go from there......

Now, that's why I asked where are we going to put those casinos. There
is only so much reservation land. And I'm sure that all of us that have
any tiny bit of Native American blood in us would like to open one up!
I sure would! I guess, seeing how I have just a trace of N.A. blood in
me, I'll go to Cherokee, NC and join that nation.

LOL,
The Cherokee Nation owns the reservation and they run the casino, it is
not up to each Native American to deciede if he wants to open a casino.

Have you still not figured that a yard of concrete can weigh over
4000lbs?

I know the FACTS about concrete. Do you need me to cut and paste some
mix designs for you to prove that a yard of concrete almost never
weighs two tons? Now, what about that 2500# of Portland cement in a
yard of concrete? Please provide some data to show this.

Now, as part OF the Cherokee nation, each individual has a say in it's
enterprises. But, you are forgetting the gist of the message here. Just
because someone has any little tiny bit of N.A. blood in them, doesn't
make them instantly able to be a part of such.



Read it again. He said Portland Cement weighs 2500# a yard. And to be
considered a Native American for a lot of fishing rights you have to be
1/32. To be in on a casino you have be a member of the tribe. There have
been some real battles where part of a tribe decertified another part.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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So, anybody who hopes to claim to go *way back* (!) in North America
would more than likely look a lot like this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/kennewick.html


I've met Shortwave. Striking resemblance.

Eisboch


Kennewick man is an extreme controversy! Does not match the characteristics
of early Native Americans, who mostly are Mongol background. The NA's will
not allow testing of the bones background.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 17 Jan 2007 08:59:54 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Tom Francis wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:13:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
...


A mongrel political state is doomed to perpetual disorder.

Max
Tell me about the first of your ancestors who came here. Where
were they
from? What countries?
I have direct Native American ancestors on both sides of my
family,
one within two generations. Which legally allows me to claim
Native
American status.

So with that in mind...

EVERYBODY GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!!!
So you're 100% Native American?
Didn't say that - I said legally claim Native American as my ethnic
choice. I suppose, although I've never looked into it, that I could
also claim Hispanic also as one of the Grandmothers is Mexican.

Are you really saying that if anyone states that they have any Native
American blood in them at all, that they can claim that status? Where
ARE we going to put those millions upon millions of casinos?

And where did those Native Americans come from?
Mars.
Typical.......

lol, the Indian casinos can only be placed on Indian reservations.
Even
if you are 100% Native American, you can not open a casino off of the
reservation. Do you try to be so humorous or does it just come
naturally.
Show me that concrete mix design that has 2500# of Portland cement in
it, and weighs better than two tons, and we'll go from there......

Now, that's why I asked where are we going to put those casinos. There
is only so much reservation land. And I'm sure that all of us that have
any tiny bit of Native American blood in us would like to open one up!
I sure would! I guess, seeing how I have just a trace of N.A. blood in
me, I'll go to Cherokee, NC and join that nation.

LOL,
The Cherokee Nation owns the reservation and they run the casino, it is
not up to each Native American to deciede if he wants to open a casino.

Have you still not figured that a yard of concrete can weigh over
4000lbs?
I know the FACTS about concrete. Do you need me to cut and paste some
mix designs for you to prove that a yard of concrete almost never
weighs two tons? Now, what about that 2500# of Portland cement in a
yard of concrete? Please provide some data to show this.

Now, as part OF the Cherokee nation, each individual has a say in it's
enterprises. But, you are forgetting the gist of the message here. Just
because someone has any little tiny bit of N.A. blood in them, doesn't
make them instantly able to be a part of such.



Read it again. He said Portland Cement weighs 2500# a yard. And to be
considered a Native American for a lot of fishing rights you have to be
1/32. To be in on a casino you have be a member of the tribe. There have
been some real battles where part of a tribe decertified another part.


I really do not believe he can read or understand English.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Show me that concrete mix design that has 2500# of Portland cement in
it, and weighs better than two tons, and we'll go from there.
ps When I said Portland Cement weighed approx. 2500 lbs, I was referring
to Portland Cement, I never said or hinted that one would put 2500 lbs
of Portland Cement into a yard of concrete mix.

Have you looked over your concrete mixes to see that it is very common
for a yard of concrete to weigh approx. 4000 lbs?

One would not expect a PE to make sure a mistake.
No, it is not. Need proof? And if I show proof, will you admit your
mistakes? And where is that 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard
used? Please show some criteria for your two tons, and your 2500 pounds
of Portland.

I tried to be helpful and show you many links showing you the exact
weight of concrete, and the exact weight of Portland Cement, you prefer
to ignore them. I didn't want you to continue with your silliness, but
I should have known better. The question wasn't "is all concrete 4000
lbs per year", because there are light weight concrete mixes that weigh
less, but as Bill said, concrete can and does weigh approx. 4000 lbs.
The fact that you fail to see this, does understand why you are not
employed.

