Jolly Roger Flag
 

hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

Jolly Roger Flag
 

wrote:
hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?


I haven't. Especially on an 18' runabout.

A friend of mine has a 26 ft. small cruiser with a tall radio antenna.
On the top of it he has tied on some chicks G-string bikini bottom.
When it gets ratty, he changes it out for another. Seems like a never
ending supply, and, maybe he's been lucky, but no flack from any gov't
authorities.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

wrote:
hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

The Jolly Roger is now considered a "private signal", not a pirate
signal.
Flying one from just about any boat won't get you into any trouble at
all with any sort of law enforcement suspecting you of being a pirate,
but it will tend to label you as a sort of boater who doesn't take the
activity seriously and *that* might, possibly, get you a closer look by
harbor patrol or the USCG. Experiened boaters will give you a wide
berth, not because they think you're a pirate but because if you're
going to do something as lubberly as fly skull and crossbones who know
what other goofball move you have in store.

And in fact, the skull and crossbones version of the "pirate flag" may
never have flown on any pirate ship before Errol Flynn started shooting
movies in Hollywood. The private signals of some of the more infamous
sea raiders (Blackbeard, etc) have been recorded by historians and they
have two things in common: Each is fairly unique to the ship or captain
that flew it, and none is exactly the skull and crossbones that we call
the Jolly Roger.
Darts, hourglasses, Satan, skeletons, etc were popular motifs. The dart
and the hourglass was intended to communicate, "time is running out,
surrender your ship and live or we will take it by force and you are
likely to die".

The term Jolly Roger is itself a corruption of the French term for
"Colorful or beautiful red banner". The last thing you wanted to see if
approached by a ship of seagoing thieves was the red banner hoisted
aloft; it meant that once battle was engaged there would be no quarter
given and that no prisoners would be taken; a fight to the death of one
side or the other.

Unless you want to look the serious fool, my opinion would be to pass
on the skull and crossbones.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus". "Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.
Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

The Jolly Roger is now considered a "private signal", not a pirate
signal.
Flying one from just about any boat won't get you into any trouble at
all with any sort of law enforcement suspecting you of being a pirate,
but it will tend to label you as a sort of boater who doesn't take the
activity seriously and *that* might, possibly, get you a closer look by
harbor patrol or the USCG. Experiened boaters will give you a wide
berth, not because they think you're a pirate but because if you're
going to do something as lubberly as fly skull and crossbones who know
what other goofball move you have in store.

And in fact, the skull and crossbones version of the "pirate flag" may
never have flown on any pirate ship before Errol Flynn started shooting
movies in Hollywood. The private signals of some of the more infamous
sea raiders (Blackbeard, etc) have been recorded by historians and they
have two things in common: Each is fairly unique to the ship or captain
that flew it, and none is exactly the skull and crossbones that we call
the Jolly Roger.
Darts, hourglasses, Satan, skeletons, etc were popular motifs. The dart
and the hourglass was intended to communicate, "time is running out,
surrender your ship and live or we will take it by force and you are
likely to die".

The term Jolly Roger is itself a corruption of the French term for
"Colorful or beautiful red banner". The last thing you wanted to see if
approached by a ship of seagoing thieves was the red banner hoisted
aloft; it meant that once battle was engaged there would be no quarter
given and that no prisoners would be taken; a fight to the death of one
side or the other.

Unless you want to look the serious fool, my opinion would be to pass
on the skull and crossbones.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Pillage, THEN burn.
JR


Frogwatch wrote:

Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus". "Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.
Chuck Gould wrote:

wrote:

hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

The Jolly Roger is now considered a "private signal", not a pirate
signal.
Flying one from just about any boat won't get you into any trouble at
all with any sort of law enforcement suspecting you of being a pirate,
but it will tend to label you as a sort of boater who doesn't take the
activity seriously and *that* might, possibly, get you a closer look by
harbor patrol or the USCG. Experiened boaters will give you a wide
berth, not because they think you're a pirate but because if you're
going to do something as lubberly as fly skull and crossbones who know
what other goofball move you have in store.

And in fact, the skull and crossbones version of the "pirate flag" may
never have flown on any pirate ship before Errol Flynn started shooting
movies in Hollywood. The private signals of some of the more infamous
sea raiders (Blackbeard, etc) have been recorded by historians and they
have two things in common: Each is fairly unique to the ship or captain
that flew it, and none is exactly the skull and crossbones that we call
the Jolly Roger.
Darts, hourglasses, Satan, skeletons, etc were popular motifs. The dart
and the hourglass was intended to communicate, "time is running out,
surrender your ship and live or we will take it by force and you are
likely to die".

