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Not boating but a great show.
Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic
show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote: Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Gives you something to whine about, which seems to be what you live for. Every post you make like this, there is always something, or someone that doesn't exactly fit your mold and you whine about it. |
Not boating but a great show.
I admit it,, I don't know the Jersey Boys. But ::: wouldn't a guy drunk,
grabbing some boob be appropriate behavior for a band with the theme :: New Jersey. Let's face it .. New Jersey does suck. =========== "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. |
Not boating but a great show.
Looks like you have a stalker on your tail, Bill. |
Not boating but a great show.
"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Gives you something to whine about, which seems to be what you live for. Every post you make like this, there is always something, or someone that doesn't exactly fit your mold and you whine about it. Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. |
Not boating but a great show.
"NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:xJtqh.2199$q32.492@trndny01... I admit it,, I don't know the Jersey Boys. But ::: wouldn't a guy drunk, grabbing some boob be appropriate behavior for a band with the theme :: New Jersey. Let's face it .. New Jersey does suck. =========== "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. Great musical based on Franki Valli and the 4 seasons. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. Well...gee! Why didn't you 'squeak up' and say something to him. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. Based on the video (medley) on http://www.jerseyboystour.com/ it looks like a good show. How many songs did they sing? How long is the show? BTW: Sorry to hear about the a-hole your wife had to sit next to. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. Well...gee! Why didn't you 'squeak up' and say something to him. I tried to be civil. May have made it worse. We are not like Canadians. We have social courtesies. Would have made it worse of all. |
Not boating but a great show.
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. Based on the video (medley) on http://www.jerseyboystour.com/ it looks like a good show. How many songs did they sing? How long is the show? BTW: Sorry to hear about the a-hole your wife had to sit next to. Show started at 8:00 and we got out at 10:30. About 36 songs. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! The show was great, all the songs we grew up with and a whole lot better than Abba and Mama Mia. Based on the video (medley) on http://www.jerseyboystour.com/ it looks like a good show. How many songs did they sing? How long is the show? BTW: Sorry to hear about the a-hole your wife had to sit next to. Show started at 8:00 and we got out at 10:30. About 36 songs. I did not know he had so many songs.. My favorites are "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" and "Rag Doll". |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. Well...gee! Why didn't you 'squeak up' and say something to him. I tried to be civil. May have made it worse. We are not like Canadians. We have social courtesies. Would have made it worse of all. If you acted half as bad there as you do here...he would have run screaming for mercy. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Well, that probably was more enjoyable than sitting next to you. Hee hee! That was probably the most sex she's seen in quite some time! |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Well, that probably was more enjoyable than sitting next to you. Hee hee! That was probably the most sex she's seen in quite some time! I see you are up Harry's arse again. I thought you said you were only doing boating posts. Lied again, Eh? |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. Well...gee! Why didn't you 'squeak up' and say something to him. I tried to be civil. May have made it worse. We are not like Canadians. We have social courtesies. Would have made it worse of all. If you acted half as bad there as you do here...he would have run screaming for mercy. Actually if I acted 10% as bad as you do here, I would be banned. But since I am socially acceptable as opposed to you, I am allowed out to nice places. You take SWBO to any place but a junior hockey game and Tim Horton's? |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Well, that probably was more enjoyable than sitting next to you. Hee hee! That was probably the most sex she's seen in quite some time! I see you are up Harry's arse again. I thought you said you were only doing boating posts. Lied again, Eh? This post must have been before Don went on his crusade to stop off topic posting. I am sure you won't see anymore post of Don doing his silly high five after each and every one of Harry's post. |
Not boating but a great show.
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Not boating but a great show.
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Well, that probably was more enjoyable than sitting next to you. Hee hee! That was probably the most sex she's seen in quite some time! I see you are up Harry's arse again. I thought you said you were only doing boating posts. Lied again, Eh? This post must have been before Don went on his crusade to stop off topic posting. I am sure you won't see anymore post of Don doing his silly high five after each and every one of Harry's post. I think it was afterward........typical for a socialist |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Actually if I acted 10% as bad as you do here, I would be banned. But since I am socially acceptable as opposed to you, I am allowed out to nice places. You take SWBO to any place but a junior hockey game and Tim Horton's? SWBO..?? Do you mean SWMBO?? I'm probably one of the few Canadians who isn't fussy about Tim Horton's coffee. (even though a local boy founded the chain with the hockey player) |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... I see you are up Harry's arse again. I thought you said you were *only doing boating posts*. Lied again, Eh? What the.....?? Somebody in this newsgroup must be givin' away crack cocaine! When did I ever make the statement that I was *only doing boating posts*? |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Actually if I acted 10% as bad as you do here, I would be banned. But since I am socially acceptable as opposed to you, I am allowed out to nice places. You take SWBO to any place but a junior hockey game and Tim Horton's? SWBO..?? Do you mean SWMBO?? I'm probably one of the few Canadians who isn't fussy about Tim Horton's coffee. (even though a local boy founded the chain with the hockey player) I actually like Tim Horton's. So I do a typo. So why dont you take SWMBO to something besides Jr. Hockey and Denny's? |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... I actually like Tim Horton's. So I do a typo. So why dont you take SWMBO to something besides Jr. Hockey and Denny's? Last week I took her to Michael Flattery's 'Lord of the Dance'. http://www.lordofthedance.com/ Haven't been to a Junior hockey game yet this year. Our Major Junior Team plays downtown in the Metro Center but we have a Jr. A team that plays in a rink one block from my house. Good, cheap, convient entertainment. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... I actually like Tim Horton's. So I do a typo. So why dont you take SWMBO to something besides Jr. Hockey and Denny's? Last week I took her to Michael Flattery's 'Lord of the Dance'. http://www.lordofthedance.com/ Haven't been to a Junior hockey game yet this year. Our Major Junior Team plays downtown in the Metro Center but we have a Jr. A team that plays in a rink one block from my house. Good, cheap, convient entertainment. Cheap guy, eh? |
Not boating but a great show.