No, you are wrong. Bill actually said that concrete weighs 5000#.
Please show what facts you have that I am not employed, first. Now,
where WERE those links that you shown that states that there is 2500#
of Portland cement in a yard of concrete? You DO know, seeing how you
are acting the expert here, that in reality, there's somewhere around 5
bags @ 94 pounds in a typical 3,000 psi mix, for a total of 470# don't
you? So, I'd really, really like to see this mix design that uses
2500#, because with a water/cement ratio of .53 maximum, you'd have
approx. 1,325 pounds of water. But you know this, right? Now, here's
the thing. a yard of concrete is an AREA. This 2500# of cement takes
approx. 12.72 cubic feet of area. The water that we need per ACI 307
would take an area of approx. 20.64 cubic feet, for a total of 33.36
cubic feet. You're now at more than a yard before you add in the
largest volumes, which are the coarse and fine aggregates, with proper
gradation of course. So, for an F'c of 3000 psi, the aggregate total is
going to be close to approx. 10 or 12 times the amount of concrete. So
now you have a "yard" of concrete that is 400 or so cubic feet! So, I'm
really confused. Please show me where you are correct, and I am wrong.
Now remember something about that 4,000 pounds you are referring to.
There is a factor of safety involved for that number. A cubic foot of
normal weight concrete doesn't weigh 150 pounds, although that number
is thrown around alot. The actual weight of normal weight concrete is
around 125 pounds per cubic foot, or 3375 a yard. If you'll look at ACI
guidelines you'll even see that there criteria uses 125# per cubic foot
dead load for elevated slabs! And even THAT has a factor of safety.


Do you understand English?

Yes, I do. So, show me how you can get 2500# of portland cement into a
yard of concrete using the criteria set forth by A.C.I. 307, A.C.I.
301, and A.C.I. 318. Do you also want me to post some design mixes here
showing that I'm right and you are wrong about the weight of concrete?
Also, do you want to show me how you get 150# per cubic foot, when,
following guidlines by ANY applicable code in the U.S., and ACI, and
even Factory Mutual, you only need to design a structure to resist 125#
per cubic foot?

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Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Show me that concrete mix design that has 2500# of Portland cement
in
it, and weighs better than two tons, and we'll go from there.
ps When I said Portland Cement weighed approx. 2500 lbs, I was
referring
to Portland Cement, I never said or hinted that one would put 2500 lbs
of Portland Cement into a yard of concrete mix.

Have you looked over your concrete mixes to see that it is very common
for a yard of concrete to weigh approx. 4000 lbs?

One would not expect a PE to make sure a mistake.

No, it is not. Need proof? And if I show proof, will you admit your
mistakes? And where is that 2500 pounds of Portland cement per yard
used? Please show some criteria for your two tons, and your 2500 pounds
of Portland.


I tried to be helpful and show you many links showing you the exact
weight of concrete, and the exact weight of Portland Cement, you prefer
to ignore them. I didn't want you to continue with your silliness, but
I should have known better. The question wasn't "is all concrete 4000
lbs per year", because there are light weight concrete mixes that weigh
less, but as Bill said, concrete can and does weigh approx. 4000 lbs.
The fact that you fail to see this, does understand why you are not
employed.

No, you are wrong. Bill actually said that concrete weighs 5000#.
Please show what facts you have that I am not employed, first. Now,
where WERE those links that you shown that states that there is 2500#
of Portland cement in a yard of concrete? You DO know, seeing how you
are acting the expert here, that in reality, there's somewhere around 5
bags @ 94 pounds in a typical 3,000 psi mix, for a total of 470# don't
you? So, I'd really, really like to see this mix design that uses
2500#, because with a water/cement ratio of .53 maximum, you'd have
approx. 1,325 pounds of water. But you know this, right? Now, here's
the thing. a yard of concrete is an AREA. This 2500# of cement takes
approx. 12.72 cubic feet of area. The water that we need per ACI 307
would take an area of approx. 20.64 cubic feet, for a total of 33.36
cubic feet. You're now at more than a yard before you add in the
largest volumes, which are the coarse and fine aggregates, with proper
gradation of course. So, for an F'c of 3000 psi, the aggregate total is
going to be close to approx. 10 or 12 times the amount of concrete. So
now you have a "yard" of concrete that is 400 or so cubic feet! So, I'm
really confused. Please show me where you are correct, and I am wrong.
Now remember something about that 4,000 pounds you are referring to.
There is a factor of safety involved for that number. A cubic foot of
normal weight concrete doesn't weigh 150 pounds, although that number
is thrown around alot. The actual weight of normal weight concrete is
around 125 pounds per cubic foot, or 3375 a yard. If you'll look at ACI
guidelines you'll even see that there criteria uses 125# per cubic foot
dead load for elevated slabs! And even THAT has a factor of safety.


So I made an error of saying concrete weight is 5000# per yard. That is
what the guy told me when I picked up a yard of Concrete in a u haul it
trailer. So 4000# of concrete and 1000# of trailer. I am an electrical
engineer. What my degree is in, while you claim to be a PE structural
engineer and claim that concrete weighs less than 3000#. Major faux paux!
I really doubt you are a pe or an engineering graduate now.

Concrete DOES NOT weight 4000# a yard, your first ignorant statement of
the day.
I never said concrete weighs less than 3000#, your second stupid
statement of the day.
So, your last stupid sentence doesn't even count.

Please go back and read my statements above, and prove to me that I'm
wrong. On the other hand, I can post many, many concrete mix designs
that I've approved (or not approved for that matter) that will show you
that in most cases, normal weight concrete, with an F'c of 3000, or
4000 p.s.i. will come in at around 3400 pounds. ACI guidlines, as well
as any applicable building code in the U.S. as well as Factory Mutual
ALL allow 125# a cubic foot, or 3375# per yard as a design dead load.
WHY would ANYONE allow a non-reduceable dead load to be designed for
less than the weight of the material itself? Even the 125# includes
reinforcing and composite deck!

I'll be waiting for you to show me that part where I ever said that a
yard of concrete weighs less than #3k.