The term Jolly Roger is itself a corruption of the French term for
"Colorful or beautiful red banner". The last thing you wanted to see if
approached by a ship of seagoing thieves was the red banner hoisted
aloft; it meant that once battle was engaged there would be no quarter
given and that no prisoners would be taken; a fight to the death of one
side or the other.

Unless you want to look the serious fool, my opinion would be to pass
on the skull and crossbones.




--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Frogwatch wrote:
Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus".

I agree up to a point on the captain's hat. There's nothing wrong, IMO,
with wearing a cap with a bill to shade the eyes from sunlight. I guess
this could be a Hooter's cap, a Yankees cap, or a cap splattered with
white paint and embroidered with the phrase "damn seagulls!"! I wear a
simple, black, "Greek fisherman's" hat that isn't the least bit ornate.
Now, make that a high white hat with a shiny black bill, a fouled
anchor on the crown and even the first suggestion of "scrambled eggs"
and I'd be agreeing with you whole heartedly.


"Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.


Burgees serve a very practical purpose, as they identify members of
various power squadrons and yacht clubs and convey some particular
privileges as a result. We've been in and out of clubs over the years,
but we're in again and will probably stay with the club we joined about
a year ago. My club dues are about $500 a year, but I easily saved that
last summer by taking advantage of free reciprocal moorage as we cruise
through our regional islands. You need to fly a burgee to get the
recip. My club also owns and leases some "outstation" properties where
members can stay free of charge, but once again members are required to
fly a burgee when doing so. A burgee also expresses a certain amount of
pride in belonging to a specific organization- not unlike an NRA or
Ducks Unlimited bumper sticker. When a person belongs to a very large
club or squadron, and particularly when a person is a new member, the
burgee helps to identify other members of the same organization and
that can be a good "ice breaker" in a strange port.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

I fly one to and from the Contraband days festival over in Lake
Charles, LA every year on my trip from Houston. I was flying it when a
Navy ship passed us... didn't seem to bother them. Matter of fact, I
imagine the bridge crew got a chuckle out of that. Same with the USCG
escort boats. We didn't get any more or less attention from them
either.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

"Tim" wrote in message

I haven't. Especially on an 18' runabout.

Well I guess you don't know me. I do just that. Considering I'm in a
business that relieves boaters of the contents of thier wallets, it's all
the more funny.


A friend of mine has a 26 ft. small cruiser with a tall radio antenna.
On the top of it he has tied on some chicks G-string bikini bottom.
When it gets ratty, he changes it out for another. Seems like a never
ending supply, and, maybe he's been lucky, but no flack from any gov't
authorities.

Authorities? I'd be more afraid of flak from my wife!

-W

Jolly Roger Flag
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:29:54 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 14 Jan 2007 17:50:27 -0800, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

Does that mean I have to quit flying my, "Surrender the Booty" flag?

Yep - it's not "proper" and you obviously aren't a serious boater
because serious boaters only fly flags that are recognized by yacht
clubs and pompous dorks.

ARRRRR, matey.....

Arrrrr - make Chuck walk the plank...
You asked for it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcT6M...elated&search=

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Chuck prefers stodgy moss growing, proper attire and decorum - no
humbuggery.

"Humbuggery?" Actually Tom, for this thread I think the better term
would be "Skullduggery"

Jolly Roger Flag
 

This helps to introduce the modern day pirate into the internet world.

http://static.flickr.com/29/44753311_a9270c41ac_o.jpg



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:29:54 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 14 Jan 2007 17:50:27 -0800, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

Does that mean I have to quit flying my, "Surrender the Booty" flag?

Yep - it's not "proper" and you obviously aren't a serious boater
because serious boaters only fly flags that are recognized by yacht
clubs and pompous dorks.

ARRRRR, matey.....

Arrrrr - make Chuck walk the plank...

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Clams Canino wrote:
A friend of mine has a 26 ft. small cruiser with a tall radio antenna.
On the top of it he has tied on some chicks G-string bikini bottom.
When it gets ratty, he changes it out for another. Seems like a never
ending supply, and, maybe he's been lucky, but no flack from any gov't
authorities.