Don White wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Actually if I acted 10% as bad as you do here, I would be banned. But since I am socially acceptable as opposed to you, I am allowed out to nice places. You take SWBO to any place but a junior hockey game and Tim Horton's? SWBO..?? Do you mean SWMBO?? Oakland, CA ghetto talk! |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: Took the wife to see Jersey Boys in San Francisco yesterday. Fantastic show. Only drawback was the dickweed that had the seats next to wife. Comes late, drunk SOB and grabbing the girlfriends boobs during show, and checking the phone for text messages. Should of made a scene at intermission! Gives you something to whine about, which seems to be what you live for. Every post you make like this, there is always something, or someone that doesn't exactly fit your mold and you whine about it. Yup, you are happy to pay a couple hundred dollars to sit next to a slob that messes up your experience. Not me. Quit stalking me while you are at it. Every single time you've posted here about an experience in public, you've always whined about someone not acting like you want them to. |
Not boating but a great show.
Harry Krause wrote:
Well, that probably was more enjoyable than sitting next to you. Figures. The guy who cries incessantly about "snarky" comments makes a snarky comment. -- Charlie |
Not boating but a great show.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. |
Not boating but a great show.
"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? |
Not boating but a great show.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2007 10:23 PM, Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? *Would you have karate chops the offending person*? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? Broadway was moved to the left coast? Calif Bill must be nippin' at the hard stuff again. example.. "Would you have karate chops the offending person" |
Not boating but a great show.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2007 10:23 PM, Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? Broadway was moved to the left coast? We always had Broadway in San Francisco. We also get "Broadway shows". |
Not boating but a great show.
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2007 10:23 PM, Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? *Would you have karate chops the offending person*? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? Broadway was moved to the left coast? Calif Bill must be nippin' at the hard stuff again. example.. "Would you have karate chops the offending person" Have your head up your ass still? |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. |
Not boating but a great show.
"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. Your opinion. Lots like to live here. There are bad areas of Oakland, and really nice areas of Oakand. Atlanta all nice areas? |
Not boating but a great show.
I must have that poster in the kill-bin. Bill, you and I both know, that the
ONLY people that dis the Bay Area, or CA in general, are the folks that either can't afford to come here, or couldn't cut it when they did. g Yup, my house with postage stamp back yard is worth almost One Million Dollars (most being equity at this point), I wonder what a house with 10 times my lot size is worth in hotlanta? Shhhh... let everyone think the Bay Area sucks... we really don't want anymore immigrants do we? :- --Mike "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. Your opinion. Lots like to live here. There are bad areas of Oakland, and really nice areas of Oakand. Atlanta all nice areas? |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message groups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message .earthlink.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. Your opinion. Lots like to live here. There are bad areas of Oakland, and really nice areas of Oakand. Atlanta all nice areas? Kevin's is trying to play the "world class city" because of the laser light show at stone mountain card again, but then what do you expect from someone who thinks schnapps is whiskey? He no doubt thinks fine dining is eating at the Varsity and serious boating is "tubin the hooch" |
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Mike wrote:
I must have that poster in the kill-bin. Bill, you and I both know, that the ONLY people that dis the Bay Area, or CA in general, are the folks that either can't afford to come here, or couldn't cut it when they did. g Yup, my house with postage stamp back yard is worth almost One Million Dollars (most being equity at this point), I wonder what a house with 10 times my lot size is worth in hotlanta? Shhhh... let everyone think the Bay Area sucks... we really don't want anymore immigrants do we? :- --Mike "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message groups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message egroups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message s.earthlink.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. Your opinion. Lots like to live here. There are bad areas of Oakland, and really nice areas of Oakand. Atlanta all nice areas? Kevin thinks Atlanta is world class because of it's laser light show at Stone Mountain. |
Not boating but a great show.
Animal05 wrote: He no doubt thinks fine dining is eating at the Varsity and serious boating is "tubin the hooch" Fat Matt's Rib Shack? |
Not boating but a great show.
Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... Cheap guy, eh? We of Scottish descent like to call it 'thrifty'. Cheap ******* is the Irish version. Why, because someone chooses to KEEP their money instead of trying to act better than others? Typical. And who was addressing you? Would you have karate chops the offending person? And why are you jealous of me? Just because I live in a nicer area, more access to top flight Broadway shows, salt water? I don't care for salt water. and I guess you've not heard, but Atlanta is the cultural center of the south. More broadway plays play here than in the bay area. I've lived there, Bill. It's a hole. Might as well give Oakland to the thug criminals. You have to drive for hours to get out of the rat race. People driving nice cars living in shacks because their seen more in their cars. Kids can't play outside of their back yards for fear of some whacko stealing them, homeless people sometimes seem to outnumber those who have homes, etc. Postage stamp size back yards, neighbor next to neighbor with the minimum setback distance, no trees. Your opinion. Lots like to live here. There are bad areas of Oakland, and really nice areas of Oakand. Atlanta all nice areas? Never said Atlanta was all nice areas. The population of Georgia is growing like wildfire, while people are LEAVING California. Ever wonder why that is? |
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