Tim wrote:
I'm understanding that you said you would wait to prove the scientist
wrong. the year 2040? I believe that is 34 years away.

Yup, dumber than a post! Thanks for proving my point!

According to your standards, the petty accusations you make does
nothing for your credibility.


basskisser wrote:
Tim wrote:
I'm understanding that you said you would wait to prove the scientist
wrong. the year 2040? I believe that is 34 years away.

Yup, dumber than a post! Thanks for proving my point!

Tim wrote:
According to your standards, the petty accusations you make does
nothing for your credibility.

Oh, but there not petty accusations! You've proven yourself to not know
what you are talking about here. Here, easy question. Do you REALLY
think that one would have to wait until 2040 to prove the scientist in
the article wrong or right? I mean REALLY?????

Well, 2040 is a few years away. and even the atricle is total
speculation. you shouldn't have looked at it like solid fact.

basskisser wrote:
Tim wrote:
According to your standards, the petty accusations you make does
nothing for your credibility.

Oh, but there not petty accusations! You've proven yourself to not know
what you are talking about here. Here, easy question. Do you REALLY
think that one would have to wait until 2040 to prove the scientist in
the article wrong or right? I mean REALLY?????

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I might also point out that this isn't the first time Arctic fields
have retreated - a little historical research on your part would find
that it might be part of a natural cycle stretching over hundreds of
years.

Maybe. According to Wikipedia - I know, it's the epitome of scientific
knowledge - we are currently living in an ice age that has lasted for
50 millions of years already. That is, we have large ice caps and
continental ice. In contrast, there have been long periods in Earth's
history where almost no perennial ice existed.

What is causing the current retreat of glaciers? It is very probable
that global warming is to a large part caused by greenhouse gases in
the athmosphere. How convincing is your evidence that the retreat is
not linked to global warming?

You should note that during the previous retreats, greenhouse gases
have likely been one contributing factor. Does this in turn prove that
you are incorrect, and the current retreat is ultimately caused by
greenhouse gases as well?

Risto

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Sam wrote:
"RG" wrote in message
news

"basskisser" wrote in message
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGE5MTQ211.DTL


Because somebody tried to cool their boat cabin with it?

LOL!

Simple people are easily amused! Here's what you should do, go and get
yourself a few of those very efficient machines. Report back on the
operating costs, okay?


You mean those machines where you put cold water in, blow ambient air across
it and get hot water out?

Efficient indeed!

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 08:21:43 -0800, "Varis" wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I might also point out that this isn't the first time Arctic fields
have retreated - a little historical research on your part would find
that it might be part of a natural cycle stretching over hundreds of
years.
Maybe. According to Wikipedia - I know, it's the epitome of scientific
knowledge - we are currently living in an ice age that has lasted for
50 millions of years already. That is, we have large ice caps and
continental ice. In contrast, there have been long periods in Earth's
history where almost no perennial ice existed.

What is causing the current retreat of glaciers? It is very probable
that global warming is to a large part caused by greenhouse gases in
the athmosphere. How convincing is your evidence that the retreat is
not linked to global warming?

You should note that during the previous retreats, greenhouse gases
have likely been one contributing factor. Does this in turn prove that
you are incorrect, and the current retreat is ultimately caused by
greenhouse gases as well?

Hmmm - let me see - the Bering/Western Asian land bridge was submerged
by the melting of the Arctic Ice Cap because the nomadic peoples of
Western Asia drove too many Hummers across to populate North America.

Yep - makes perfect sense to me - Al Gore was right.

And I don't use Widipedia for much at all - how silly of me.
Tom,
The global warming and cooling, including the 3 major ice ages were
caused by many factors, including changes in land mass caused by
tectonic plates, and the resulting changes in water currents, change in
the salinity of the water due to increases and decreases in the amount
of ice, increase of CO2 caused by natural means, and many others
reasons. All of this does not mean that our current global warming is
not being aggravated by an increase of C02 caused by burning hydrocarbons.

There are so many reasons why we should find ways to reduce pollution
and increase the efficiency of the energy we use, why do you think this
debate always focuses on an US vs THEM mentality?

right.

and no, I am not agreeing with you


basskisser wrote:
Tim wrote:
basskisser wrote:

When you said it.

right

Glad you agree!

Chuck Gould wrote:

In the final analysis; nobody with a motorized pleasure boat has any
license, at all, to seriously complain about the global consumption of
fossil fuel. (Sort of like Al Gore travelling around in a big SUV). A
true believer would need to sink his or her boat, junk out his or her
car (not just sell it, and transfer the problem to another person), and
take up walking, rowing, and bicycling instead.

Maybe he is demotivated by the thought that the million guys next to
him will not let go of their SUVs anyway? And... how do you know how
much gas _his_ boat consumes? :-)

Risto

Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Sam wrote:
"RG" wrote in message
news
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGE5MTQ211.DTL


Because somebody tried to cool their boat cabin with it?

LOL!

Simple people are easily amused! Here's what you should do, go and get
yourself a few of those very efficient machines. Report back on the
operating costs, okay?


You mean those machines where you put cold water in, blow ambient air across
it and get hot water out?

Efficient indeed!

Uh, where did I EVER say that? Are you having reading comprehension
problems?
I'd STILL like to know, however, how, if you are flowing equal amounts
of water at equal temps., how the ice chest will make it more effective.