Authorities? I'd be more afraid of flak from my wife!

-W

Use your wife's G-string.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Harry Krause wrote:
On 1/15/2007 7:05 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 15 Jan 2007 03:58:29 -0800, "Keith"
wrote:

I fly one to and from the Contraband days festival over in Lake
Charles, LA every year on my trip from Houston. I was flying it when a
Navy ship passed us... didn't seem to bother them. Matter of fact, I
imagine the bridge crew got a chuckle out of that. Same with the USCG
escort boats. We didn't get any more or less attention from them
either.

According to Chuck, you must be a lousy boater then - not serious
about it - you know, a "lubber" who doesn't take boating with the
proper reserve - like slow cruising to places nobody cares about in
the Pacific Northwest.

Chuck prefers stodgy moss growing, proper attire and decorum - no
humbuggery.



I've got an adaptation of the Jolly Roger on both sides of my Parker,
and call the boat "Yo Ho." Anyone who doesn't like it can wipe his butt
on his yacht club burgee.

You still own that boat? I hear it hasn't been wet in a long, long
time. When you finally find a buyer for it he will appreciate the low
hours.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 15 Jan 2007 03:58:29 -0800, "Keith"
wrote:

I fly one to and from the Contraband days festival over in Lake
Charles, LA every year on my trip from Houston. I was flying it when a
Navy ship passed us... didn't seem to bother them. Matter of fact, I
imagine the bridge crew got a chuckle out of that. Same with the USCG
escort boats. We didn't get any more or less attention from them
either.

According to Chuck, you must be a lousy boater then - not serious
about it - you know, a "lubber" who doesn't take boating with the
proper reserve - like slow cruising to places nobody cares about in
the Pacific Northwest.

Chuck prefers stodgy moss growing, proper attire and decorum - no
humbuggery.

Chuck, WayneB and maybe another one or two are 'professional boaters'...they
make their living on boats & the boating community.
They are not to be confused with lowly recreational boaters...

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 14 Jan 2007 19:36:32 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Unless you want to look the serious fool, my opinion would be to pass
on the skull and crossbones.

Your history is right - your opinion is silly and pretentious.

To fly a skull and crossbones is meaningless and fun - it supports the
fancy in us - the romance of the sea - the fun of pretending, just for
the moment, that the fantasy of "Pirates of the Caribbean" is the
reality and not the realism of fact.

To flat out state that a person flying a "Jolly Roger" isn't a serious
boater is a perfect example of being a pompous ass.

Damn man, loosen up.

A private signal is supposed to have some personal meaning. All I can
figure if a guy flys the skull and crossbone is that he and his crew
are pretending to hobble around on wooden legs, calling one another
"matey" and beginning every other sentence with "arrgh!"

If it's your opinion that "playing pirate" is consistent with being a
serious boater, you're entitled to it. If you're not playing pirate,
why flag a Hollywood pirate flag?

Sorry that I didn't bother responding to your personal attack(s) in
this thread with one of my own. Maybe I'm just too much the "pompous
ass" to get down in the mud with you, Tom.
I didn't intend to strike a nerve with anybody who cruises around with
the skull and crossbones hoisted- but you obviously assumed I was out
to insult you personally.

Damn man, loosen up.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Harry Krause wrote:

I've got an adaptation of the Jolly Roger on both sides of my Parker,
and call the boat "Yo Ho." Anyone who doesn't like it can wipe his butt
on his yacht club burgee.

You still trying to sell that thing?

I'm surprised that with the extremely low hours its still on the
market.

Maybe taking a heat gun to the skill and crossbones and peeling them
off would inspire more interest?

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:29:54 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 14 Jan 2007 17:50:27 -0800, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

hey folks -
As they say in the radio business - first time caller, long time
listener....
this is more of a light topic - but I was recently in one of the many
local marine store in my neighborhood for the first time - (there are
quite a few in Seattle).
We happened upon the section of the store that sells flags for your
boat, some serious, some not so... commodore flags, diver flags, and
even jolly roger flags.
My friend and I joked about getting one for my small 18' foot runabout
boat - but we were warned that flying such a flag regardless of size of
boat would garner unwanted attention from coast guard, police, and
fellow boaters. We heeded the warning, but thought it was odd to hear
such a thing in todays times.

Has anyone heard of such a scenario when people flew a jolly roger flag?

