Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time-


" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes warmer
than the ambient air.
I'll be waiting.

Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT?
Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've
stated.

Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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LOL!
The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of
thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to
"HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've
cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting.......

Of course I do, I never said it didn't.

Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here ya go-


" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any
noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up
in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks!



Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.

Again, thanks for agreeing with me. I at first thought that you didn't.

Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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LOL!
The Laws of Thermodynamics be damned! Basskisser says so.

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you cite the laws of
thermodynamics, you'd know that the water MUST warm up in order to
"HEAT EXCHANGE". How else would it cool the air? Now, since you've
cited the laws, SHOW ME. I'll be waiting.......

Of course I do, I never said it didn't.

Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here ya go-


" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any
noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

Oh, so above, you're admitting that I'm correct. The water MUST warm up
in order to "HEAT EXCHANGE". Thanks!



Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.

Oh, and your petty and childish name calling shows that you aren't
credible, and also that you don't know what you're talking about. If
you did, you could do so in a manner that would make one think that you
are actually able to carry on a decent conversation.

Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.




So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.

James Sweet wrote:


Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.




So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.

Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite
a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping
warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient
temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good.

basskisser wrote:
James Sweet wrote:


Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.




So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.


Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite
a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping
warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient
temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good.



The return (suction) line is quite a bit cooler than ambient. A properly
charged system will return a small amount of refrigerant to the
condensing unit in a liquid state to help cool the compressor. The
liquid line however will be warmer than ambient, this is because when
the refrigerant is compressed it will turn to a superheated gas which
then flows through the condenser where it is cooled by ambient air and
condenses to a liquid, no matter how efficient the condenser it will
still never be dropped quite down to ambient temperature, nothing is
ever 100% efficient. When it gets to the evaporator, it is metered in
though either a fixed orifice or (ideally) a thermostatic valve which
allows just the right amount into the evaporator so that it absorbs heat
and boils almost entirely away, leaving just enough liquid to cool the
compressor without wasting energy flooding the evaporator. I'm a
certified HVAC tech and have done quite a bit of work on domestic stuff
so I'm quite familiar with this. We're talking about two different
things here, a closed loop phase change refrigeration system is not the
same principal as a bucket of ice water.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Next, show me where anything I've stated in this thread goes against
the laws of thermodynamics. I'll be waiting for that, too. Unless you
want to admit you don't know what you're talking about. One of the
other.

Here it is again in case you missed it the first time-


" So, you do realize that that water, in order to cool with any
noticeable
amount, would be quite warm, usually warmer than the ambient air
temperature, don't you?"

So, please explain how the cold water in the heat exchanger becomes
warmer
than the ambient air.
I'll be waiting.

Uh, perhaps by EXCHANGE of HEAT?
Now, please show which law of thermodynamics I've broken by what I've
stated.


At least the first law- energy cannot be created or destroyed.

You stated that the water in the heat exchanger will become warmer than
ambient.
If this were true the heat exchanger would be working in excess of 100%
efficiency, thus creating energy.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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James Sweet wrote:


Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the
air?
Of course it does dimbulb.




So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.

Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite
a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping
warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient
temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good.


LOL!

You're a joke a minute.

Sam wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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James Sweet wrote:

Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool the
air?
Of course it does dimbulb.



So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.
Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite
a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping
warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient
temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good.


LOL!

You're a joke a minute.



Sam,
You are new here, it is best if you don't try to "win" an argument with
Bassy.

James Sweet wrote:

basskisser wrote:

James Sweet wrote:


Where did I ever say that the cold water didn't absorb heat to cool
the air?
Of course it does dimbulb.




So long as it has ice in it, the temperature will remain quite constant.
The energy is absorbed by the state change from solid to liquid water.
As soon as all the ice is gone, the temperature will start to rise
pretty quickly, but it will never go over ambient air temperature.



Go turn on your A/C for awhile, feel the return line. It will be quite
a bit warmer than ambient temperature. And again, if you are pumping
warm water back into the ice chest, let's just say AT ambient
temperature, the insulation of the chest will do no good.



The return (suction) line is quite a bit cooler than ambient. A properly
charged system will return a small amount of refrigerant to the
condensing unit in a liquid state to help cool the compressor. The
liquid line however will be warmer than ambient, this is because when
the refrigerant is compressed it will turn to a superheated gas which
then flows through the condenser where it is cooled by ambient air and
condenses to a liquid, no matter how efficient the condenser it will
still never be dropped quite down to ambient temperature, nothing is
ever 100% efficient. When it gets to the evaporator, it is metered in
though either a fixed orifice or (ideally) a thermostatic valve which
allows just the right amount into the evaporator so that it absorbs heat
and boils almost entirely away, leaving just enough liquid to cool the
compressor without wasting energy flooding the evaporator. I'm a
certified HVAC tech and have done quite a bit of work on domestic stuff
so I'm quite familiar with this. We're talking about two different
things here, a closed loop phase change refrigeration system is not the
same principal as a bucket of ice water.

Consider who you are responding to.......the "King of the NG idiots".

He is not the brightest bulb in the marquee........most likely form
drinking too much of that "schnapps whiskey"