Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.

Got ya, now! My tractor experience is from western NY, potato farms,
onion farms, beans, freakin' MILES of hay, and orchards, apple and
cherry. My uncle had a small size farm, and when growing up, I couldn't
wait until I got to drive that 4N! I'd ride on the fender, my older
brothers and cousins getting to drive it first. Then one day my uncle
said "pull the tractor around to the garage"! Then he taught me how to
plow (one furrow!), disc, etc. After a couple of years I didn't want
much to do with that tractor anymore! His father had a Minny Moline
that was older than hell, a step up from a horse! Had a hand clutch
that was either on or off!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Calif Bill wrote:

Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Pansy. We used D4's in the muck onion fields, twelve year old kids
driving them.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy.

International? or, McCormick-Deering?

basskisser wrote:
Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


http://inventors.about.com/od/bstart.../bulldozer.htm

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:26:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:57:16 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news
On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy.

I grew up with an old Allis Chalmers and a much older Farmall. The Farmall
was no fun to drive for a 10 year old!
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.