Does that mean I have to quit flying my, "Surrender the Booty" flag?

Yep - it's not "proper" and you obviously aren't a serious boater
because serious boaters only fly flags that are recognized by yacht
clubs and pompous dorks.

ARRRRR, matey.....

Arrrrr - make Chuck walk the plank...


I'll see if I can find a prosthetic clamp for that nose of yours, Tom.
You certainly have a major case of it being out of joint on this issue.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Keith wrote:
I fly one to and from the Contraband days festival over in Lake
Charles, LA every year on my trip from Houston. I was flying it when a
Navy ship passed us... didn't seem to bother them. Matter of fact, I
imagine the bridge crew got a chuckle out of that. Same with the USCG
escort boats. We didn't get any more or less attention from them
either.


People do all sorts of goofy thing in conjunction with festivals and
parades. That's different.
Around here we have "decorated boat parades" on Opening Day, and people
apply piles of cardboard, inflatable structures, etc to boats to create
every sort of effect imaginable.
One year, the boat that won first prize in the parade was dolled up to
look like a bordello with "soiled doves" waving from every window.

In a parade context that's one thing, but if one ran across a boat just
cruising around with cardboard facades to make it look like a
whorehouse we'd be having the same debate here.
Me on one side stating that such a person would likely be a frivolous
or inexperienced boater, and a few guys on the other side claiming that
whores have long been associated with the waterfront and martime
history and therefore are a fun aspect of recreational boating.

Adults are capable of disagreeing without resorting to personal
attacks. Thanks for the congenial nature of your remarks. :-)

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Don White wrote:


Chuck, WayneB and maybe another one or two are 'professional boaters'...they
make their living on boats & the boating community.
They are not to be confused with lowly recreational boaters...

....or with non-boaters who hang around simply to make nasty personal
remarks in hopes of stirring up some crap. Been a long time since you
mentioned catching a ride with your friend that owned a sailboat.
Didn't he put that up for sale? What are your boating plans for 2007?-
(After the water thaws out, of course).

Jolly Roger Flag
 

About the only thing I can think of that would attract the attention of
the USCG by one flying a "Jolly Rodger" is what may accompany the flag,
like... trying to mount a .50 cal Browning (Ma-Duce) on the bow, or
fiddling around with a LAWS rocket.

But still, I think the flag would become second order



Chuck Gould wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 14 Jan 2007 19:36:32 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Unless you want to look the serious fool, my opinion would be to pass
on the skull and crossbones.

Your history is right - your opinion is silly and pretentious.

To fly a skull and crossbones is meaningless and fun - it supports the
fancy in us - the romance of the sea - the fun of pretending, just for
the moment, that the fantasy of "Pirates of the Caribbean" is the
reality and not the realism of fact.

To flat out state that a person flying a "Jolly Roger" isn't a serious
boater is a perfect example of being a pompous ass.

Damn man, loosen up.

A private signal is supposed to have some personal meaning. All I can
figure if a guy flys the skull and crossbone is that he and his crew
are pretending to hobble around on wooden legs, calling one another
"matey" and beginning every other sentence with "arrgh!"

If it's your opinion that "playing pirate" is consistent with being a
serious boater, you're entitled to it. If you're not playing pirate,
why flag a Hollywood pirate flag?

Sorry that I didn't bother responding to your personal attack(s) in
this thread with one of my own. Maybe I'm just too much the "pompous
ass" to get down in the mud with you, Tom.
I didn't intend to strike a nerve with anybody who cruises around with
the skull and crossbones hoisted- but you obviously assumed I was out
to insult you personally.

Damn man, loosen up.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Jim wrote:

You asked for it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcT6M...elated&search=

The goofball in that video is even sillier than some guy with a skull
and crossbone flag. There's a time and a place for all of that noise
and regalia, but he failed to pick either.
I'm sure people give him a wide berth as well.

Highly skilled cameraperson, by the way. It's easy to see why somebody
would want to
put such fine footage up on the internet. Don't know which is worse,
the piping or the photography.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

Tim wrote:
About the only thing I can think of that would attract the attention of
the USCG by one flying a "Jolly Rodger" is what may accompany the flag,
like... trying to mount a .50 cal Browning (Ma-Duce) on the bow, or
fiddling around with a LAWS rocket.

But still, I think the flag would become second order


Consider this scenario.

You're assigned to a USCG safety patrol and responsible for boarding
recreational boats to inspect for compliance with safety regulations.
About the only way that your supervisor will be able to tell, for sure,
that you didn't spend the afternoon in a dockside watering hole will be
if you return with some citations and warnings written for various
infractions.

You put the glasses on three boats. The first looks pretty shipshape.
Fenders and lines are properly stowed, there's a USCG Auxiliary
inspection decal from just a year ago in the window, the national
ensign is properly displayed, and two kids visible on deck are both
wearing pfd's. The burgee flying from the jackstaff reminds you that
your commanding officer will be giving a speech at the particular
club's next general meeting.

The second is closer to, or maybe slightly below average. One fender is
hanging over the gunwale, the canvas cover on the dinghy is flapping
loose at a corner, nobody on deck is wearing a pfd, there are an
alarming number of people partying on the flybridge and you have to
wonder whether that brown bottle in the helmsman's fist contains root
beer or something stronger. There is a national ensign, properly
displayed.

The third is almost exactly like the second. But there is no ensign.
That's not a violation of course because nothing requires a boater to
fly the ensign. However, flying from a transom staff is a fresh out of
the dime store package "pirate flag" instead.

If you were hoping to write as many citations or warnings as possible,
which of these three
vessels would you choose to board? To me, the pirate flag would be a
tip off that the owner of the boat was taking an exceptionally
frivolous approach to the pastime. I'd start with the boat where all
the drunks thought they were pirates, but that's just my opinion. Your
mileage may vary.

Jolly Roger Flag
 

If there is a noise worse than that made by a beginning bagpipe player,
I've not heard it.

That reminds me of Sean Connery in the movie "The longest Day" Where
he and another "bloke" were experiencing heavy artillary and shell
fire, then some regiment somes marching through the streets with a
bagpipe honking away.

Connery stuffs paper or cotton in his ears, the two look at each other
in discust while listening to the pipes oveer scoreing the artillary
blasts.

Connery says: "Aw, listen to all that racket.... "It takes a true
Irishman to play the pipes"

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You put the glasses on three boats. The first looks pretty shipshape.
Fenders and lines are properly stowed, there's a USCG Auxiliary
inspection decal from just a year ago in the window, the national
ensign is properly displayed, and two kids visible on deck are both
wearing pfd's. The burgee flying from the jackstaff reminds you that
your commanding officer will be giving a speech at the particular
club's next general meeting.

Yes but what if the first boat were the one flying the Pirate flag? What if
a person makes sure their boat is in exellent shape gets it checked out
regularly and follows all safety regulations? Do you feel that the CG would
still choose to inspect them and write up a warning? The three boats are not
the same so the example does not really work. I see your point, it's like
driving down the street blasting "Cop Killer" and rolling a stop sign. The
cop is going to pull you over and harass you but I don't think that the Jolly
roger has quite the same effect.

One other question for a serious lng time boater (no insult or sarcasm
intended). If a person were to design thier own "pirate" flag and fly it as
part of a group of friends that all consider themselves to be sort of an
informal club, would you see that as being in poor taste or for non serious
boaters? You say that it is okay to fly a flag from your club but could the
"Jolly Roger" or any other pirate flag be considered the flag of a loosley
associated club of people that enjoy that aspect of boating and the idea that
they share in some beliefs as a pirate. If I design my own flag and a few of
my freinds, be they boaters or not, all fly the same one and identify with it
as a mark of our binding beliefs and freindship, then couldn't we be
considered a club and therfore hold just as much validity to our flag as any
more official boating club?

I'm really curious as to how you might feel about this.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


If there is a noise worse than that made by a beginning bagpipe player,
I've not heard it.

That's one positive thing about Chuck - noise.

Ok, that was offensive and I apologize.

But you have to admit, bagpipes are right up there on the scale of
annoying music.

Nothing sounds worse than a badly played bagpipe, or better than one in
the hands of a master. I don't anticipate playing in public until I get
my act together on the instrument, and at the rate I'm going that will
be 3-4 years from now. Still won't be a master, but I will be better
than the worst of the lot.

One of my other instruments is the accordion. Also considered pretty
"annoying" by a lot of folks.

Thanks for mentioning me in so many of your posts, Tom.

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scbafreak via BoatKB.com wrote:
You put the glasses on three boats. The first looks pretty shipshape.
Fenders and lines are properly stowed, there's a USCG Auxiliary
inspection decal from just a year ago in the window, the national
ensign is properly displayed, and two kids visible on deck are both
wearing pfd's. The burgee flying from the jackstaff reminds you that
your commanding officer will be giving a speech at the particular
club's next general meeting.

Yes but what if the first boat were the one flying the Pirate flag? What if
a person makes sure their boat is in exellent shape gets it checked out
regularly and follows all safety regulations? Do you feel that the CG would
still choose to inspect them and write up a warning? The three boats are not
the same so the example does not really work. I see your point, it's like
driving down the street blasting "Cop Killer" and rolling a stop sign. The
cop is going to pull you over and harass you but I don't think that the Jolly
roger has quite the same effect.


I've never seen a boat that meets the rest of the description flying a
skull and crossbones.
Doesn't mean there isn't one out there someplace, exceptions prove the
rule by virtue of the fact that they are exceptions.




One other question for a serious lng time boater (no insult or sarcasm
intended). If a person were to design thier own "pirate" flag and fly it as
part of a group of friends that all consider themselves to be sort of an
informal club, would you see that as being in poor taste or for non serious
boaters? You say that it is okay to fly a flag from your club but could the
"Jolly Roger" or any other pirate flag be considered the flag of a loosley
associated club of people that enjoy that aspect of boating and the idea that
they share in some beliefs as a pirate. If I design my own flag and a few of
my freinds, be they boaters or not, all fly the same one and identify with it
as a mark of our binding beliefs and freindship, then couldn't we be
considered a club and therfore hold just as much validity to our flag as any
more official boating club?

I'm really curious as to how you might feel about this.

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The skull and crossbone Hollywood pirate flag can be flown from any
vessel as a private signal. No problem. Nothing would prevent you from
forming a "Pirates of East Overshirt Yacht Club" and using the bogus
pirate flag as a club burgee- although traditionally burgees are
triangular to help differentiate them from ensigns, courtesy flags,
etc.

Unfortunately, the skull and crossbones carries a clear association
with rides at amusement parks and some really terrible movies. It's for
people who think its fun to play pirate. "Arrgh, matey." Mabye it's
appropriate for boaters who think it's all about mixing margaritas and
listening to Jimmy Buffet all the time as well. My opinion, as
expressed in this thread, is that most serious boaters would avoid
flying the skull and crossbone flag.

Your example of using the skull and crossbones as a club burgee would
be a poor choice in actual practice. Not because you were using a bogus
pirate flag, but because there would be other people on the water
interested in playing pirate and using the same signal.
You wouldn't be able to tell whether those people were part of your
club, or just dime store
pirates with tri-cornered hats, stuffed parrots, plastic swords, and
costume shop eye patches. :-)

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

Don White wrote:


Chuck, WayneB and maybe another one or two are 'professional
boaters'...they
make their living on boats & the boating community.
They are not to be confused with lowly recreational boaters...

...or with non-boaters who hang around simply to make nasty personal
remarks in hopes of stirring up some crap. Been a long time since you
mentioned catching a ride with your friend that owned a sailboat.
Didn't he put that up for sale? What are your boating plans for 2007?-
(After the water thaws out, of course).


Thanks for asking.
Although our skipper was interested in purchasing another sailboat (last one
I knew about was a Bristol 32) I told him I couldn't be counted on as a
regular crew.
I have invested a few bucks in a new galvanized combo (bunk & roller
trailer) and leased a new Ford Ranger to pull my boat.
This year, I plan to do a lot of sailing along our coast, on the Bras d'Or
Lakes and maybe a long tow up to Ontario to attend the 2007 Sandpiper 565
Rendezvous. My recent concern is deciding what depth sounder to install.
I'm leaning toward the 'in hull' type rather than the 'tru hull' model.

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You have to remember, Chuck is from the Pacific Northwest where
everything is gray and the highlight of the day is nightfall so they
don't have to watch the rain anymore.

You mean one of those places where the state floer is fungus?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
snip...
But you have to admit, bagpipes are right up there on the scale of
annoying music.

Whoa now! I've got at least a dozen cousins and their kids etc who play the
bagpipes.
Some in the military, including one who just returned from a posting in
England. Haven't seen him yet but the local newspaper reports that while
there he received a 'Member of Order of the British Empire' (MBE) for his
work. He had written a book on pipe music before he left.
http://www.royalnavypipers.com/RNPS_members_photos.htm (Major Allan
MacKenzie)
One of my cousins sons plays in a the band of a well known Celtic
entertainer.
When played right in a large band..there's no better music in the world.
Don't believe me...make your reservations ASAP..
http://www.nstattoo.ca/site/index.php

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I want a soul music band at my funeral. No steeenking bagpipes.


You wouldn't like our family funerals... at least the Cape Breton ones.
My cousins always make it home to play in the church and at the gravesite.
It's quite moving.
There's enough players to have an actual mini pipeband when weddings roll
around.

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"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...


If there is a noise worse than that made by a beginning bagpipe player,
I've not heard it.

That reminds me of Sean Connery in the movie "The longest Day" Where
he and another "bloke" were experiencing heavy artillary and shell
fire, then some regiment somes marching through the streets with a
bagpipe honking away.

Connery stuffs paper or cotton in his ears, the two look at each other
in discust while listening to the pipes oveer scoreing the artillary
blasts.

Connery says: "Aw, listen to all that racket.... "It takes a true
Irishman to play the pipes"


They either payed him a lot to say that or it's an in-joke.
I've read that he's a proud Scotsman.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Better music:


* George Fredric Handel
* Antonio Vivaldi
* Johann Sebastian Bach
* Joseph Haydn
* Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
* Ludwig Von Beethoven
* Franz Schubert
* Felix Mendelssohn
* Johannes Brahms
* Carl Maria Avon Weber
* Frederic Chopin
* Franz Lizt
* Richard Wagner
* Richard Strauss
* Antonin Dvorak
* Jan Sibelius
* Mikhail Glinka
* Peter Tchaikovsky
* Sergei Rachmaninoff
* Aaron Copland

The wife enjoys clasical music. I loaded 4 CDs worth on her new Ipod.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 1/15/2007 12:58 AM, Chuck Gould wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus".

I agree up to a point on the captain's hat. There's nothing wrong, IMO,
with wearing a cap with a bill to shade the eyes from sunlight. I guess
this could be a Hooter's cap, a Yankees cap, or a cap splattered with
white paint and embroidered with the phrase "damn seagulls!"! I wear a
simple, black, "Greek fisherman's" hat that isn't the least bit ornate.
Now, make that a high white hat with a shiny black bill, a fouled
anchor on the crown and even the first suggestion of "scrambled eggs"
and I'd be agreeing with you whole heartedly.


"Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.


Burgees serve a very practical purpose, as they identify members of
various power squadrons and yacht clubs and convey some particular
privileges as a result. We've been in and out of clubs over the years,
but we're in again and will probably stay with the club we joined about
a year ago. My club dues are about $500 a year, but I easily saved that
last summer by taking advantage of free reciprocal moorage as we cruise
through our regional islands. You need to fly a burgee to get the
recip. My club also owns and leases some "outstation" properties where
members can stay free of charge, but once again members are required to
fly a burgee when doing so. A burgee also expresses a certain amount of
pride in belonging to a specific organization- not unlike an NRA or
Ducks Unlimited bumper sticker. When a person belongs to a very large
club or squadron, and particularly when a person is a new member, the
burgee helps to identify other members of the same organization and
that can be a good "ice breaker" in a strange port.



You take yourself, "boating," and the "trappings" of "genteel boating"
entirely too seriously.

That's how they do it in Seattle.

A photo of how "serious" boaters dress while aboard their boats in the great
NW:

http://www.seattleyachtclub.org/Open...ayTrio2007.jpg

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A photo of how "serious" boaters dress while aboard their boats in the great
NW:

http://www.seattleyachtclub.org/Open...ayTrio2007.jpg

That's absolutely terrifying

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:50:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/15/2007 12:58 AM, Chuck Gould wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus".

I agree up to a point on the captain's hat. There's nothing wrong, IMO,
with wearing a cap with a bill to shade the eyes from sunlight. I guess
this could be a Hooter's cap, a Yankees cap, or a cap splattered with
white paint and embroidered with the phrase "damn seagulls!"! I wear a
simple, black, "Greek fisherman's" hat that isn't the least bit ornate.
Now, make that a high white hat with a shiny black bill, a fouled
anchor on the crown and even the first suggestion of "scrambled eggs"
and I'd be agreeing with you whole heartedly.


"Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.


Burgees serve a very practical purpose, as they identify members of
various power squadrons and yacht clubs and convey some particular
privileges as a result. We've been in and out of clubs over the years,
but we're in again and will probably stay with the club we joined about
a year ago. My club dues are about $500 a year, but I easily saved that
last summer by taking advantage of free reciprocal moorage as we cruise
through our regional islands. You need to fly a burgee to get the
recip. My club also owns and leases some "outstation" properties where
members can stay free of charge, but once again members are required to
fly a burgee when doing so. A burgee also expresses a certain amount of
pride in belonging to a specific organization- not unlike an NRA or
Ducks Unlimited bumper sticker. When a person belongs to a very large
club or squadron, and particularly when a person is a new member, the
burgee helps to identify other members of the same organization and
that can be a good "ice breaker" in a strange port.



You take yourself, "boating," and the "trappings" of "genteel boating"
entirely too seriously.

Harry, he boats! He doesn't just brag about his nonexistent stuff and call
names.
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:03:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/15/2007 1:13 PM, Chuck Gould wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

If there is a noise worse than that made by a beginning bagpipe player,
I've not heard it.
That's one positive thing about Chuck - noise.

Ok, that was offensive and I apologize.

But you have to admit, bagpipes are right up there on the scale of
annoying music.

Nothing sounds worse than a badly played bagpipe, or better than one in
the hands of a master.


Please. Even in the hands of a "master," the bagpipes produce sound only
a few steps above noise.

You've obviously not heard well played bagpipes.
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H

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JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:50:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/15/2007 12:58 AM, Chuck Gould wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
Hmm, I wouldnt fly one myself but why would a Jolly Roger make anybody
look any more foolish than some of the faux sailing stuff people do.
Every time I see someone wearing a captains hat I groan inside thinking
"What a doofus".

I agree up to a point on the captain's hat. There's nothing wrong, IMO,
with wearing a cap with a bill to shade the eyes from sunlight. I guess
this could be a Hooter's cap, a Yankees cap, or a cap splattered with
white paint and embroidered with the phrase "damn seagulls!"! I wear a
simple, black, "Greek fisherman's" hat that isn't the least bit ornate.
Now, make that a high white hat with a shiny black bill, a fouled
anchor on the crown and even the first suggestion of "scrambled eggs"
and I'd be agreeing with you whole heartedly.


"Burgees" put me in that mind too although I can
understand part of the reason for having them. Every time I see
someone trying to look "Yachtie" I want to burn and pillage.


Burgees serve a very practical purpose, as they identify members of
various power squadrons and yacht clubs and convey some particular
privileges as a result. We've been in and out of clubs over the years,
but we're in again and will probably stay with the club we joined about
a year ago. My club dues are about $500 a year, but I easily saved that
last summer by taking advantage of free reciprocal moorage as we cruise
through our regional islands. You need to fly a burgee to get the
recip. My club also owns and leases some "outstation" properties where
members can stay free of charge, but once again members are required to
fly a burgee when doing so. A burgee also expresses a certain amount of
pride in belonging to a specific organization- not unlike an NRA or
Ducks Unlimited bumper sticker. When a person belongs to a very large
club or squadron, and particularly when a person is a new member, the
burgee helps to identify other members of the same organization and
that can be a good "ice breaker" in a strange port.



You take yourself, "boating," and the "trappings" of "genteel boating"
entirely too seriously.

Harry, he boats! He doesn't just brag about his nonexistent stuff and call
names.
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***** Have a super day! *****
******************************************

John H

I have designed my own version of the Jolly Roger. Mine is one of
those alien heads superimposed on a stylized atom in place of the
crossed bones. I see people stare and can see em mouth "WTF". I also
go down the canal with my fenders down just because it drives people
crazy.

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JohnH wrote:

You've obviously not heard well played bagpipes.


There is such a thing???

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"Don White" wrote in message

Whoa now! I've got at least a dozen cousins and their kids etc who play
the bagpipes.


I'm sorry.

-W

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don White" wrote in message

Whoa now! I've got at least a dozen cousins and their kids etc who play
the bagpipes.


I'm sorry.

-W


Sorry??
I wonder if they can get me a front row seat for the 'Pipefest'?
Imagine one thousand pipers marching past you on July 08. Talk about heaven
on earth!
http://www.nstattoo.ca/site/index.ph...56&Itemi d=48